Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

easypazz · 27-12-2019 10:19AM

messinkiapina wrote: »

I hope that shower are obliterated in the next election.

Do you hope the shower that bankrupted the country win the election?

elperello · 27-12-2019 09:43PM

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/simon-harris-use-hse-for-sound-advice-on-alcohol-972336.html

I'm not sure whether this is naivete or something sinister.

The Minister for Health has written to media outlets recommending that they use official HSE sources rather than the drinks industry supported Drinkaware.ie for information about drinking alcohol.

A Government Minister publicly trying to influence where journalists get their information has more than a touch of the "four legs good two legs bad" to it than is good for our democracy.

rob316 · 28-12-2019 02:07AM

easypazz wrote: »

The only people this will effect are the miserable gits sitting at home on their own drinking cans of piss because its cheap.

My fear is they will start coming into pubs a bit and bringing down the standard.

What I see served up for 6 euro a pint I'd wonder who's really drinking piss.

28-12-2019 12:43PM

elperello wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/simon-harris-use-hse-for-sound-advice-on-alcohol-972336.html

I'm not sure whether this is naivete or something sinister.

The Minister for Health has written to media outlets recommending that they use official HSE sources rather than the drinks industry supported Drinkaware.ie for information about drinking alcohol.

A Government Minister publicly trying to influence where journalists get their information has more than a touch of the "four legs good two legs bad" to it than is good for our democracy.

What's most sinister is the drinks companies claim that drinkaware is “the national charity working to prevent and reduce alcohol misuse in Ireland”.

And what's more naive is that people believe them.

It's like asking Paddy Power for advice on problem gambling.

elperello · 28-12-2019 12:53PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

What's most sinister is the drinks companies claim that drinkaware is “the national charity working to prevent and reduce alcohol misuse in Ireland”.

And what's more naive is that people believe them.

It's like asking Paddy Power for advice on problem gambling.

And you see no problem in a Government Minister advising journalists which sources to use?

28-12-2019 01:16PM

elperello wrote: »

And you see no problem in a Government Minister advising journalists which sources to use?

Absolutely, when one of those sources has a huge conflict of interest.

Shelflife · 28-12-2019 01:18PM

Ahhh yes the wonderful askaboutalcohol site that seems to contradict itself.

If you put into to their alcohol risk calculator that you drink 3 pints on a Sat night and thats it, you are deemed to be a low risk drinker.

The same Dept claimed that the same 3 pints a week constituted binge drinking and therefore I would be a problem drinker.

So which is it ?

Atlantic Dawn · 28-12-2019 01:27PM

Shelflife wrote: »

Ahhh yes the wonderful askaboutalcohol site that seems to contradict itself.

If you put into to their alcohol risk calculator that you drink 3 pints on a Sat night and thats it, you are deemed to be a low risk drinker.

The same Dept claimed that the same 3 pints a week constituted binge drinking and therefore I would be a problem drinker.

So which is it ?

If all drinkers went out on a Saturday night to pubs and had only 3 pints the entire industry would collapse in a few weeks.

Shelflife · 28-12-2019 01:39PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

If all drinkers went out on a Saturday night to pubs and had only 3 pints the entire industry would collapse in a few weeks.

Thats nothing to do with the point I was making though.

Basically one one hand the Dept say 3 pints every week is fine, on the other they say that its binge drinking and is a problem.

It cant be both.

elperello · 28-12-2019 02:17PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Absolutely, when one of those sources has a huge conflict of interest.

I'd prefer if the journalists were left to do their job without Government interference.

Mr. teddywinkles · 29-12-2019 11:15AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Aye, i’ll be joining the miserable old git club meself later tonight with a few glasses of vino. The oled tv and the cat beside me, what more could you want ;-)

Will ya not be participating in your local brawl with your drunken comrades. Falling out of your house into the street to gang up on some poor passer by? Very disappointed.

08-01-2020 12:07PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

It was not just a picture of a pint, it was a pint of particular brand of drink , it had "Murphy's" written across the glass.

It was not public art, it was advertising.

I passed this building last week.

Now that the pint is gone it actually looks better with just the cat and the wall.

The pint was completely out of place

easypazz · 08-01-2020 12:14PM

I wonder will Harris try slip this one under the radar and into law this month, at a time when most people wont care about booze.

Or after the black and tans debacle will they be afraid to do anything with a looming election.

Quackster · 08-01-2020 12:18PM

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

easypazz wrote: »

I wonder will Harris try slip this one under the radar and into law this month, at a time when most people wont care about booze.

Or after the black and tans debacle will they be afraid to do anything with a looming election.

Well he has just done that in the past few days with the section banning earning and redemption of loyalty points on alcohol.

Twelve-month transition period applies to allow supermarkets time to adjust so next Christmas will be the last time you'll be able to use your loyalty vouchers on buying booze.

elperello · 11-01-2020 11:18PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/agribusiness-and-food/simon-harris-in-lecturing-preening-interfering-mood-when-it-comes-to-alcohol-1.4135028

This article in the IT is a lot more eloquent than I was in objecting to Mr Harris's attempt to interfere with the media.

Thelonious Monk · 23-05-2020 08:43AM

https://www.thejournal.ie/minimum-alcohol-pricing-2-5104494-May2020

This hasn't gone away you know.
Right now I'm off booze and never want to drink again. But regardless, this law infuriates me more than anything else a government has done for as long as I can remember.
Do you think it will still pass? Why the f*ck are we putting up with this? Polls all say like 85 and 90% of people don't want it.

the beer revolu · 23-05-2020 09:22AM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/minimum-alcohol-pricing-2-5104494-May2020

This hasn't gone away you know.
Right now I'm off booze and never want to drink again. But regardless, this law infuriates me more than anything else a government has done for as long as I can remember.
Do you think it will still pass? Why the f*ck are we putting up with this? Polls all say like 85 and 90% of people don't want it.

