Calling out fellow cyclists for illegal or dangerous behavior

Roadhawk

Best video for cyclist call outs goes to...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxsOBnkKTKk

Effects

Roadhawk wrote: »

Best video for cyclist call outs goes to...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxsOBnkKTKk

The very first clip is a white van left hooking a cyclist.
That account looks for as much click bait as it can find.

Stark

Roadhawk wrote: »

In most efficient cities they have path side barriers in place particularly at corners to stop pedestrians from entering a road space. This alone would be beneficial for traffic flow.

Totally regressive approach to city design.

CramCycle

Roadhawk wrote: »

I agree but there is always the issue of policing the Jaywalkers...just like the most recent fines for cyclists, they were a novelty at the start and now only the odd one or two are dished out by Garda. In most efficient cities they have path side barriers in place particularly at corners to stop pedestrians from entering a road space. This alone would be beneficial for traffic flow. In ireland we favour the pedestrian so they will always have level crossings and the like. I lived in Hong Kong and Singapore where they would have many city center pedestrian flyovers where the pedestrians do not interrupt the flow of traffic.

Are you suggesting we prioritise road traffic over pedestrians? In our city centres there should be no flow of traffic bar buses, blue badge vehicles and cyclists, everything else, which should have the highest priority, should be a pedestrian.

Roadhawk wrote: »

I know and then the conversation shifted to cyclists doing it.

No it didn't, Aulwahn referred to a post about cars as if it meant cyclists, more of a leap of faith rather than a shift.

"I cannot recall a junction where more cyclists have broke the red in comparison to motorists.", you cannot say that with any honesty behind it and mean it. Motorists, Cyclists and pedestrians alike all know that cyclists have a tendency to run a red light more often the other road users. Yes its lower risk than a motorist doing it but that doesnt take away from the fact that a bicycle is a vehicle and vehicle are to stop at red.

I can and do, and my cameras front and back, back me up on this as well. I never said cyclists shouldn't stop at red, I think they should and I think they should be fined for it. Experience has taught me that typically they do, not all the time but more than people who don't cycle think.

Light reading from 5 years ago: https://www.vancourier.com/opinion/columnists/opinion-do-bicycles-need-to-become-registered-1.1377562

And this has what to do with it? An anecdote followed by multiple examples of registration being seen as a red herring?

No its clearly not a threat and has noting to do with of one road user killing another however it does have to do with giving the same amount of courtesy shown by the other.

It sounded like a threat. I say this as someone who has had someone jump out of their vehicle to deck me for, you guessed it, stopping on red. I have had motorists galore get annoyed with me for stopping on red. I have had several buses pull in on me intentionally to teach me a lesson for blocking their path, interestingly while I was at or close to the speed limit on many occasions.

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Fact of the day: in 2018 there were 2.68million registered (taxed) vehicles in ireland. In that same year there were 142 fatal incidents on irish roads equaling 1 fatal incident per 18873.24 vehicles (0.00530%). In the same year there was an estimated 65,000 cyclists with 9 fatalities. Thats 1 in every 7222.22 cyclists or 0.01385%.

And here is the fact that you failed to include, how many of those cyclists were killed by motorists, as a matter of interest, and how many of those motoring fatalities were caused by cyclists. Facts are interesting if you show them off in the right light. How many life altering injuries down the hierarchy of risk were caused by both groups. I can assure you, death and injury rates are not where you want to go with this conversation because it doesn't paint a pretty picture for being in or around a motor vehicle.

Cyclist are no more sh1t than any other type of road user, some people are just sh1t, using the behaviour of a minority to chastise the whole of any group is mindless ranting.

Duckjob

Roadhawk wrote: »

Fact of the day: in 2018 there were 2.68million registered (taxed) vehicles in ireland. In that same year there were 142 fatal incidents on irish roads equaling 1 fatal incident per 18873.24 vehicles (0.00530%). In the same year there was an estimated 65,000 cyclists with 9 fatalities. Thats 1 in every 7222.22 cyclists or 0.01385%.

I'm genuinely curious to know what you think is inferred or can be concluded from these statistics (apart from the obvious that cyclists are more vulnerable to fatality and we should exercise extra care around them) ?

Dr_Colossus

With the dark evenings two cyclists yesterday dressed in dark clothes with no lights going the wrong direction on the Phoenix Park cycle lane. I've a strong front light so saw them and just passed the comment, "Christ, proper ningas" for which they apologised and continued on.

