Don't fall asleep

Raconteuse · 17-12-2019 6:42pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Total animal.
I never get people leaving their friends passed out on the street.

Did his friends definitely do that?

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Plenty of passed women have been raped and plenty on here have argued that's not rape.

Still no need to downplay or deflect from this incident. Pretty disrespectful to the victim.

jay1988 · 17-12-2019 6:43pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Plenty of passed women have been raped and plenty on here have argued that's not rape.

When?

Bobblehats · 17-12-2019 6:44pm

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Won't happen because some slippery eel of a lawyer will convince a judge that his "Human Rights" would be violated if he goes back there and that he would be persecuted for being gay. Even if he is not gay as the facts of the trial will get out.

He's not being deported.

“He said Maddi also has a history of Schizophrenia”

So you feel doubly protected. And can go about your day

ILoveYourVibes · 17-12-2019 6:44pm

Raconteuse wrote: »

Still no need to downplay or deflect from this incident.

im obviously not.:rolleyes: im obviously horrified.

If men and women got together on rape crimes however we could get tougher sentences rather than this joke of a sentence.

James Brown · 17-12-2019 6:46pm

Raconteuse wrote: »

Did his friends definitely do that?

Still no need to downplay or deflect from this incident. Pretty disrespectful to the victim.

He was out drinking with friends. Then, unless they were watching from the corner, without friends.

That was kicked off by the OP's 'new Ireland' suggestion.

Padraig Mor · 17-12-2019 6:46pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

It definitely wasn't the victims fault for being too drunk or in the dark ..or falling asleep in a public place. I would never say that ...but some people.

I'd hope you realise that you are completely misrepresenting what Hook actually said.......sadly I'd say you don't.

ILoveYourVibes · 17-12-2019 6:46pm

Bobblehats wrote: »

“He said Maddi also has a history of Schizophrenia”

That should have no bearing on this case.

gmisk · 17-12-2019 6:46pm

171170 wrote: »

If he's lucky that Algerian lad may well have a really great time in prison and may even decide not to apply for early release!

What do you mean?

Padraig Mor · 17-12-2019 6:47pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Plenty of passed women have been raped and plenty on here have argued that's not rape.

I've been here nearly twenty years and I've never seen anyone say that, or anything close.

ILoveYourVibes · 17-12-2019 6:48pm

Padraig Mor wrote: »

I'd hope you realise that you are completely misrepresenting what Hook actually said.......sadly I'd say you don't.

I am totally getting the point of what he said.

Speaking on his radio show, Mr Hook said: "But when you then look deeper into the story you have to ask certain questions. Why does a girl who just meets a fella in a bar go back to a hotel room?
"She's only just barely met him. She has no idea of his health conditions, she has no idea who he is, no idea what dangers he might pose.
"But is there no blame now to the person who puts themselves in danger?
"You then of course read that she passed out on the toilet and when she woke up the guy was trying to rape her.
"There is personal responsibility because it's your daughter and my daughter."

Hook would have said this man put himself in danger and bore personal some responsibility for what happened.

ILoveYourVibes · 17-12-2019 6:49pm

Padraig Mor wrote: »

I've been here nearly twenty years and I've never seen anyone say that, or anything close.

you just did

Wibbs · 17-12-2019 6:50pm

Raconteuse wrote: »

"We"?

Bloody hell, as a woman born and bred in Ireland, I think your downplaying of what was done to this man is disgusting.

Nah, it's just more of the all too usual self esteem issues with some around our past and how terrible we were. You'll see examples of it when say an Indian woman is gang raped and murdered by a bunch of subhumans and as sure as night follows day you'll have someone come along and say "well we did the same in the past!!" or variances of same and among some of the more delicate of mind will even claim we're really no different today and we'd be raping and murdering women if we got half the chance. I call these people morons, or damaged. Ironically though the Church is a dead duck, the sackcloth and ashes remain. No wonder they found it so easy to mould us for so long.

Triangle · 17-12-2019 6:51pm

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Was just wondering how AH would react if the victim had been a woman and the the culprit was, I don't know - let's say... a rugby player?

Lol, bit different. One is guilty and one is not.

Edit: it's actually not funny at all that you're comparing someone who is not guilty to what happened here.

various artistes · 17-12-2019 6:54pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

That ain't nothing new Ireland, we've been raping and abusing men women and children since the birth of the state!

