Calling out fellow cyclists for illegal or dangerous behavior

Tombo2001 · 31-10-2019 05:10PM

hesker wrote: »

Are you talking about situations where a cycle lane exists or doesn’t or both. Your original post didn’t specify.

Where a cycle lane is present I would proceed provided the bus or truck is not blocking or half blocking it. If it is I would stay behind.

Where there is no cycle lane I would also stay behind.

To do otherwise is risky in my opinion regardless of whatever interpretation you apply to the ROR.

It is kind of irrelevant which scenario as these signs say - you will see them used by prominent private coach company, all white - they simply say: do not pass on the left.....

Not "do not pass on the left, except where....." it simply says "do not pass on the left".

And since these are motorized vehicles, versus a bike which is not, you are only passing these guys if they are stationary.

jim o doom · 31-10-2019 05:43PM

CramCycle wrote: »

What a muppet, I can imagine the conversation if you were a Garda.
Garda: FPN so, whats your name and address?
Muppet: Dave from town,
Garda: Do you have ID to prove that, No, oh well, bike seizure it is so.

haha I really look absolutely nothing like a garda either, long hair, beard, visible tattoos.. I was quite confused when he asked me if I was going to give him a warning :pac:

magicbastarder · 31-10-2019 06:08PM

okay, i get that you don't want to cycle on the road across the east link - but cycling on the footpath at much faster than walking pace is a dick move. especially when you see a woman with a buggy and small child in front of you and wait for them to stop and let you past, instead of you stopping and letting them past.

mikekerry · 31-10-2019 06:13PM

now that the dark evenings have arrived the amount of cyclists I've seen already cycling home in the pitch dark without a light or a reflector jacket on is just crazy.

07Lapierre · 31-10-2019 06:16PM

CramCycle wrote: »

I weave all the time, in fact at several points on the N11 I find myself in the driving lane on the bike as the bike lane is blocked with white vans, the bus lane is blocked with left turning vehicles and stopped buses. For the most part I get no hassle, I look, I indicate, I look again and if safe move over. Weaving is just a word to imply that the cyclist is acting without due caution and consideration, it should not be used as the negative connotations paint an untrue picture to the reader/listener in many cases.

weaving in traffic is one (if not THE) main advantage of cycling in the city centre!

07Lapierre · 31-10-2019 06:23PM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

As you know - cyclists are advised in the rules of the road to keep to the left.

Frequently, there is a marked cycle lane to the left as a designated area for cyclists.

Trucks and buses should be to the right of this, not in it.

The situation I describe above is where cyclists are along the left, while the motor traffic is in gridlock and not moving. A very common, almost normal scenario in Dublin city centre.:rolleyes:

So are you suggesting that as I cycle along the LHS of the road, and I come upon a bus telling me not to overtake on the left, which in practice is straight ahead for me, that I should just stop?

Its certainly not in the rules of the road.

Why?

That’s where weaving/filtering comes in. Just pass the bus on the right. If the bus happens to be in a line of traffic and is “definitely “ not going to move, then proceed to pass on the left, BUT, if you are in any doubt, pass on the right. (At least, this is what I do)

07Lapierre · 31-10-2019 06:26PM

mikekerry wrote: »

now that the dark evenings have arrived the amount of cyclists I've seen already cycling home in the pitch dark without a light or a reflector jacket on is just crazy.

Don’t worry... the Gardai will be out soon handing out Hi viz jackets to these muppets! ( IMO, they shoul confiscate their bikes on the spot!)

hesker · 31-10-2019 07:25PM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

And since these are motorized vehicles, versus a bike which is not, you are only passing these guys if they are stationary.

Or if they’re swinging wide to turn left which is what the warning is about for the most part I believe.

Viscount Aggro · 17-12-2019 08:30PM

Time wrote: »

Imagine how many convictions Angela Fahy would be responsible for then!

Detailed complaint made about her to Gardai, and Data Protection Commission.

5uspect · 17-12-2019 08:38PM

mikekerry wrote: »

now that the dark evenings have arrived the amount of cyclists I've seen already cycling home in the pitch dark without a light or a reflector jacket on is just crazy.

I’ve started asking, no pleading with them to get lights. One near invisible guy asked sarcastically if I were the bike police. He changed his tune and agreed with me after the bollocking I gave him.

dubrov · 17-12-2019 08:39PM

5uspect wrote: »

I’ve started asking, no pleading with them to get lights. One near invisible guy asked sarcastically if I were the bike police. He changed his tune and agreed with me after the bollocking I gave him.

Well, are you the bike police?

