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Heavyweight Boxing

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    #4172
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,965 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    squinn2912 wrote: »
    Here’s one. If you found out that they were all on helpers would you continue to watch? I don’t see it ever being fixed

    Drugs and cheating and whatever else is available to humans in sport can never be eradicated...

    But there are still many many elites and greats in all sports that did it clean, and are doing t clean...


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    #4173
    yourdeadwright
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    squinn2912 wrote: »
    Here’s one. If you found out that they were all on helpers would you continue to watch? I don’t see it ever being fixed


    I would because I'm a strong believer that taking peds doesn't make you a better boxer . Yes sure you'll be in better shape can train harder and recover quicker but it won't make you more technical it won't help you remain calm when your hit and so on


    Of course it give you benefits but its not like running or cycling where drugs and hard work will make you from a nobody into a champion, In boxing you need more you skills, hearth and so on , seen plenty of muscle bound juice heads walk into the boxing gym and once they spar never return ,


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    #4174
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,965 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    I would because I'm a strong believer that taking peds doesn't make you a better boxer . Yes sure you'll be in better shape can train harder and recover quicker but it won't make you more technical it won't help you remain calm when your hit and so on


    Of course it give you benefits but its not like running or cycling where drugs and hard work will make you from a nobody into a champion, In boxing you need more you skills, hearth and so on , seen plenty of muscle bound juice heads walk into the boxing gym and once they spar never return ,

    Finally common sense on PEDs in sport...

    Skill based sports can benefit with PEDs, but there is far more to be gained in other sports like track and swimming and cycling, where it’s all about the clock..


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    #4175
    selectamatic
    Registered Users Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    If you're a big heavyweight there's an awful lot to be gained with stamina/endurance based PEDs though.

    The ability to stay fresher and therefore carry power into the latter rounds is very beneficial for the fighter and dangerous for the opponent.


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    #4176
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,965 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    selectamatic wrote: »
    If you're a big heavyweight there's an awful lot to be gained with stamina/endurance based PEDs though.

    The ability to stay fresher and therefore carry power into the latter rounds is very beneficial for the fighter and dangerous for the opponent.

    Agreed.

    It certainly has its benefits.

    Most of the sport revolves around stamina..

    And, in effect, stamina is D single most valuable and important trait in boxing

    Everything else comes after it, and is affected by it, and aided by it, and hindered by it...

    It is the first thing that I think any boxer would ask to be blessed with......

    Followed by chin, power, speed, feet....and all these, are either enhanced by good stamina, or hindered by not so good stamina!


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    #4177
    yourdeadwright
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    walshb wrote: »
    Agreed.

    It certainly has its benefits.

    Most of the sport revolves around stamina..

    And, in effect, stamina is D single most valuable and important trait in boxing

    Everything else comes after it, and is affected by it, and aided by it, and hindered by it...

    It is the first thing that I think any boxer would ask to be blessed with......

    Followed by chin, power, speed, feet....and all these, are either enhanced by good stamina, or hindered by not so good stamina!



    The old saying is true , fatigue makes cowards of men ,


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    #4178
    Bobby Baccala
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    https://youtu.be/eOXFH0f9kp4

    AJ hard on the ears


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    #4179
    yourdeadwright
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    Bobby Baccala wrote: »
    https://youtu.be/eOXFH0f9kp4

    AJ hard on the ears

    He always tried to sound like some kinda ghetto profit , Sound like he says stuff he has read minutes before ,
    Even in that gloves are off Nelson refers to one of these saying AJ said before and AJ has no idea what it is ,
    I thought AJ looked nervous


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    #4180
    Mantis Toboggan
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    I wouldn't be surprised if Ruiz does him again.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



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    #4181
    NewMan1982
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    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    He always tried to sound like some kinda ghetto profit , Sound like he says stuff he has read minutes before ,
    Even in that gloves are off Nelson refers to one of these saying AJ said before and AJ has no idea what it is ,
    I thought AJ looked nervous

    I used to think he was manufactured. I now think he’s just not the smartest but tries to appear a deep thinker.


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    #4182
    squinn2912
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    NewMan1982 wrote: »
    I used to think he was manufactured. I now think he’s just not the smartest but tries to appear a deep thinker.

    I can see what you mean. He did look a bit clueless there very apologetic. I think Ruiz will do his thing but my prediction all along has been aj by ko and I’m sticking to that. 5th round


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    #4183
    Blanco100
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    squinn2912 wrote: »
    I can see what you mean. He did look a bit clueless there very apologetic. I think Ruiz will do his thing but my prediction all along has been aj by ko and I’m sticking to that. 5th round

    Love Ruiz demeanour, such a chilled guy.

    Dont doubt he is a nice guy, but you can see that Mexican fighting spirit in his eyes.

    Think Joshua will KO him this time though but there are still huge question marks over him.


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    #4184
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,757 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Blanco100 wrote: »
    Love Ruiz demeanour, such a chilled guy.