TwoMonthsOff wrote: »

Deport.

Here's an interesting bit.

Not one of the people who thanked the first post, thanked the Deport one.

Given the first post was at 15:03, and the second was at 15:06, it's unlikely that users iloveyourvibes, Matt Barrett, odhinn and Stark didn't see the second one.

So just to reiterate- these four users agree with some bull**** that such activity was commonplace by priests up until the early 90's, so we shoudln't throw stones in glass houses.

On a post suggesting, simply, deport, these four individuals didn't see fit to hit the post like button.

**** me.

ILoveYourVibes · 17-12-2019 6:54pm

Triangle wrote: »

Lol, bit different. One is guilty and one is not.

Forget rugby player ..Say the victim was a woman and the man convicted ..

'People would say she drank herself into that state and fell asleep by the side of the road. My god how stupid etc. Terrible thing but my god that was unwise'

But on the other hand ..'a man should have the right to fall asleep and be drunk to the point of being unconscious in the streets lying the dark and not be raped'

ILoveYourVibes · 17-12-2019 6:55pm

various artistes wrote: »

Here's an interesting bit.

Not one of the people who thanked the first post, thanked the Deport one.

Given the first post was at 15:03, and the second was at 15:06, it's unlikely that users iloveyourvibes, Matt Barrett, odhinn and Stark didn't see the second one.

So just to reiterate- these four users agree with some bull**** that such activity was commonplace by priests up until the early 90's, so we shoudln't throw stones in glass houses.

On a post suggesting, simply, deport, these four individuals didn't see fit to hit the post like button.

**** me.

Why deport? He committed his crime here ...justice should be served here.

Deport him after his time is served.

He wouldn't serve time in Algeria the crime wasn't committed there. Plus the system is rife with bribery ..he would be out if someone in his family could pay.

various artistes · 17-12-2019 6:59pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Forget rugby player ..Say the victim was a woman and the man convicted ..

'People would say she drank herself into that state and fell asleep by the side of the road. My god how stupid etc. Terrible thing but my god that was unwise'

But on the other hand ..'a man should have the right to fall asleep and be drunk to the point of being unconscious in the streets lying the dark and not be raped'

A sexual assault committed by a foreign national is easily worthy of greater scrutiny than one committed by a native as it represents a failure of quality control in our migration policy.

- how did he enter the country? Illegally? A spurious asylum claim? If it's so dangerous to be gay in Algeria how did he presumably survive there into his 30's?
- did he undergo any sort of background checks?
- was he legally here? If he was in such dire financial straits that he was homeless why was he allowed to stay here?
- was he admitted under some reloaction programme, despite the disaster it has been in Germany, Sweden etc (being Algerian, he likely wasn't)

A sexual assault by a native can only provoke soul searching if he

a- has commited a serious offence before and should have been in prison, or

b- had told mental health services he was liable to commit such a crime and was not treated

James Brown · 17-12-2019 6:59pm

Padraig Mor wrote: »

I'd hope you realise that you are completely misrepresenting what Hook actually said.......sadly I'd say you don't.

It's the attitude. Ignorant. The conversation on what you might wear or where you might be making excuses for rapists, how ever it's spun.

various artistes · 17-12-2019 6:59pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Why deport? He committed his crime here ...justice should be served here.

Deport him after his time is served.

He wouldn't serve time in Algeria the crime wasn't committed there. Plus the system is rife with bribery ..he would be out if someone in his family could pay.

I don't think anyone was suggesting he be deported before finishing his sentence.

ILoveYourVibes · 17-12-2019 7:01pm

various artistes wrote: »

I don't think anyone was suggesting he be deported before finishing his sentence.

I am not suggesting he is allowed stay after he finishes it. Which will probably be in about a year.

James Brown · 17-12-2019 7:01pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Nah, it's just more of the all too usual self esteem issues with some around our past and how terrible we were. You'll see examples of it when say an Indian woman is gang raped and murdered by a bunch of subhumans and as sure as night follows day you'll have someone come along and say "well we did the same in the past!!" or variances of same and among some of the more delicate of mind will even claim we're really no different today and we'd be raping and murdering women if we got half the chance. I call these people morons, or damaged. Ironically though the Church is a dead duck, the sackcloth and ashes remain. No wonder they found it so easy to mould us for so long.