Stark · 17-12-2019 09:33PM

Have enough of my own **** to be worrying about tbh. The only time it does potentially effect me is if going to overtake someone on a two way cycle track, any other time it gets filed under "other people's business".

Seth Brundle · 17-12-2019 09:38PM

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

Detailed complaint made about her to Gardai, and Data Protection Commission.

Regarding what specifically?

tomasrojo · 17-12-2019 10:49PM

Stark wrote: »

Have enough of my own **** to be worrying about tbh. The only time it does potentially effect me is if going to overtake someone on a two way cycle track, any other time it gets filed under "other people's business".

I do sometimes tell people who have gone to some trouble to put on a decent light, but not noticed that their coat, bag, rear mudguard or whatever is obscuring it totally. I presume they'd like to know. If someone hasn't got lights at all, they already know they don't have lights. I guess there might be a very rare case where a light fell off without them noticing.

Time · 17-12-2019 11:50PM

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

Detailed complaint made about her to Gardai, and Data Protection Commission.

I'm very surprised the Gardai took a complaint about someone who is acting completely within the law. Surely you'd be better complaining about the actions she highlights no?

Article 2 wrote: »

2(c) This Regulation does not apply to the processing of personal data by a natural person in the course of a purely personal or household activity;

Recital 18 wrote: »

Personal or household activities could include correspondence and the holding of addresses, or social networking and online activity undertaken within the context of such activities.

Wishbone Ash · 18-12-2019 12:28AM

tomasrojo wrote: »

I do sometimes tell people who have gone to some trouble to put on a decent light, but not noticed that their coat, bag, rear mudguard or whatever is obscuring it totally. I presume they'd like to know....

I was coming out of Skerries a couple of years ago around 5 or 6am in winter - dark unlit twisty semi-rural road. I gradually caught up with another cyclist who had a good front light but no rear. As I closed in, I realised he had a rear light but it wasn't on. I presumed he either forgot to turn it on, the battery died, or it had malfunctioned.

Exchanged a few friendly words as I passed and pointed out that his rear light was off. "Ah I know" says he "I usually switch it on when I get to Dublin". WTF? :eek:

LeChienMefiant · 18-12-2019 11:44AM

Time wrote: »

I'm very surprised the Gardai took a complaint about someone who is acting completely within the law. Surely you'd be better complaining about the actions she highlights no?

Angela has a particular soft spot for cyclists and no concept of cycling laws. I'm personally not comfortable with her creeping around my neighbourhood filming people to put on Instagram.

punisher5112 · 18-12-2019 11:57AM

tomasrojo wrote: »

I do sometimes tell people who have gone to some trouble to put on a decent light, but not noticed that their coat, bag, rear mudguard or whatever is obscuring it totally. I presume they'd like to know. If someone hasn't got lights at all, they already know they don't have lights. I guess there might be a very rare case where a light fell off without them noticing.

See so many like this it's unreal.....

How would you not notice the light is behind a fixed solid object on the bike such as you said tyre or mudguard....

LennoxR · 18-12-2019 12:01PM

'Calling out' has to be the most irritating expression of our age.

CramCycle · 18-12-2019 12:04PM

LennoxR wrote: »

'Calling out' has to be the most irritating expression of our age.

Agreed, we aren't street fighting FFS. I point out things to people, either because first impressions are they don't realise (light not on, jacket covering, can't see the light they have etc. or because I think that their muppetry makes it a slightly less safe ride. I use a different tone for both groups.

tnegun · 18-12-2019 12:07PM

Intel in Leixlip must have a ban on bike lights, daily I see several emerge without lights and I've given up saying anything most just reply sure I'm only on the path or I'm not going that far and there's street lights!

reg114 · 18-12-2019 12:40PM

axer wrote: »

Cycling home yesterday I see a cyclist ahead of me making their way through a red light at a traffic junction. As he was going through the junction I see a car has also broken their red light coming from the side. The cyclist gives the driver a big shake of their head to show his disapproval. He then proceeds to continue through the junction on red and then through a pedestrian crossing while it is green for pedestrians.

I caught up with the cyclist a few junctions later. I really couldn't resist calling him out for being a hypocrite as id never seen anything as hypocritical before. He looked at me confused then all he could say was what the car did was dangerous. I pointed out how ridiculous that argument is and how can he expect others to follow the rules of the road if he doesn't. He then proceeded to take off through red lights again (green for pedestrians).

The only other time I pointed something out to a fellow cyclist was when they had veered into another lane to overtake a parked bus without a hand signal or a glance over their shoulder. Their rear wheel ended up a few centimeters from the front bumper of a car they crossed in front of. Again, confused look on their face when I pointed out how close to having an accident they were. Completely oblivious. Id like to think that maybe they might think the next time but that might be wishful thinking.