    Dont doubt he is a nice guy, but you can see that Mexican fighting spirit in his eyes.

    Think Joshua will KO him this time though but there are still huge question marks over him.

    I think it’ll be a good fight but it will go like the povetkin one. Aj more patient. The big man can get him in trouble a second time. I’d say he will take a few shots too though


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    #4185
    blade1
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    AJ to jab his way to a points victory.
    Seems to be at his most vulnerable when he goes for the kill so don't think he'll take any chances.

    Rooting for Ruiz though.


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    #4186
    BDI
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    I think Ruiz gets around his jab at least once. I think Joshua struggles if Ruiz hits him well.


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    #4187
    walshb
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    Bobby Baccala wrote: »
    https://youtu.be/eOXFH0f9kp4

    AJ hard on the ears

    Not getting that..

    I think he came across fine. Just two of them chatting and discussing it all...

    Fair play to Nelson for asking some awkward questions...

    Both confident and both chilled and both humble; a lot better than the contrived hostility and pathetic trash talk efforts you get fed in this sport, and even more so in that MMA!


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    #4188
    yourdeadwright
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    walshb wrote: »
    Not getting that..

    I think he came across fine. Just two of them chatting and discussing it all...

    Fair play to Nelson for asking some awkward questions...

    Both confident and both chilled and both humble; a lot better than the contrived hostility and pathetic trash talk efforts you get fed in this sport, and even more so in that MMA!

    Everytime AJ speaksit seems he feels like he has to say some inspirational quote or some guru like gimmicky saying, Ruiz calm across a really chilled blokes, almost like a stoner at times he's that laid back


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    #4189
    walshb
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    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Everytime AJ speaksit seems he feels like he has to say some inspirational quote or some guru like gimmicky saying, Ruiz calm across a really chilled blokes, almost like a stoner at times he's that laid back

    Not at all. At least not in that video with Nelson and Ruiz.

    Calm, easy, fluid and just very natural....both of them....


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    #4190
    yourdeadwright
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    walshb wrote: »
    Not at all. At least not in that video with Nelson and Ruiz.

    Calm, easy, fluid and just very natural....both of them....

    Going on with the punch from god bull****, he always trying to sound clever in my opinion of course


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    #4191
    Littlehorny
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    Weigh in will be interesting on Friday, saw pictures of Joshua today and he has lost weight and muscle mass.
    Ruiz is looking slimmer too and Freddie Roach is not impressed by this


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    #4192
    walshb
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    The BO price for this is 28 euro.........


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    #4193
    squinn2912
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    walshb wrote: »
    The BO price for this is 28 euro.........

    It’s dear but I’m getting it. Good solid card and after the drama of the first fight it should be worth it. Plus I want to gloat about my prediction in real time!


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    #4194
    fitzparker
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    Ring walk confirmed for 8:45pm (UK time)


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    #4195
    blade1
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    fitzparker wrote: »
    Ring walk confirmed for 8:45pm (UK time)

    Perfect!


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    #4196
    nacho libre
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    squinn2912 wrote: »
    It’s dear but I’m getting it. Good solid card and after the drama of the first fight it should be worth it. Plus I want to gloat about my prediction in real time!

    Haha. You've really stuck your neck out for this one, i think you will be right though. Joshusa will break him down with his jab.


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    #4197
    blade1
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    squinn2912 wrote: »
    It’s dear but I’m getting it. Good solid card and after the drama of the first fight it should be worth it. Plus I want to gloat about my prediction in real time!

    What's €28 when you're obviously going to win a fortune with your prediction! :D


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    #4198
    yourdeadwright
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    nacho libre wrote: »
    Haha. You've really stuck your neck out for this one, i think you will be right though. Joshusa will break him down with his jab.



    I don't think its that straight forward , I think Ruiz is a person who negates the Jab, he has been the smaller man his entire career its the most used tactic used against him , It may work in parts but AJ will 100% have to do better fighting in range ,

    but like every heavy weight fight it can also end with one lucky punch ,


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    #4199
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,757 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    nacho libre wrote: »
    Haha. You've really stuck your neck out for this one, i think you will be right though. Joshusa will break him down with his jab.

    It’s certainly not like me!! If I’m wrong I’ll eat it up but I really see Joshua demolishing him. It’s win-win for me because I don’t like aj so if he gets beaten I’ll be happy enough


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    #4200
    wadacrack
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    walshb wrote: »
    Finally common sense on PEDs in sport...

    Skill based sports can benefit with PEDs, but there is far more to be gained in other sports like track and swimming and cycling, where it’s all about the clock..

    A fighter like Joshua who's main attribute are his physical gifts would benefit greatly from PED's. Heavyweight boxing is far less technical than the lower weight classes. How hard you punch is obviously massively important. Wilder and Joshua both technically limited but still World Champions


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    #4201
    Butson
    Registered Users Posts: 795 ✭✭✭Butson


    Anyone ever used a VPN for Dazn in Ireland?


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