Vegan Death Cult

Paddygreen

Paddygreen wrote: »

I had tofu for my dinner with lentils and black bean sauce.. what died?

Your will to live?

emaherx

Paddygreen wrote: »

I had tofu for my dinner with lentils and black bean sauce.. what died?

Insects mostly, but quite likely other animals some by accident and many targeted as vermin.

PopePalpatine

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

I do have a question about the video from way back there at the start of the thread, before the Soy Age. Will removing it from my watch history erase all Youtube knowledge of it and if not, how long will the Youtube algorithm keep suggesting videos by the guy who needs to get a hobby?

Good luck trying to game the almighty Algorithm™.

Jokes aside, you can just select the "not interested" option under the video icon while you're browsing.

gozunda

IrishKev wrote:

Are you saying you disagree with the conclusions from that same paper? The line you've quoted doesn't really state any hard facts, it's more of an opening paragraph introduction than a statistical analysis.

Are you saying that you do not know what an abstract of a PhD is?

The line I quoted is the very section of the first paragraph of the abstract of that PhD

Now just in case you dont know what an PhD Abstract is - Herea the general idea

An abstract is a short summary at the beginning of the PhD that sums up the research, summarises the separate sections of the thesis and outlines the contribution. It is typically used by those wishing to get a broad understanding of a piece of research prior to reading the entire thesis.

Plus if you submit your PhD without your abstract - it will get fecked straight back at you.

I genuinley dont really care if you disagree with that summation or the fact that soy beans are primarily grown for oil.

That's your prerogative. No skin off my nose.

IrishKev

gozunda wrote: »

Are you saying that you do not know what an abstract of a PhD is?

The line I quoted is the very section of the first paragraph of the abstract of that PhD

Now just in case you dont know what an PhD Abstract is - Herea the general idea



Plus if you submit your PhD without your abstract - it will get fecked straight back at you.

I genuinley dont really care if you disagree with that summation or the fact that soy beans are primarily grown for oil.

That's your prerogative. No skin off my nose.

Stop moving the goalposts with definitions of parts of PhDs. It's so irrelevant, and pretty low down on that pyramid you posted a while back.

Your quote : "Soybeans are one of the main sources of oil crops around the world. Soybean oil is the most common product of soybean refinery. It is a resource of edible oil and has other food and industrial applications".

I don't disagree with that statement, soybean refinery means the extraction of the oil from the bean, and has nothing to do with the meal or its making. My point was the quote you're talking about is irrelevant, and doesn't prove or disprove anything.

IrishKev

emaherx wrote: »

It's actually impossible to murder an animal. The only way meat is murder is if you are into cannibalism.

Billions of sentient creatures die to produce plant based foods too, if you have eaten today some poor creatures have died in the production of that food.

For me at least, the line is drawn at the intention behind it. Accidentally stepping on an animal when out walking or while digging up spuds is unavoidable. Consuming meat isn't.

gozunda

IrishKev wrote: »

Stop moving the goalposts with definitions of parts of PhDs. It's so irrelevant, and pretty low down on that pyramid you posted a while back. ...

TLDR...

So the PhD is irrelevant and is 'pretty low' on the discussion pryamid? - grand so. Glad that's sorted

IrishKev

gozunda wrote: »

TLDR...

So the PhD is irrelevant and is 'pretty low' on the discussion pryamid? - grand so. Glad that's sorted

No need to twist my words thanks. I was clearly referring to the way you're moving the goalposts with irrelevant definitions.

gozunda

IrishKev wrote: »

For me at least, the line is drawn at the intention behind it. Accidentally stepping on an animal when out walking or while digging up spuds is unavoidable. Consuming meat isn't.

The killing / slaughter of animals during cultivation and harvesting is unfortunately all too common. However it cannot be deemed accidental as these impacts are well known. The intent is there to cultivate crops and harvest them. That intent translates to the fact that animals snd organisms will die - whether some people choose to acknowledge that or otherwise.

And yes in animal farming - animals also die. There at least killing is done in a controlled manner. Not so in cultivation and harvesting.

The following written by a vegan

Are animals killed in the process of farming vegan foods? Is it possible for a vegan to ensure that no animals were harmed in the production of their food without growing it themselves?

Charlie Knoles, Vegan with B. science in biology and agriculture.

A lot of animals are killed in all kinds of agriculture. I'll never forget the first time I saw a combine harvester go through an organic soybean field and kill all the animals that had made that field their home. Among the many animals that died that day were baby bunnies that were skinned by the blades and were then eaten alive by hawks.  The hawks followed the harvester through the field looking for an easy meal. I knew that the farmer had contracted his crop to an organic tofu company and that most of the people eating this food would be vegans and vegetarians. The irony of this situation was enough to stop me from going vegan for many years afterwards. I would frequently bring up this anecdote when I would argue with vegan friends. It still annoys me when my fellow vegans act as though their lifestyle is 100% cruelty free and that no animals die in the process of making their food. It speaks to an ignorance of the realities of farming and rural life.

 https://www.quora.com/Are-animals-killed-in-the-process-of-farming-vegan-foods-Is-it-possible-for-a-vegan-to-ensure-that-no-animals-were-harmed-in-the-production-of-their-food-without-growing-it-themselves?awc=15748_1579217693_131c73b5024638e319ee2d290837d0c8&uiv=6&txtv=8&source=awin&medium=ad&campaign=uad_mkt_en_acq_us_awin&set=awin&pub_id=78888

IrishKev

gozunda wrote: »

The killing / slaughter of animals during cultivation and harvesting is unfortunately all too common. However it cannot be deemed accidental as these impacts are well known. The intent is there to cultivate crops and harvest them. That intent translates to the fact that animals snd organisms will die - whether some people choose to acknowledge that or otherwise.

