CM Punk Megathread

Monokne · 17-11-2019 7:45pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

When Fury is getting £12m for going over you can see the crazy money on offer.

That's a gimmick number, like Floyd and the $20 mill in 2008. I am sure he got 7 figures mind you.

CastorTroy · 19-11-2019 2:04pm

How honest is Punk expected to be? I'm sure if he starts, they'll try to steer him away.
I don't watch this show, but is it like Talking Smack or is it more of a clip show and discussing what a great week they had?

Agent Coulson · 19-11-2019 5:21pm

The novelty of Punk just talking will wear off pretty quickly.

Even is reintroduction clip is annoying as fcuk to me.

Loughc · 20-11-2019 8:44am

If anyone watched his sit down interview with Renne on last nights backstage I really get the feeling he won’t be Back wrestling. I say he’s happy taking fox’s money for a handy non travelling gig.

Chuck Noland · 20-11-2019 8:50am

Loughc wrote: »

If anyone watched his sit down interview with Renne on last nights backstage I really get the feeling he won’t be Back wrestling. I say he’s happy taking fox’s money for a handy non travelling gig.

I watched it. He literally said and I quote “never say never” I’m not sure how you took he won’t be back from that!

He wasn’t going to come out and say “yeah it’s my ambition to get back and I’ll basically do it for free once Vince gives me a call” He will let WWE come crawling to him while the Brinks Money van, filled with those bits of paper with dead presidents on them, backs up to his house

Loughc · 20-11-2019 9:29am

Punk was asked about whether he is going to be returning to WWE TV to wrestle, given that Survivor Series is in Chicago. He says that while you never say no, it is not something he is pursuing or interested in and that he has had zero contact with WWE officials. Punk added that there are still significant bridges to be rebuilt.

Punk talked about his role on WWE Backstage, stressing that his relationship is with FOX and not WWE. He explained that after six years, he felt it was a good fit being able to talk about the business and criticize it without having to face any repercussions like being jobbed or fired. He will talk about the good stuff and the bad stuff, which some people in the industry won't like.

That’s what I took from he won’t be back. I think people want him back so much they forget what he went through at the end and just how bitter he became.

Lord TSC · 20-11-2019 1:07pm

Taken from Reddit. A summary of his first episode of Backstage.

- Reiterated his contract is only with FOX and has talked with no one from WWE aside from those on the show.
- Never say never on a return to the ring as he's 41 and experienced enough to know not to say no. Says bridge building the size of the great wall would be necessary.
- Believes all of pro wrestling could be better if there is less overproduction, micromanaging, and let wrestlers be themselves.
- Only like 10-12 people knew about it including Renee and his wife in his inner circle. Mentioned Jim Ross as some one still in his inner circle as they still text.
- He legitimately had butterflies in his stomach coming back, he said it's the first time he's truly felt something like that in a long time which makes him feel like it was the right move. Said he felt nothing before his match with Taker at Mania and would have rather continued talking to AJ behind the curtain. (He also stated this in the Cabana podcast.) He got more feeling before this than that.
- When asked what he likes in wrestling he stated the women. But, said he hated the women's revolution label. Stop placing a hashtag on things as the women kick ass, so let them go out there and kick ass. Also picked NXT. Said he knows what it's like to be an indy guy and get told you won't make it on t.v. so he relates to those guys. Said people like them because they are fresh new toys who haven't been tainted by the business yet. (Overexposed.)

Promo school:
- Gave David Arquette an F- on his promo and stated after David attacked his MMA career, he shouldn't have backed down from it and really laid in to him and called him a bum as it's real life and it happened, he accepts it.
- Stated it felt more like a battle rap and less like a promo school. He seemed disappointed.

Survivor series Discussion:
- Big dog segment from SD was trash creative and he jokingly stated it made him regret coming back. Said he wasn't familiar with Corbin. Got Paige to agree.
- Mocked the blue belt. Paige agreed again.
- Thought the Brock/Mysterio match would be a diamond in the rough and believes with the Chicago crowd it will be elevated.

Punk/Renee talk Seth Rollins challenging Punk:
- Punk stated this wasn't the place for Seth to shoot his little angles.
- Stated Seth's best bet to get his edge back is to just stop tweeting. Delete Twitter Seth.
- Renee dances around the Shield and refers to Roman/Seth as those Shield guys. Punk asks her who her favorite shield guy is referring to Ambrose/Moxley.
- Believes Seth/Roman are the top guys but being overexposed has turned the fans on them. Tough to find creative ways to reinvent yourself when your as overexposed as they are.

Social Media Smackdown:
- CM Punk cuts a good promo on Tom Arnold who trash talked him on Twitter.

briany · 20-11-2019 1:14pm

I hope he's on Backstage as often as he can be. The weird mixture of nervous amusement he elicits when he says something critical is absolutely hilarious. It's like, "Ooooooooh, no you didn't!" (side glance to camera as if to say, "Please, Vince. I in no way endorse what was just said.")

Agent Coulson · 20-11-2019 2:40pm

Saying the Brock/Mysterio match could be a diamond in the rough is a bold call lol.

LibSuperstar · 20-11-2019 3:34pm

It very well could be. Reportedly Lesnar gives good matches to guys he respects.