Obviously, a good time to kick an industry in the balls, while it's on its knees.

The alcohol manufacturing industry is in serious trouble at the moment.

elperello · 23-05-2020 10:15AM

I can't see it coming in this year what with the double whammy of Covid 19 and Brexit.

If FF,FG and Greens form a Government I hope wiser counsel will prevail and they won't want to unnecessarily upset too many people in the vortex of the two crises.

da_miser · 23-05-2020 10:32AM

elperello wrote: »

I can't see it coming in this year what with the double whammy of Covid 19 and Brexit.

If FF,FG and Greens form a Government I hope wiser counsel will prevail and they won't want to unnecessarily upset too many people in the vortex of the two crises.

Got to keep the natives sedated with drink as the economy crashes, sober people more likely to be politically active than those drowning their sorrows, when the USSR collapsed they purposely kept the price of alcohol low while everything else skyrocketed, make the hard times a little easier to bare

Edgware · 23-05-2020 12:49PM

da_miser wrote: »

Got to keep the natives sedated with drink as the economy crashes, sober people more likely to be politically active than those drowning their sorrows, when the USSR collapsed they purposely kept the price of alcohol low while everything else skyrocketed, make the hard times a little easier to bare

Them damm Commies knew how to do it

Reputable Rog · 23-05-2020 01:01PM

That article is complete rubbish, if anything off sales prices have rocketed in the last 2 months.

Shelflife · 23-05-2020 02:07PM

Reputable Rog wrote: »

That article is complete rubbish, if anything off sales prices have rocketed in the last 2 months.

Agree, I dont know how Mckinny gets away with quoting those figures around without being challenged.

I have an off licence and virtually across the the board prices have gone up as the drink companies simply cant keep up with demand.

Guinness went up 13%, Heineken up 13% and Carling went up over 17%.

Quantity deals went out the window as in pallet pricing or bulk buying discounts were pulled.

Most of the bigger supermarkets focused on simply getting the product in and simply stopped all their alcohol deals.

da_miser · 23-05-2020 06:24PM

I have seen the document the Vinters association put out a few week ago on their plans to reopen.
In a nut shell they want all taxes/rates/levies abolished for the rest of the year, some to even carry into next year, not a penny to be paid in tax by pubs to help them get going again.
If they get what they want, why would any other business be happy to pay their taxes?

Leroy42 · 23-05-2020 07:54PM

Shelflife wrote: »

Agree, I dont know how Mckinny gets away with quoting those figures around without being challenged.

I have an off licence and virtually across the the board prices have gone up as the drink companies simply cant keep up with demand.

Guinness went up 13%, Heineken up 13% and Carling went up over 17%.

Quantity deals went out the window as in pallet pricing or bulk buying discounts were pulled.

Most of the bigger supermarkets focused on simply getting the product in and simply stopped all their alcohol deals.

Rubbish supply and demand? You think their supply can't cope? Come off it. Every pub in the country is closed!

It purely profit taking. Why offer deals when you don't have to? Both the distributor and the shops.

Reputable Rog · 23-05-2020 09:26PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Rubbish supply and demand? You think their supply can't cope? Come off it. Every pub in the country is closed!

It purely profit taking. Why offer deals when you don't have to? Both the distributor and the shops.

It’s kind of hilarious because I drive past Heineken every week day between 7-8 am and whilst the keg trucks you normally see around Cork and Limerick aren’t out the other trucks are moving out in force.

randomname2005 · 23-05-2020 09:41PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Rubbish supply and demand? You think their supply can't cope? Come off it. Every pub in the country is closed!

It purely profit taking. Why offer deals when you don't have to? Both the distributor and the shops.

Need to shift from kegs to bottles/cans. Change in distribution and logistics. But haven't noticed much increase locally in Irish craft beer

Leroy42 · 23-05-2020 10:31PM

randomname2005 wrote: »

Need to shift from kegs to bottles/cans. Change in distribution and logistics. But haven't noticed much increase locally in Irish craft beer

That doesn't necessitate a 13% price increase, particularly when lots of their other costs are down.

It's pure profit taking, by retailers as well. They should, given the sudden closure of pubs, have plenty of supply.

Shelflife · 23-05-2020 11:37PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

That doesn't necessitate a 13% price increase, particularly when lots of their other costs are down.

It's pure profit taking, by retailers as well. They should, given the sudden closure of pubs, have plenty of supply.

They have plenty of product but struggling to get packaging .

I’m simply quoting the price increases that I’ve had to
pay comparing cost prices in March and prices Im currently paying now. I’ve passed on most of the increases but can’t pass it all on , so my margin is down.

Can’t talk about other retailers margins but I know they are all struggling to keep products in stock.

Guinness sales way up and they are struggling big time to keep up with demand.

kerryjack · 24-05-2020 08:38AM

12 to 14 euros for 8 cans still great value better than a box of sleeping tablets and the farts keep the wife away win win. Ya the die hard Guinness drinkers had to hit the cans I always liked the cans but got a tip for the perfect can, put pint glass in freezer for 15 minute makes a big difference In my humble opinion.

murphyebass · 24-05-2020 10:07AM

kerryjack wrote: »

12 to 14 euros for 8 cans still great value better than a box of sleeping tablets and the farts keep the wife away win win. Ya the die hard Guinness drinkers had to hit the cans I always liked the cans but got a tip for the perfect can, put pint glass in freezer for 15 minute makes a big difference In my humble opinion.

15 mins in the freezer so you can’t taste the beer. Nice.

Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

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