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Utopia Parkway · 16-12-2019 04:04PM

awec wrote: »

I see Ian Bailey has been arrested and will be extradited to France.

Not sure how I feel about that. Sets a bit of a worrying precedent surely?

Well there is no way he's getting a fair trial anyway.

Knowing that I'm quite surprised they consented to extraditing him.

awec · 16-12-2019 04:06PM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Well there is no way he's getting a fair trial anyway.

Knowing that I'm quite surprised they consented to extraditing him.

Pretty sure France already had the trial and already found him guilty.

Dave_The_Sheep · 16-12-2019 04:07PM

Can he appeal it, I wonder.

The trial in France did appear to be a bit farcical, from my admittedly vague memory of it.

Utopia Parkway · 16-12-2019 04:09PM

awec wrote: »

Pretty sure France already had the trial and already found him guilty.

A show trial pretty much.

errlloyd · 16-12-2019 04:10PM

Wait I don't think he will be extradited. He has been arrested, but it looks like they're referring the 2017 legislation to the supreme court to decide between two potential interpretations. One would extradite him, the other would not.

Bailey may end up doing more for the development of constitutional law in Ireland than anyone other than David Norris

prawnsambo · 16-12-2019 04:32PM

errlloyd wrote: »

Agreed, if you can't be proved guilty in one jurisdiction (Ireland) it seems like double jeopardy to follow the ruling of another jurisdiction (France).

I do think it is relatively likely he did it though.

I would doubt that tbh. The Garda investigation was carried out extremely sloppily. The scene was not preserved for something like 12 hours and rainfall pretty much destroyed it. And people were walking through it willy nilly. Including (I'm told) another possible suspect.

Podge_irl · 16-12-2019 05:23PM

awec wrote: »

Pretty sure France already had the trial and already found him guilty.

Think I recall reading that when tried in absentia like that they have to have another trial anyway once they actually have the person in custody.

I could also be talking through my arse.

17-12-2019 07:03PM

Watched the last episode of Watchmen.

Really wasn't sure about it at the start but it's an exceptional season of TV. Very trieu to the source material.

17-12-2019 09:04PM

Hmmm might have to give it a go. I'm not into comic book stuff in general and hate mysterious nonsense like Lost and Leftovers. Is this similar? I wasn't sold by the first episode at all even though I did like the film.

Squidgy Black · 17-12-2019 09:10PM

I read a couple of the comic books years ago, but I'll be honest, I watched the first episode and really struggled to figure out what was going on.

17-12-2019 09:33PM

Squidgy Black wrote: »

I read a couple of the comic books years ago, but I'll be honest, I watched the first episode and really struggled to figure out what was going on.

I'd have been fairly familiar with both the graphic novel and the movie and I found the first episode confusing.

It is however a great bit of universe building based on a novel that was effectively a caricature of the world. This is more of the same. It's a complex but solid piece of writing and Jeremy Irons is going to win awards for his performance.

I reckon this will end up being an anthology and a good one too.

dregin · 18-12-2019 10:05AM

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

Can he appeal it, I wonder.

The trial in France did appear to be a bit farcical, from my admittedly vague memory of it.

He can't appeal because he didn't appear in court for the original trial, from what I remember.

Podge_irl · 18-12-2019 10:20AM

dregin wrote: »

He can't appeal because he didn't appear in court for the original trial, from what I remember.

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2019/0531/1052791-ian-bailey-paris-trial/

Under French law, anyone found guilty of a crime in absentia is entitled to a second trial in France where they will be present in court and represented by defence lawyers.

Aha, I was not making it up. Can't imagine he'd have much more luck in person mind you.

Podge_irl · 18-12-2019 05:15PM

https://www.thefarside.com/

Awesome.

Clegg · 18-12-2019 07:46PM

Rian Johnson has been vindicated.

Take that, nerds.

Dave_The_Sheep · 18-12-2019 08:09PM

Clegg wrote: »

Rian Johnson has been vindicated.

Take that, nerds.

Que?

Clegg · 18-12-2019 08:14PM

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

Que?

New Star Wars is crap.

18-12-2019 08:26PM

Clegg wrote: »

New Star Wars is crap.

I heard it was poor alright. Thought the last one was absolutely dire and the first one was barely an original story.

All in all I feel like we've got the Original trilogy, a bunch of great novels and games and a long list of cinematic failure.

I'm actually glad they didn't do the Zahn trilogy in hindsight. They can hand creative direction over to someone competent before they tackle that material.

Dave_The_Sheep · 18-12-2019 08:33PM

Clegg wrote: »

New Star Wars is crap.

So was his though. Doesn't vindicate his effort in the slightest.

(Unsure if you're being entirely serious with your original comment, tbh)

It's a bit sad. This is the first Star Wars I'm not even going to bother seeing in the cinema (other than the ones where I wasn't born yet, obviously).

Deleted User wrote: »

They can hand creative direction over to someone competent before they tackle that material.

Yeah, good luck with that.

