Vegan Death Cult

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

They are as much experts on soy as you are, except you have vested interests in this discussion being a cattle farmer.

:pac:

Thelonious your comments are little better than a busted record. Yes it is an area I have studied. And I even visited soy production facilities abroad. But no - you nothing of my occupation. And no I have no shares or financial interest in the soy industry. Happy?

To be fair Thelonious and considering your considerable record of hatchet jobbing agriculture and rural areas - it might be better for you to declare your 'vested interests'. Just a suggestion. No worries if you dont wish to.

Please do note I am on record of being against soy cultivation in the Amazon - whether that is for oil or for human or animal consumption

This is all from the cash flow section of the phd link you provided gozunda

For extruding / expelling process

In these three scales, soybean meal has the most remarkable effect on the net profit in all levels of price changes, followed by soybeans and then soybean oil. This indicates soybean meal plays an important role in the process, and is seen as the driving force for the extrusion expelling technique used in the industry

For Hexane Extraction -

For 86.61 million kg of annual soybean oil production, soybeans have the most significant effect on the net profit, followed by soybean meal and oil.

For EAEP

The effects of products on net profit change show insoluble fiber has the highest impact, followed by soybean hull and soybean oil; with the revenue from skim having the least effect on net profit change. This result indicates the main product, soybean oil, is not the main driving force of the whole process; and co-products provide more profits than main product.

Pretty much what Tar.Aldarion said

gozunda wrote: »

You mean join with you in our own looney green party who wish to reintroduce wolves and double the population? No thanks. Though I suppose one would possibly take care of the other

But you are correct. You never discuss anything. The ruin is your own I'm afraid.

I find it hard to discuss anything with you because you give me the creeps, bigtime.
For the record, I don't think wolves should be reintroduced.
See above from sbsquarepants. The link you provided says

"This result indicates the main product, soybean oil, is not the main driving force of the whole process; and co-products provide more profits than main product."

Do you dispute this? Why did you post the link if it contradicts what you're saying about soybean oil?

sbsquarepants wrote: »

This is all from the cash flow section of the phd link you provided gozunda

For extruding / expelling process

For Hexane Extraction -

For EAEP

Pretty much what Tar.Aldarion said

Nope it doesn't I'm afraid. And more importantly none of that impacts on the fact that soy beans are primarily grown for oil. And what gets left over is flogged as animal feed.

Look really no point in going further - quality references were asked for - you got them. I cant help if somec want to keep their heads firmly in the sand. Whatever Mathematical gymnastics are applied - it ain't going to change a single bean of that and none of that amounts to a hill of beans either

See what I did there.

gozunda wrote: »

I think you forgot to mention this little detail no?

Nearly all soybeans are processed for their oil. Soy processors (such as Cargill & ADM) take the raw soybeans and separate the oil from the meal. The oil may be refined for cooking and other edible uses, or sold for biodiesel production or industrial uses. The processors bake the high-protein fiber that is left after the oil is removed and sell it for animal feed.

https://ncsoy.org/media-resources/uses-of-soybeans/





All this describes is a process, i.e. that oil is extracted from most soybeans. It does not say that the oil is the most important part. And in a process, where something is divided into constituent parts, something will be removed and something else left behind. It's just phraseology - it does not mean that what is removed is the most valuable component. If that were the case, then in the process of making cheese, the whey is the most important part as that is removed and the curds are left behind.

I'm done trying to debate because there literally is no point.

gozunda wrote: »

No thats your foot

Read that quote again...

So it's not just me or the others who say that.
"soybean oil is regarded as the main product of oil extraction operations". Grand so!

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No, if you look a bit more closely you'll see it actually says the opposite of that. It says though soybean oil is regarded......it's actually not

You know well what it means, sure haven't you studied it:D

The fact you're still denying it says a lot to be honest.

i dont care for vegans , i eat meat, so what. My choice.

so how is this global brainwash agenda to turn ppl vegan getting so much traction everywhere, its ***king non stop! news, social media, advertisements etc, relentless.

i never gave a sh1te about ppl who did or didnt eat meat, same way other ppl who choose different lifestyles or whatever, do what you want.

That green party , dont even get me started, pure rage when i hear / see them.

Johanna Helpful Backstroke wrote: »

It says although people think of the oil as being the main product, actually more money is made by the co-products, so they are in fact the main reason for getting the oil. So basically soybean oil is a byproduct of animal feed production.

And wrong again, but hey dont be changing things - 'nothing to do what people 'think' - the quote read "soybean oil is regarded as the main product of oil extraction operations". 

What else oh yeah - Soy oil is the no 1 food grade oil on the world market. Demand is increasing year on year. If there was no demand then there would be oil extraction and all soy beans would be processed whole.

But hey let's be friends and not quibble - if theres some important facts which came out of this discussion then thats a good thing!

• Soy beans are physically processed for oil # 1 and animal feed # 2 in that order with animal feed (soy meal) being a left over of after the initial oil extraction process. (No oil equals no meal)

• The biggest grower/ producer globally of whole soy beans is the US

• Other countries growing soybeans include Brazil, India, Canada and Mexico etc

• China imports and consumes the bulk of the world's soy beans, soy oil and soy meal combined with the bulk of that those imports coming from South America and especially Brazil

• In the US - of the soy meal produced in the US 48 percent is fed to poultry, 26 percent to swine, 12 percent to beef cattle, 9 percent to dairy cattle, 3 percent is used in fish feed and about 2 percent in pet food.

I reckon maybe a good idea to update all those websites - now everyone has learned something new ...

Isaias Chubby Temper wrote: »

As nice as this inter-community schooling on soy is, can we not talk about the beauty and brevity of the point made by Mr Stabby Squirrel Eater, namely:

-Breast implants
(Mental illness)

Possibly.

As far as i'm concerned taking a perfectly good booby and stuffing it full of squidgy goo till it looks like a half football, is a crime against mother nature Isaias Chubby Temper......much like cutting down the rainforest to grow soy beans for gozundas cows to eat.:D

gozunda wrote: »

• Soy beans are physically processed for oil # 1 and animal feed # 2 in that order with animal feed (soy meal) being a left over of after the initial oil extraction process. (No oil equals no meal)

You are embarrassing yourself at this stage!