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wrangler · 10-01-2020 04:23PM

kk.man wrote: »

But every factory adhere strictly to 30 months 4 movements and 70 days. The Supermarkets are not singing off the same hymn sheet.

But nothing to do with Bord Bia

QA1 · 10-01-2020 09:17PM

wrangler wrote: »

But nothing to do with Bord Bia

Bord bia brought in 70 days rule

wrangler · 10-01-2020 09:23PM

QA1 wrote: »

Bord bia brought in 70 days rule

Doesn't have to be on the same farm for 70 days I think, just 70 days on QA farms which is fair enough

QA1 · 10-01-2020 10:08PM

Jjameson wrote: »

They didn’t. But regardless unless there’s an arrangement in place where the the seller of live cattle signs a declaration of treatment of anthelminthics or antibiotics how else can cattle be slaughtered in confidence.

10 to 15 years ago before being QA matters bord bia would not approve your farm if too high a % of your herd was not on your farm for 70 days FACT!!!
So in my eyes bord bia brought in and were policing 70 days
Rule not in place anymore
Imizol for redwater is over 200 days withdrawal if I buy animal Thursday no law stopping me factoring him today where you’re drugs now that not killing for withdrawal does not stand up
Factory like government promise you everything and put in as many stipulations as possible to give as little as possible Larry goes on media before Christmas to announce 5 cents more for bullocks no rise for heifers
5 CENTS 20 Euro’s a head at most 50 great cattle and your up 1000

I am joe and I am a alcoholic

wrangler · 10-01-2020 10:23PM

QA1 wrote: »

10 to 15 years ago before being QA matters bord bia would not approve your farm if too high a % of your herd was not on your farm for 70 days FACT!!!
So in my eyes bord bia brought in and were policing 70 days
Rule not in place anymore

If the animal isn't on your farm for as long as the maximum withdrawal period, you cannot guarantee that the meat is clean, so you cannot assure the quality....... Why call it quality assured then
We were QA since long before Bord Bia took it on and have never found it onerous. don't care whether it's worth it or not, it keep the records right for cross compliance

wrangler · 10-01-2020 10:27PM

QA1 wrote: »

10 to 15 years ago before being QA matters bord bia would not approve your farm if too high a % of your herd was not on your farm for 70 days FACT!!!
So in my eyes bord bia brought in and were policing 70 days
Rule not in place anymore
Imizol for redwater is over 200 days withdrawal if I buy animal Thursday no law stopping me factoring him today where you’re drugs now that not killing for withdrawal does not stand up
Factory like government promise you everything and put in as many stipulations as possible to give as little as possible Larry goes on media before Christmas to announce 5 cents more for bullocks no rise for heifers
5 CENTS 20 Euro’s a head at most 50 great cattle and your up 1000

I am joe and I am a alcoholic

Do you not think that meat is being tested, you do not want to be caught with anything in the meat.

QA1 · 10-01-2020 11:13PM

wrangler wrote: »

Do you not think that meat is being tested, you do not want to be caught with anything in the meat.

In QA from start here too no trouble with it
Someone said 70 days was for withdrawal there is withdrawal longer than 70 days just my point
I obey all withdrawal nothing to be caught with but if animals treated with imizol over 200 days withdrawal long time
And again for IFA man all withdrawal obey here
No problems with 70days 4 owners 30 months
How many cattle have 4 shifts when calf is born aim should be to be fat before 30 moths not many prime cattle sold in marts now so 70 days not that important anymore

11-01-2020 11:32AM

Talking to my agent and he tells me numbers have tightened massively with cattle being booked in and killed immediately. He also was of the opinion that the 5cent rise has kept many guys happy enough unfortunately and judging by the mart prices lately l don’t think he’s too far off the mark . Even the beef price tracker here died a death after that rise for a while . I’m not trying to start an argument but I do think he’s right about it taking very little to keep many of us quiet

Cavanjack · 11-01-2020 02:29PM

Bulls are up 15cent per kg since mid November and they have become less inclined to cut on the weights which leaves the lads over 450kg 25cent better off. This is at least €115 a head more than two months ago on a good continental bull.
Still far from happy and won’t be till we are above €4 which won’t happen for a long time.
An agent told me during the week that he was told to leave cattle behind him if the farmers wouldn’t deal. He reckoned they mightn’t rise much more or too quickly.
Then again he was an agent and knows I’ve cattle to move in a couple of weeks.

