Trevor Deely case - new witness

I don’t wish to sound disrespectful but td’s father has said in the last 24hrs that any altercation with a gang is nonsense. They also don’t believe suicide either, so I wonder what they must think ?

tara73 wrote: »

yes, and why is there only one still image available? there must be footage of what they did at the gate, when they arrived, did they talk to MIB, how they left. It's just: they were work colleagues-alright, no more questions from anybody. why not??
who released the footage anyway? the guards? media? unknown source? I have the feeling there's just one story shown to the public, this MIB, first at the pillar, than at the gate. If they are so sure the work colleagues have nothing to do with it, why showing just one eerie still pic with three people standing outside of the gate instead of just withholding that pic. It started all kind of unnecessary?) speculation (and still does for me).

The still of the colleagues appeared on kildarenow.com in 2017 and kicked off a lot of confusion.

sugarman wrote: »

Any links or quotes to that?

https://www.leinsterleader.ie/news/home/499955/trevor-deely-s-dad-says-criminal-gang-murder-speculation-is-nonsense.html

Coconut12 wrote: »

Street workers hadn’t ceased at that time in that area ! Google it

In the wake of the Geoghan Quinn 1994 legislation there was a major crackdown by Gardai forcing most girls off the streets. It certainly was a lot more difficult to find sex for sale on the street in it's aftermath. Anybody living in or who was familiar with the Upper Mount St.,Herbert St, Wilton Place, Warrington Place, Upper Pembroke St and Fitzwilliam Square areas during the mid to late nineteen eighties would affirm this, I am sure.

If we were to take TD completely out of the equation here for a minute and look at the behaviour of the characters floating around outside the bank at unsociable hours, and say TD never went missing. If we just look at the body language of the individuals in the CCTV, because that is the only evidence that can really be taken from that footage, they appear to be waiting for someone to come out of the bank. This is not how even stupid crims do surveillance on a bank or on any other property, standing at the gate looking straight in.

smelly sock wrote: »

The more you would think about it the lads going back to the office full of gargle is strange. Not getting in and heading off again and remebering nothing about MIB. People here can argue that it was run of the mill stuff but have you ever gone back to your office at 3 4 or 5 AM full of beer?? Hiwmany here have done it.

I would personally find it strange, but it was a 24 hour office located close to Dublin nightlife - seems to have been a place people would drop into to pick up stuff after being in pub.
It didn't seem too remarkable (to other colleagues) that Trevor would drop in, get an umbrella, have a coffee etc before setting off home again.

In the case of the colleagues waiting outside at the gate, I think it was in the IT article they said they were waiting for another colleague who was picking up an overnight bag and was gonna crash on the colleagues couch - cos no taxis.

smelly sock wrote: »

The more you would think about it the lads going back to the office full of gargle is strange. Not getting in and heading off again and remebering nothing about MIB. People here can argue that it was run of the mill stuff but have you ever gone back to your office at 3 4 or 5 AM full of beer?? Hiwmany here have done it.

Regardless of that we cant even be sure about the time line. Time stamps on CCTV could be wrong or inaccurate.

Its a case full of possible explanations and mystery.

AGS seem to believe ot was a chance run in with a criminal gang operating in the area.

I have. I work in a 24hr service, there are always people there. I've often gone in after a night out for a cuppa and some food.

smelly sock wrote: »

The more you would think about it the lads going back to the office full of gargle is strange. Not getting in and heading off again and remebering nothing about MIB. People here can argue that it was run of the mill stuff but have you ever gone back to your office at 3 4 or 5 AM full of beer?? Hiwmany here have done it.

Regardless of that we cant even be sure about the time line. Time stamps on CCTV could be wrong or inaccurate.

Its a case full of possible explanations and mystery.

AGS seem to believe ot was a chance run in with a criminal gang operating in the area.

I recall hearing at the time that some of the staff who were working that day, changed into their party gear and left their day clothes at the office. Called by there to pick their stuff up on the way home.

Regarding the mobile phone tracing - this was the year 2000.

Mobile phones were by NO means so common as they are now: and a lot of them were prepay - you'd buy the little docket at a shop and key in the code for twenty quids worth - ah, memory!

At 4 a.m. in a non-residential district, there really would not have been that many calls happening.

Looking at the CCTV - the "girl" that passed the lamp post - could this have been the same person seen at the ATM earlier, when Trevor got some cash out? Tall and skinny, maybe with a woolly cap on but not much of an overcoat?

smelly sock wrote: »

Myself i would consider extremely unprofessional to go to my place of work intoxicated.

Attitudes were a bit more relaxed back then plus it was the company party.
Tipsy\merry ok... absolutely stocious no.

smelly sock wrote: »

Ah i dont know. Again how many posters here hand on heart would have done or would do the same. Obviously nothing to do with TDs vanishing but strange all the same. Thats the thing about this case. All of the little snippets we know are so strange and conflicting. Maybe all missing persons cases are like that.

I worked in similar office in early 00s... There was a christmas lunch tradition, which included wine in the canteen, then back to your desk for couple of hours til 4 o'clock and then to the pub. People popping in and out of the office that evening would not be considered remarkable at all.
Of course, by late 00s that had all ended thanks to new multinational owners and one incident of someone coming back to the office too boozed up

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I also find it strange that the two work colleagues were literally standing beside MIB at the gate but as far as I know they’ve never given an account of the night and their memories of MIB - was anything said etc.

The Gardai identified them, interviewed them and ruled them out. What we dont know is what kind of conversation they had with MIB as the Gardai have never released this information. It was likely completely innocuous or else they could have been very drunk and dont remember anything about what he said to them.

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

It's seems cold case detectives on YouTube did an episode on Trevor only a couple of months ago. They seem to put a lot of credence into the bank target theory.

I watched that Cold Case thing on Youtube and its basically a rehashing of information already in the public domain from the Irish Times series and then the narrator going on to speculate with some far fetched theory. He makes Trevor out to be some sort of computer and financial genius and then goes down the rabbit hole of an Alaska based criminal gang using Trevor in some sort of bank fraud. Its all complete bollox, the Gardai and the family went to Alaska and they've ruled out any connection there.

BDI wrote: »

Wilton terrace is ground zero for prostitution. There to the bridge then back to the garage on the other side supposedly is where they walk up and down.

Bad weather no punters desperate times snap judgements.

Exactly, if you are out at that time in the rain it’s because you need your 100euro to get heroin to last you the next day

With no punters about and your dying sick from withdrawals and your pimp is as well

Who knows what can happen