Time

CramCycle wrote: »

I can and do, and my cameras front and back, back me up on this as well. I never said cyclists shouldn't stop at red, I think they should and I think they should be fined for it. Experience has taught me that typically they do, not all the time but more than people who don't cycle think.

I tend to agree with you that overall the rule breaking is probably equal and as you said earlier the stats back this up, however there is a hugely disproportionate number of cyclists breaking red lights in the city centre, where there is also the greatest proportion of the most vulnerable road users, pedestrians.

On my cycle into town the closer i get to Dame St the worse the red light breaking gets, and by Dame St i'm often the only cyclists who actually stops at red lights. I've lost count of the amount of times i've almost been hit at college green by a cyclist on the green pedestrian light since the new system came in, its absolutely endemic. This leads people to think that cyclists are particularly bad because they're more likely to encounter cyclists as pedestrians when in the city centre.

I also see a lot of cycling on pedestrian streets in the middle of the day and once or twice a week at least i see people cycling the wrong way down a one way street, which i can honestly say i have yet to see a vehicle do in the city centre.

rubadub

Roadhawk wrote: »

Motorists, Cyclists and pedestrians alike all know that cyclists have a tendency to run a red light more often the other road users.

Not in my experience, pedestrians are by FAR the roadusers most likely to break a red, its is so tolerated it is laughable. I have seen people do it in dublin city in a very dangerous manner in view of a group of about 5 gardai waiting to cross and the gardai to not even breathe a word.

Nobody says a thing because of the "they are one of us" mentality, if it was only some minority group doing it you would likely hear all about it. Or if for some reason walking suddenly dropped drastically as a way of getting about -in effect becoming a minority group.

Effects

Time wrote: »

I also see a lot of cycling on pedestrian streets in the middle of the day and once or twice a week at least i see people cycling the wrong way down a one way street, which i can honestly say i have yet to see a vehicle do in the city centre.

I see drivers going the wrong way on one way streets all the time in the city centre, taking short cuts. At least once a week.

Time

Effects wrote: »

I see drivers going the wrong way on one way streets all the time in the city centre, taking short cuts. At least once a week.

What streets are empty enough during the day that a car can even do that!?!

Pinch Flat

Time wrote: »

What streets are empty enough during the day that a car can even do that!?!

Baggorath place (off Baggot street) it’s quite common. Rat run from fitzWilliam lane. Also at poolbeg street, just past mulligans pub. No unusual to face an oncoming car just around the corner - there is a car park into an apartment complex, right turn only but some motorists couldn’t be arsed and swing left. Just two on my commute. I’m sure there’s plenty more

Time

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Baggorath place (off Baggot street) it’s quite common. Rat run from fitzWilliam lane. Also at poolbeg street, just past mulligans pub. No unusual to face an oncoming car just around the corner - there is a car park into an apartment complex, right turn only but some motorists couldn’t be arsed and swing left. Just two on my commute. I’m sure there’s plenty more

FFS thats ridiculous sure if one car meets another on those it'd be a nightmare. In town the streets between South Georges St and Kildare St are very bad for wrong way cycling but not for cars.

Stark

Not city centre but happens all the time on Royal Canal bank in Phibsborough and it's a real pain as cars going the right away are often the ones bullied into reversing back down the road to make room.

Chapelizod exit gate in Phoenix Park is another one.

tomasrojo

Car parks are a good place to spot motorists driving against explicit one-way directions.

Effects

Time wrote: »

What streets are empty enough during the day that a car can even do that!?!

Francis St. Cars pull out enough to see if there's anything coming down, see it's clear, then just go for it.

There was a video posted here last year as well. A car on a one way section of the Phoenix Park, except he was driving on the cycle path and almost hit a cyclist.

work

Roadhawk wrote: »

Best video for cyclist call outs goes to...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxsOBnkKTKk

Do you mean the single ameboid cyclist creature. Or could it be cyclists are individuals and all act differently. Th is group cycling phobia needs to stop. Simple some cyclists are sh!t and some motorists are sh!t. Poor motorists kill and maim others for cyclists it's negligible.
So as a law abiding cyclist, one of the ameboid, what exactly is the take away message?

Shai

Time wrote: »

What streets are empty enough during the day that a car can even do that!?!

Lincoln Lane. Taxi drivers seem to love using it as a shortcut to get onto the quays. Spotted it a few times on Inchicore Road as well.

Cabaal

AulWan wrote: »

I can provide you with a copy of the receipt for the €400 that I had to pay to replace a wing mirror, if you'd like to give me your address. The cyclist who knocked it off and didn't bother his arse stopping, didn't appear to have hurt himself doing it. I was stopped at the time, he was weaving through traffic lanes.