Podge_irl · 18-12-2019 08:36PM

Force Awakens I thought was quite good, if incredibly unoriginal. Some people seem to think TLJ is one of the best Star Wars movies and I have no idea what on earth they are thinking - I thought it was down there with the prequels. It made almost no sense. I'll go see the new one, cause feck it, but I expect nothing good.

Clegg · 18-12-2019 08:44PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I heard it was poor alright. Thought the last one was absolutely dire and the first one was barely an original story.

All in all I feel like we've got the Original trilogy, a bunch of great novels and games and a long list of cinematic failure.

I'm actually glad they didn't do the Zahn trilogy in hindsight. They can hand creative direction over to someone competent before they tackle that material.

I don't want any more Star Wars films that touch on the old canon. They wouldn't do it justice.

New stories only please.

Zzippy · 18-12-2019 11:33PM

Serious storm outside now, much worse than Atiyah. Wild since before 8pm but only upgraded to orange by Met Eireann after it hit. Trees down and roads blocked all over the place here in Galway. Load of cars under water in Salthill. A lot of people not impressed with the forecasters

molloyjh · 19-12-2019 12:51AM

Podge_irl wrote: »

Force Awakens I thought was quite good, if incredibly unoriginal. Some people seem to think TLJ is one of the best Star Wars movies and I have no idea what on earth they are thinking - I thought it was down there with the prequels. It made almost no sense. I'll go see the new one, cause feck it, but I expect nothing good.

This. I dont know what character Mark Hamill played in TLJ, but it wasn't Luke Skywalker. The whole trilogy hinges on the audience believing that the guy who wouldnt kill his father, a man he didnt actually know, who was responsible for the death of billions, who was the right hand man of the most evil man in the galaxy, who was actively trying to kill Luke and threatening to kill his sister while the fate of the galaxy literally hung in the balance around them, all because he felt he could save his soul despite the fact that it meant certain death for him would then years later come seconds from murdering his nephew in his sleep that he had known his entire life, who hadn't done anything wrong, who wasnt threatening anyone, all because he thought he could turn to the dark side (from which he knew people could be saved) on a random night in peace time made absolutely no sense at all. It took Luke's victory in ROTJ in rejecting the dark side and fecked it in the bin along with loads of other things Johnson just wasn't arsed with. He didnt even bother trying to explain the wild sidestep Luke's character took. The audience could just like it or lump it.

19-12-2019 10:48AM

Clegg wrote: »

New Star Wars is crap.

Holy god. I wasn't following the release at all because my interest died three movies ago - but this is getting utterly savaged online.

Some of the scathing commentary from critics says it all:

Star Wars was modelled on John Ford’s The Searchers and Akira Kurosawa’s Hidden Fortress. The current “content” has more in common with the last update of your PC’s operating system. Have fun watching the grey bar complete itself

The director is J.J. Abrams, perhaps the most consistent B student in modern popular culture

The Rise of Skywalker, conversely, is overly obsessed with the past, with Abrams perhaps thinking that tying the arcs of its heroes to decades-old films will somehow increase their significance. Instead, it heightens the incoherence.

19-12-2019 11:21AM

I saw the new one last night, thought it was irredeemably ****e. It's missing basically everything that made the original films so popular. It has absolutely no charm, a lot of things don't make a lick of sense, it's too loud, it's too brash, just did nothing for me at all.

errlloyd · 19-12-2019 12:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Watched the last episode of Watchmen.

Really wasn't sure about it at the start but it's an exceptional season of TV. Very trieu to the source material.

On the plus side, I finished this last night and loved it. Not perfect, but very good. Looking forward to the final episode of the accompanying podcast.

19-12-2019 12:44PM

errlloyd wrote: »

On the plus side, I finished this last night and loved it. Not perfect, but very good. Looking forward to the final episode of the accompanying podcast.

Yeah this is the second season this year I've followed the accompanying podcast. Chernobyl was the other one.

Funny year for TV. I hated GOT, ended up really liking Watchmen and thought the Deuce was almost a masterpiece. Chernobyl was the one not on my radar and was by far the best season on TV this year.

Mandalorian is grand but I'm not the target age group at all.

errlloyd · 19-12-2019 12:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah this is the second season this year I've followed the accompanying podcast. Chernobyl was the other one.

They're the only two podcasts I've followed. I think HBO were trying something new with the Chernobyl podcast, it was excessively successful, and now it's going to be on every show.

It's funny really, because GoT could REALLY have done well with a Podcast to help the manage the message from episode to episode.

19-12-2019 01:16PM

errlloyd wrote: »

They're the only two podcasts I've followed. I think HBO were trying something new with the Chernobyl podcast, it was excessively successful, and now it's going to be on every show.

It's funny really, because GoT could REALLY have done well with a Podcast to help the manage the message from episode to episode.

Nothing could have helped that last season. They got it completely wrong.

Agreed though, it's a great concept and hope to see more of it.

19-12-2019 02:15PM

Watch The Expanse. I binged season 4 in a few days. Best sci-fi out there.

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