And yes in animal farming - animals also die. There at least killing is done in a controlled manner. Not so in cultivation and harvesting.

The following written by a vegan



 https://www.quora.com/Are-animals-killed-in-the-process-of-farming-vegan-foods-Is-it-possible-for-a-vegan-to-ensure-that-no-animals-were-harmed-in-the-production-of-their-food-without-growing-it-themselves?awc=15748_1579217693_131c73b5024638e319ee2d290837d0c8&uiv=6&txtv=8&source=awin&medium=ad&campaign=uad_mkt_en_acq_us_awin&set=awin&pub_id=78888

Again... The line is drawn at whether something is avoidable or unavoidable. Veganism is about removing cruelty from your lifestyle as far as is practical and possible.

Paddygreen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT4Kw3A0pHI

emaherx

IrishKev wrote: »

For me at least, the line is drawn at the intention behind it. Accidentally stepping on an animal when out walking or while digging up spuds is unavoidable. Consuming meat isn't.

What's accidental about insecticide and vermin control? Even organic growers have organic pesticides. It seems most don't want to acknowledge the importance of insect life.

I did not realise how popular "I went vegan - and this is what happened" videos are on you tube - made by people who had positive, negative, or no significant results from the experiment.

Even channels where most of their videos get 100k views will get 10 to 100 times that many views for such a video.

Anyway I discovered a channel I never heard of before and subscribed - so that was a win at least. But his "I went vegan - and this is what happened" video seemed to treat the subject the fairest while being quite funny in parts.

gozunda

IrishKev wrote: »

Again... The line is drawn at whether something is avoidable or unavoidable. Veganism is about removing cruelty from your lifestyle as far as is practical and possible.

Not having a go but again that idea ignores the fact any such diet will most certainly involve the death and destruction and suffering of many myriads of wild animals and organisms each and very year.

Deeming such as 'unavoidable' is simply using a get out of jail free card - where it is known that death, destruction and suffering is a given and is known about.

It would be similar to someone taking up driving and insisting that they only mow down people standing on the road when they believe its unavoidable as far as is practical and possible.
And that really doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

IrishKev

gozunda wrote: »

Not having a go but again that idea ignores the fact any such diet will most certainly involve the death and destruction and suffering of many myriads of wild animals and organisms each and very year.

Deeming such as 'unavoidable' is simply using a get out of jail free card - where it is known that death, destruction and suffering is a given and is known about.

It would be similar to someone taking up driving and insisting that they only mow down people standing on the road when they believe its unavoidable as far as is practical and possible.
And that really doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

What a ridiculous analogy. I've made my point and you're twisting it to suit yourself. I'm going to stop interacting with you now as it actually seems as if your trolling.

gozunda

IrishKev wrote: »

What a ridiculous analogy. I've made my point and you're twisting it to suit yourself. I'm going to stop interacting with you now as it actually seems as if your trolling.

It's not at all. It is notable that when you dont agree with something- you simply dismiss it as ridiculous or twisting or wtte. Thats fine If you do not wish to discuss

However not the only one to question that whole idea btw. The logic makes no sense tbh.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/pop-psych/201311/curious-case-vegan-moral-hypocrisy

Thelonious Monk

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/is-maize-replacing-wheat-and-barley-imports/

Some of the main regions where maize was imported into the Republic of Ireland from (January to November 2019):
Canada – 417,602t;
Ukraine – 410, 424t;
Brazil – 288,685t;
Northern Ireland – 88,215t;
France – 71,260t;
Great Britain – 40,584t;
Russia – 31,792t;
Germnay – 5,020t.

So we're destroying Brazilian rainforests etc to feed Irish animals. I wonder if the maize we import is a byproduct of maize oil?

emaherx

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/is-maize-replacing-wheat-and-barley-imports/

Some of the main regions where maize was imported into the Republic of Ireland from (January to November 2019):
Canada – 417,602t;
Ukraine – 410, 424t;
Brazil – 288,685t;
Northern Ireland – 88,215t;
France – 71,260t;
Great Britain – 40,584t;
Russia – 31,792t;
Germnay – 5,020t.

So we're destroying Brazilian rainforests etc to feed Irish animals. I wonder if the maize we import is a byproduct of maize oil?

Wonder no more

During the wet milling process the outer part of the kernel is removed and used to make animal feed.

The seed tip is removed to produce corn oil.