I'd be delighted if you could tell me how he could be legally identified, so I could send the bill on to him.

Before you do that, can you help me identify the dickhead motorists who have over the years caused about 600euro in damage to my car just by them getting out of their cars!

AulWan

What has motorists damaging your car, got to do with cyclists damaging cars?

The fact that motorists damage other motorist cars too, does not excuse cyclists who do it.

It's just another pathetic attempt to deflect from bad cyclist behaviour.

I also suggest you invest in a dash cam that switches on and starts recording instantly if something bumps off your car, I have one I can recommend. At least then you have a chance of catching the reg plate.

Cabaal

AulWan wrote: »

What has motorists damaging your car, got to do with cyclists damaging cars?

The fact that motorists damage other motorist cars too, does not excuse cyclists who do it.

It's just another pathetic attempt to deflect from bad cyclist behaviour.

I also suggest you invest in a dash cam that switches on and starts recording instantly if something bumps off your car, I have one I can recommend. At least then you have a chance of catching the reg plate.

Because you offering to send a bill to a random person who cycles for damage another cyclist allegedly caused to your car is real relevant.

You wouldn't offer to send a bill to a random motorist on the motor forum, you'd be laughed out of it and rightly so. But yet here you are on the cycling forum.....
:rolleyes:

Your reg plate idea is stupid, its actually beyond stupid.
All it shows is you have a massive hatred against cyclists so much so that you keep proposing a completely silly idea, its fairly tragic

I can see it now, kids as young as 3/4 with reg plates...after all you want to be able to see who caused the damage to your car
:rolleyes:


Of course reading them might be a awful problem :pac::pac:

Sure you can always stick bigger plates on adult bikes, of course if they don't have a basket at the front or back it might be a problem


There's a damn good reason why you don't see your ideal being rolled out in the Netherlands, because its just that silly

magicbastarder

tomasrojo wrote: »

Car parks are a good place to spot motorists driving against explicit one-way directions.

i do this all the time in certain car parks.

lawred2

Cloudio9 wrote: »

Of course she reacted that way, that's a really negative way to engage with a complete stranger.

Ah here. The lady is a danger to herself taking to the roads if she can't balance on a bike.

How would you have phrased it?

Stark

lawred2 wrote: »

Ah here. The lady is a danger to herself taking to the roads if she can't balance on a bike.

How would you have phrased it?

I probably would have STFU to be honest. It's her own business. If it was a 6 foot plus lad, would you have phrased it the same way?

lawred2

Stark wrote: »

I probably would have STFU to be honest. It's her own business. If it was a 6 foot plus lad, would you have phrased it the same way?

I didn't phrase anything - I wasn't there.

But I'd have no problem asking a similar question of whomever - are you sure you should be cycling on city center roads if you're incapable of balancing while moving slowly!?

Might not be the safest place to be.

CramCycle

Time wrote: »

I tend to agree with you that overall the rule breaking is probably equal and as you said earlier the stats back this up, however there is a hugely disproportionate number of cyclists breaking red lights in the city centre, where there is also the greatest proportion of the most vulnerable road users, pedestrians.

Quite possibly, my own experience seems to indicate that the closer you are to a 3rd level institution, the larger the % of cyclists breaking reds.

I also see a lot of cycling on pedestrian streets in the middle of the day and once or twice a week at least i see people cycling the wrong way down a one way street, which i can honestly say i have yet to see a vehicle do in the city centre.

I have seen quite a few, certain spots it is a regular occurrence with people trying to beat any cars before they turn in and block them.

AulWan wrote: »

Maybe you should pay a visit to specsavers, cramcycle, you're obviously blind. :rolleyes:

Done it on the way home last night.

Number of red light runners (excluding junctions where it was green on approach or no one broke a red)
Motorist Cyclist
6 1
4 0 (although there was one who would have given the chance)
2 0
4 0
2 1
2 0

It was quieter than usual and this was a surprisingly low number from both groups on the way home. Typically i would have expected the numbers for both to have been twice if not three times this. The majority of motorists who ran reds were on roads crossing the main road or on filter lights. Cyclists were all with the main road. Other points of note where 3 cyclists on the foot path or against traffic on the bike path, 8 cars parked in no parking areas (mandatory bike lanes, corners etc.). Also, how can no one use indicators properly at roundabouts, even the GAI bus in front of me indicated right to go straight through.

This morning was much the same, I presume it is the school break.