11-01-2020 02:58PM

Cavanjack wrote: »

Bulls are up 15cent per kg since mid November and they have become less inclined to cut on the weights which leaves the lads over 450kg 25cent better off. This is at least €115 a head more than two months ago on a good continental bull.
Still far from happy and won’t be till we are above €4 which won’t happen for a long time.
An agent told me during the week that he was told to leave cattle behind him if the farmers wouldn’t deal. He reckoned they mightn’t rise much more or too quickly.
Then again he was an agent and knows I’ve cattle to move in a couple of weeks.

They have orders that need to be filled so they can’t leave them all behind . If the meal merchant is to be believed then they’re are way less cattle been finished at the moment, so hopefully

tanko · 11-01-2020 03:00PM

Cavanjack wrote: »

Bulls are up 15cent per kg since mid November and they have become less inclined to cut on the weights which leaves the lads over 450kg 25cent better off. This is at least €115 a head more than two months ago on a good continental bull.
Still far from happy and won’t be till we are above €4 which won’t happen for a long time.
An agent told me during the week that he was told to leave cattle behind him if the farmers wouldn’t deal. He reckoned they mightn’t rise much more or too quickly.
Then again he was an agent and knows I’ve cattle to move in a couple of weeks.

I wouldn't believe a word of what that agent said. A farmer i know rang an agent about a price for cows, was given a price, farmer said no, agent said no chance of any more, farmer said that's grand and hung up. Ten minutes later agent rang back offering ten cents more.

11-01-2020 03:17PM

tanko wrote: »

I wouldn't believe a word of what that agent said. A farmer i know rang an agent about a price for cows, was given a price, farmer said no, agent said no chance of any more, farmer said that's grand and hung up. Ten minutes later agent rang back offering ten cents more.

Sounds like a guy I used to deal with . He arrived into my yard lately

looking for bulls and then told me they have loads of cattle

Bass Reeves · 11-01-2020 03:27PM

Rang an agent about getting away a single bullock Wednesday morning he was slaughtered Friday. Dropped him in at 10.30 pm had the result at 3 pm. Before Christmas you have to wait 10 days and if he was in after 9pm you would get no result until after 4pm.

The reason there is little on here about prices is lads are not finishing. It no longer worth you while to winter finish. Cattle finished over the winter will usually have to be replaced with expensive stores in spring..

Every time they have a surplus if you have out of spec cattle they f@@k you over

Robson99 · 12-01-2020 09:51AM

Funny thing is cattle are scarce..they are still only 3.60...10 cent above where we were with the strike...and some lads on here reckoned the strike stopped the price rising...well where is the rise ???

12-01-2020 11:31AM

Robson99 wrote: »

Funny thing is cattle are scarce..they are still only 3.60...10 cent above where we were with the strike...and some lads on here reckoned the strike stopped the price rising...well where is the rise ???

I think the blockades stopped prices dropping, then the glut stopped prices rising. No harm done to the factories. The proof of whether it was right or wrong is the feeling that farmers will never blockade a factory for longer than a Day or two again . Hard to get any joy out of the factories these days

jntsnk · 12-01-2020 01:20PM

1373 wrote: »

I think the blockades stopped prices dropping, then the glut stopped prices rising. No harm done to the factories. The proof of whether it was right or wrong is the feeling that farmers will never blockade a factory for longer than a Day or two again . Hard to get any joy out of the factories these days

I agree but blockades should commence again. Or at least threaten it. Farmers should act like a workers union. Go out on strike , in for talks and out again if nothing happens. Thing is , nothing much has happened in prices, 10/15c is a joke with feeding costs.

wrangler · 12-01-2020 01:44PM

jntsnk wrote: »

I agree but blockades should commence again. Or at least threaten it. Farmers should act like a workers union. Go out on strike , in for talks and out again if nothing happens. Thing is , nothing much has happened in prices, 10/15c is a joke with feeding costs.