Nope. The op said 'new Ireland' like such a thing would have been unheard of previously.

ILoveYourVibes · 17-12-2019 7:02pm

various artistes wrote: »

A sexual assault committed by a foreign national is easily worthy of greater scrutiny than one committed by a native as it represents a failure of quality control in our migration policy.

- how did he enter the country? Illegally? A spurious asylum claim? If it's so dangerous to be gay in Algeria how did he presumably survive there into his 30's?
- did he undergo any sort of background checks?
- was he legally here? If he was in such dire financial straits that he was homeless why was he allowed to stay here?
- was he admitted under some reloaction programme, despite the disaster it has been in Germany, Sweden etc (being Algerian, he likely wasn't)

A sexual assault by a native can only provoke soul searching if he

a- has commited a serious offence before and should have been in prison, or

b- had told mental health services he was liable to commit such a crime and was not treated

So irish men are allowed rape nothin to see here?

We don't soul search and reevaluate for Irish rapists. oh ok

osarusan · 17-12-2019 7:02pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Nah, it's just more of the all too usual self esteem issues with some around our past and how terrible we were. You'll see examples of it when say an Indian woman is gang raped and murdered by a bunch of subhumans and as sure as night follows day you'll have someone come along and say "well we did the same in the past!!" or variances of same and among some of the more delicate of mind will even claim we're really no different today and we'd be raping and murdering women if we got half the chance. I call these people morons, or damaged. Ironically though the Church is a dead duck, the sackcloth and ashes remain. No wonder they found it so easy to mould us for so long.

It doesn't have anything to do with any of that though.

Lets not kid ourselves here, the only reason this thread was started is because the rapist is an immigrant.

People are reacting to the 'new Ireland' bollocks.

James Brown · 17-12-2019 7:03pm

various artistes wrote: »

Here's an interesting bit.

Not one of the people who thanked the first post, thanked the Deport one.

Given the first post was at 15:03, and the second was at 15:06, it's unlikely that users iloveyourvibes, Matt Barrett, odhinn and Stark didn't see the second one.

So just to reiterate- these four users agree with some bull**** that such activity was commonplace by priests up until the early 90's, so we shoudln't throw stones in glass houses.

On a post suggesting, simply, deport, these four individuals didn't see fit to hit the post like button.

**** me.

Personally there was nothing to it.

I did thank Johnny's

"Back to Algeria with him."

Now what do I win?

By the way, do you think Feminists are following you?

ILoveYourVibes · 17-12-2019 7:03pm

osarusan wrote: »

Lets not kid ourselves here, the only reason this thread was started is because the rapist is an immigrant.

I don't believe that. Its a horrendous crime. I think it would be anyway. I don't think the OP started it for that reason at all.

osarusan · 17-12-2019 7:04pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

So irish men are allowed rape nothin to see here?

We don't soul search and reevaluate for Irish rapists. oh ok

You have plagued this forum for far too long with your horsesh!t posts.

Feisar · 17-12-2019 7:04pm

We all have the “right” to fall asleep and expect to wake up OK but as the ref says, “protect yourself at all times”

Triangle · 17-12-2019 7:05pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Forget rugby player ..Say the victim was a woman and the man convicted ..

'People would say she drank herself into that state and fell asleep by the side of the road. My god how stupid etc. Terrible thing but my god that was unwise'

But on the other hand ..'a man should have the right to fall asleep and be drunk to the point of being unconscious in the streets lying the dark and not be raped'

I don't think anyone would say this, and if they thought it then they need help.
No-one should be sexually assaulted ever.

This case is a open and shut case with proper evidence. When there's no evidence and only one person's word against another - then it's a more complex issue.

ILoveYourVibes · 17-12-2019 7:06pm

Feisar wrote: »

We all have the “right” to fall asleep and expect to wake up OK but as the ref says, “protect yourself at all times”

Most men have drunk to the point at which they can't.Most Irish men will do it this weekend lets be honest.

ILoveYourVibes · 17-12-2019 7:07pm

Triangle wrote: »

I don't think anyone would say this, and if they thought it then they need help.
No-one should be sexually assaulted ever.

This case is a open and shut case with proper evidence. When there's no evidence and only one person's word against another - then it's a more complex issue.

Hypothetical cases then. Women / female victims are treated differently.

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