It gets me thinking, should we as cyclists be calling out illegal or dangerous behavior of other cyclists (could include pedestrians/motorists but this is a cycling forum so focusing on fellow cyclists)? Have you ever done it? Do you think it would affect behavior if more people did it through a type of social pressure or do you think the blind / ignorant will just continue to be no matter what do is a waste of time?

I don't think it is up to cyclists to police other cyclists, or that they should be expected to, but the way I see it is I am also a motorist and a pedestrian so such behavior affects me in situations where I can't then challenge them as it is easier for a cyclist (and pedestrian) to move off quickly e.g. Cycling through a pedestrian crossing while im crossing on green or a pedestrian running across the road in front of cyclists etc. So I feel we should as cyclists point out illegal or dangerous behavior to other cyclists because we can - for the sake of road safety. What do you think?

Personally I have and at the time the two elderly cyclists who were repeatedly breaking red lights because they couldnt be bothered unclipping at junctions, could see my grievance as a fellow cyclist. The problem with highlighting other road users' transgressions is its rarely met with an agreeable reaction in fact some could respond to your criticism with violence so I would exercise caution when being vocal.

2 Wheels Good · 18-12-2019 01:13PM

Do Deliveroo have a special pass for no lights, having them on back to front (red on the front, white on the back) or my favourite flashing blue lights?

reg114 · 18-12-2019 01:28PM

2 Wheels Good wrote: »

Do Deliveroo have a special pass for no lights, having them on back to front (red on the front, white on the back) or my favourite flashing blue lights?

This the same deliveroo crowd who cellotape those huge battery packs to their downtubes ? Ive seen some of them using Dublin bikes to do deliveries #madness

2 Wheels Good · 18-12-2019 03:21PM

reg114 wrote: »

This the same deliveroo crowd who cellotape those huge battery packs to their downtubes ? Ive seen some of them using Dublin bikes to do deliveries #madness

Forgot the magical 2 stroke engines that require no pedalling...

Thinkingaboutit · 18-12-2019 03:36PM

2 Wheels Good wrote: »

Forgot the magical 2 stroke engines that require no pedalling...

Those can be really fast. I knew of someone around Mulranny who'd go about on one of those, who told someone who suggested he needed a insurance or Hi-Viz to f.o. I'd agree on the Hi-Viz, but he appeared to me to be keeping pace with some very fast moving cars, so maybe was meant to have something. Dunno.

My only real other cyclist annoyance are some who go wholly against any expected traffic direction. I used not to look out for head on collisions with cyclists, but do now, and should have anyhow. Also when stopping at lights, probably leave space for those who won't, for the sake of my back / bike.

I wonder too if traffic Gardaí are outsourced to Diliveroo or other randoms using blue flashing lights on their bikes.

punisher5112 · 18-12-2019 03:44PM

Thinkingaboutit wrote: »

Those can be really fast. I knew of someone around Mulranny who'd go about on one of those, who told someone who suggested he needed a insurance or Hi-Viz to f.o. I'd agree on the Hi-Viz, but he appeared to me to be keeping pace with some very fast moving cars, so maybe was meant to have something. Dunno.

My only real other cyclist annoyance are some who go wholly against any expected traffic direction. I used not to look out for head on collisions with cyclists, but do now, and should have anyhow. Also when stopping at lights, probably leave space for those who won't, for the sake of my back / bike.

I wonder too if traffic Gardaí are outsourced to Diliveroo or other randoms using blue flashing lights on their bikes.

They're illegal.....

Spideog Rua · 18-12-2019 03:57PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

They're illegal.....

Are blue flashing lights on bicycles illegal? Could you share a link please

magicbastarder · 18-12-2019 04:12PM

During these hours all cyclists are required to have fitted (and make use of) the following:

One front light, showing to the front a white or yellow light visible for a reasonable distance
One rear light, fitted to the rear of your bicycle showing a red light that is visible for a reasonable distance

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/cycling/lighting_of_bicycles_in_ireland.html

also, the link below explains who is allowed use blue lights and in what circumstances.

https://www.rsa.ie/Documents/VS_Information_Notes/Vehicle_Parts/FAQs%20on%20Emergency%20Flashing%20Lights%20on%20Vehicles.pdf

CramCycle · 18-12-2019 04:23PM

Thinkingaboutit wrote: »

I wonder too if traffic Gardare outsourced to Diliveroo or other randoms using blue flashing lights on their bikes.

Seen an adult with those blue lights built into their runners, the type kids have that flash as they run around. They were on constant and were pretty effective at getting attention on the bike IMO Not legal but effective

Calling out fellow cyclists for illegal or dangerous behavior

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