Processors seem to have no problem closing down for a couple of mths, cattle will still be there for them when they come back, last protest should've thought you that
I wouldn't be surprised if factories are keeping prices down in case anyone would think the protests were successful if prices rose

cute geoge · 12-01-2020 01:45PM

jntsnk wrote: »

I agree but blockades should commence again. Or at least threaten it. Farmers should act like a workers union. Go out on strike , in for talks and out again if nothing happens. Thing is , nothing much has happened in prices, 10/15c is a joke with feeding costs.

''Farmers should act like a workers union''
That will be the day ,you need look no further then this tread with IFA and Beef plan members at each others throats .IMO if the beef joined with IFA to become its militant wing we might get somewhere a bit like SInn FeIn and the IRA!!!

12-01-2020 01:49PM

jntsnk wrote: »

I agree but blockades should commence again. Or at least threaten it. Farmers should act like a workers union. Go out on strike , in for talks and out again if nothing happens. Thing is , nothing much has happened in prices, 10/15c is a joke with feeding costs.

If farmers were to blockade the factories now ,it would be the greatest own goal .i doubt the factories would see a threat of more blockades as credible at this stage

12-01-2020 02:23PM

cute geoge wrote: »

''Farmers should act like a workers union''
That will be the day ,you need look no further then this tread with IFA and Beef plan members at each others throats .IMO if the beef joined with IFA to become its militant wing we might get somewhere a bit like SInn FeIn and the IRA!!!

I’d hate to be trying to buy cattle out of your yard 💣🔫🔪

Cavanjack · 19-01-2020 10:58PM

Any quotes for the coming week? I’ve a mixture of bullocks and bulls ready to go. First man to offer €4 flat can have them!!

High bike · 19-01-2020 11:03PM

Cavanjack wrote: »

Any quotes for the coming week? I’ve a mixture of bullocks and bulls ready to go. First man to offer €4 flat can have them!!

would u not hang on for 4.20:rolleyes:

Cavanjack · 19-01-2020 11:17PM

High bike wrote: »

would u not hang on for 4.20:rolleyes:

Got 3.55 for u grade bulls a couple of weeks ago. Think the journal has them at 3.60 now.

19-01-2020 11:55PM

Cavanjack wrote: »

Got 3.55 for u grade bulls a couple of weeks ago. Think the journal has them at 3.60 now.

It’s bizarre how the factories have managed to keep prices down for so long . This time last year I got 3.60/3.70 for o/r grades bulls when there was a 2 week wait to get them killed . Now been offered 3.40 /3.50 and they want them the next day

lalababa · 20-01-2020 06:47PM

Anyone depending on making money on cattle might as well throw in the towel.
I was going to say lie down and die but I thought it was too depressing!ðŸ™‚

jntsnk · 20-01-2020 08:25PM

lalababa wrote: »

Anyone depending on making money on cattle might as well throw in the towel.
I was going to say lie down and die but I thought it was too depressing!ðŸ™‚

Can’t get a good price for the factory cattle and store cattle are silly money.

straight · 20-01-2020 09:04PM

jntsnk wrote: »

Can’t get a good price for the factory cattle and store cattle are silly money.

Fr bullock yearlings are making 500 euro. Lads couldn't give 10 euro for them last March. Alot of fools out there I'm afraid.

Cavanjack · 20-01-2020 10:09PM

Jjameson wrote: »

To make 500 they’d be the better calf. The 50 to 100€ type. Glad to see they’re leaving a little turn for the brave souls.

Saw a friesian yearling bull make 700 last week but he was as good as a limousine.

weatherbyfoxer · 21-01-2020 11:57AM

should have the last few steers here ready for slaughter the end of the month..mix of aa,fr and a few continental all maybe 625kg average live...with the current base of 360 im strongly thinking of letting them off in the mart and let some lunatic give me 100 euro per head more than the factory..

kk.man · 21-01-2020 12:04PM

weatherbyfoxer wrote: »

should have the last few steers here ready for slaughter the end of the month..mix of aa,fr and a few continental all maybe 625kg average live...with the current base of 360 im strongly thinking of letting them off in the mart and let some lunatic give me 100 euro per head more than the factory..

Or some dealer/finisher give you 150e less. That's my experience of these types close to finish.

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