The most notable one this morning was at the Stillorgan crossing of the N11, Garda MB rider waiting at the lights on the hunt for bus lane users I imagine had two cars through one set of lights who were not amber gamblers but straight red runners. Traffic had to wait for the last one to speed up through the junction. I pointed at them and you could see the consideration of hitting the lights and then just not bothering, he shrugged and drove on. Should be fined for driving without due consideration and attention. If they couldn't see him as they came through the red light, they should not be driving.

SusieBlue

I saw a woman (not for the first time) this morning, weaving through rush hour traffic in the pouring rain carrying a small baby no older than 6 months old in a forward facing sling.
Absolutely reckless behavior, even the most minor of falls or collisions could crush that baby to death if the woman fell forward or off the bike. I told her if I see her doing it again I'm calling the Gards but she wasn't remotely interested or bothered. The baby was also getting soaked because he/she had no shelter from the rain.
So bloody dangerous and selfish.

AulWan

Cabaal wrote: »

Because you offering to send a bill to a random person who cycles for damage another cyclist allegedly caused to your car is real relevant.

You wouldn't offer to send a bill to a random motorist on the motor forum, you'd be laughed out of it and rightly so. But yet here you are on the cycling forum.....
:rolleyes:

Your reg plate idea is stupid, its actually beyond stupid.
All it shows is you have a massive hatred against cyclists so much so that you keep proposing a completely silly idea, its fairly tragic

I can see it now, kids as young as 3/4 with reg plates...after all you want to be able to see who caused the damage to your car
:rolleyes:

...

There's a damn good reason why you don't see your ideal being rolled out in the Netherlands, because its just that silly

Do you always have to be so attacking and childish in your posts? It makes me wonder if you're old enough for your parents taken the stabilisers off your bike yet.

Plus you have made some massive, eroneous assumptions.

I have never suggested that bikes should have registration plates. Not once.

You (and others) jumped to that conclusion because I suggested cyclists should be identifiable, in the event of an accident or incident occuring. How that could be achieved was not discussed because you immediately got all defensive and started shouting about reg plates.

I do not have an irrational hatred of cyclists. I do get annoyed by the type of cycling fanatics who will defend bad behaviour by cyclists to the end even when it is indefensible to any other reasonable person. And they do it by pointing their fingers at other road users and shout "well, they do it too!" *sulk, pout*.

Hopefully you'll calm down when school is back next week.

Carry on.

CramCycle

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AulWan

CramCycle wrote: »

Quite possibly, my own experience seems to indicate that the closer you are to a 3rd level institution, the larger the % of cyclists breaking reds.

I have seen quite a few, certain spots it is a regular occurrence with people trying to beat any cars before they turn in and block them.

Done it on the way home last night.

Number of red light runners (excluding junctions where it was green on approach or no one broke a red)
Motorist Cyclist
6 1
4 0 (although there was one who would have given the chance)
2 0
4 0
2 1
2 0

It was quieter than usual and this was a surprisingly low number from both groups on the way home. Typically i would have expected the numbers for both to have been twice if not three times this. The majority of motorists who ran reds were on roads crossing the main road or on filter lights. Cyclists were all with the main road. Other points of note where 3 cyclists on the foot path or against traffic on the bike path, 8 cars parked in no parking areas (mandatory bike lanes, corners etc.). Also, how can no one use indicators properly at roundabouts, even the GAI bus in front of me indicated right to go straight through.

This morning was much the same, I presume it is the school break.

The most notable one this morning was at the Stillorgan crossing of the N11, Garda MB rider waiting at the lights on the hunt for bus lane users I imagine had two cars through one set of lights who were not amber gamblers but straight red runners. Traffic had to wait for the last one to speed up through the junction. I pointed at them and you could see the consideration of hitting the lights and then just not bothering, he shrugged and drove on. Should be fined for driving without due consideration and attention. If they couldn't see him as they came through the red light, they should not be driving.

I would like to provide you with similar stats from my commute home last night, but unfortunately I was behind the wheel of a 1 ton machine and my attention was focused on keeping my eyes on the road and anticipating the actions of other road users rather then counting the number of rules they broke.

(Though I'm pretty sure I would have noticed any cars breaking red lights, but didn't see any - sorry).

magicbastarder

AulWan wrote: »

(Though I'm pretty sure I would have noticed any cars breaking red lights, but didn't see any - sorry).

i see it all the time, absolutely all the time; when i'm driving or cycling.
obviously, in heavy traffic i'm more likely to see it when cycling because i'm usually at the junction, rather than maybe 50m back as you often find yourself in a car.