SureYWouldntYa · 20-11-2019 3:36pm

His best matches in the last couple years have always been against the smaller guys, David vs Goliath suits him

AJ Styles, Daniel Bryan, Finn Balor and CM Punk are his best singles matches since his return, it was against other big guys like Roman and Braun that the matches were a bit drab

RollieFingers · 20-11-2019 5:41pm

briany wrote: »

I hope he's on Backstage as often as he can be. The weird mixture of nervous amusement he elicits when he says something critical is absolutely hilarious. It's like, "Ooooooooh, no you didn't!" (side glance to camera as if to say, "Please, Vince. I in no way endorse what was just said.")

Is he going to actually air legitimate criticisms though? Like would he mention the Saudi shows, the ACH episode etc., or is it going to be more along the lines of him saying 'wrestling' instead of 'sports entertainment', or call the titles 'belts' etc., and everyone will say that's really edgy. I'd be interested in tuning in if it was the former.

2ndcoming · 20-11-2019 6:06pm

LibSuperstar wrote: »

It very well could be. Reportedly Lesnar gives good matches to guys he respects.

I mean, it's not just reportedly... he has done just that many times in fairness to him.

briany · 20-11-2019 6:37pm

RollieFingers wrote: »

Is he going to actually air legitimate criticisms though? Like would he mention the Saudi shows, the ACH episode etc., or is it going to be more along the lines of him saying 'wrestling' instead of 'sports entertainment', or call the titles 'belts' etc., and everyone will say that's really edgy. I'd be interested in tuning in if it was the former.

If he starts going off on Saudi Arabia or any sort of racism, it could make FOX just as nervous as WWE. They're both sensitive issues in the wider American media.

Just sticking it to the televised product would be fine, and would do well among the many disaffected fans of the organisation.

Agent Coulson · 20-11-2019 6:45pm

Don't forget Disney now own FOX so nothing really controversial is going to be said that will look bad on the house of Mouse.

Agent Coulson · 20-11-2019 6:49pm

Seth replayed to Punk saying he should stop tweeting by calling him a Coward.

Who say Kayfabe and working the fans is dead.

https://twitter.com/WWERollins/status/1197018463954444289

ThePott · 20-11-2019 7:07pm

I believe technically FS1 was not part of the Disney deal. The broadcast wing and the non-regional Sports channels are an independent company run by 21st Century Fox's shareholders. Not that it makes any real difference.

I don't think Punk is going to say anything too controversial anyway. He's making money for old rope doing this gig and a lot of money apparently. Not to mention that he his hot takes this episode weren't exactly that controversial. I don't think he's going to follow the product closely enough or burn any bridges to the extent people are hoping for.

2pacshakur · 20-11-2019 7:14pm

He’s back five minutes and has not most interesting feud in wwe for the last year.

CM Punk is a boss

J. Marston · 20-11-2019 7:17pm

Just waiting for Rollins to take the piss out of the MMA. All hell will break loose then. Punk's fanboys will go rabid.

Monokne · 20-11-2019 8:04pm

I like the Rollins - Punk dynamic so far. Sure, Triple H is a ready made match, but Seth has sort of organically become this company man over the past year with the Ospreay argument, the comments about Kenny & calling AEW the minor league. Punk as returning saviour against him is a good way to go.

Monokne · 20-11-2019 8:07pm

Also, I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet and I missed it, but there will be CM Punk chants at some point in Chicago this weekend, bet your bottom dollar.

Itssoeasy · 20-11-2019 8:18pm

Monokne wrote: »

I like the Rollins - Punk dynamic so far. Sure, Triple H is a ready made match, but Seth has sort of organically become this company man over the past year with the Ospreay argument, the comments about Kenny & calling AEW the minor league. Punk as returning saviour against him is a good way to go.

I like the punk part I can't stand Rollins so it's a no from me on that.

ThePott · 20-11-2019 8:33pm

Don't want a Triple H match with Punk or Rollins really.
Would love some feuds with people who weren't in WWE when he left, assuming he does come back.

Lord TSC · 20-11-2019 9:01pm

Monokne wrote: »

Also, I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet and I missed it, but there will be CM Punk chants at some point in Chicago this weekend, bet your bottom dollar.

Seth is pretty much begging for them, lol

briany · 20-11-2019 9:02pm

ThePott wrote: »

Don't want a Triple H match with Punk or Rollins really.
Would love some feuds with people who weren't in WWE when he left, assuming he does come back.

Maybe Punk should only agree to come back if Vince (or HHH or Stephanie), agree to become the inaugural member of the CM Punk 'Kiss my Ass' Club.

J. Marston · 20-11-2019 10:02pm

Lord TSC wrote: »

Seth is pretty much begging for them, lol

I bet he does the GTS.

Itssoeasy · 20-11-2019 10:03pm

Lord TSC wrote: »

Seth is pretty much begging for them, lol

And it looks terrible.

J. Marston · 21-11-2019 12:24am

Backstage had 100k viewers last week.

This week, with CM Punk appearing on WWE TV for the first time in 6 years, it did a colossal......180k viewers.

Monokne · 21-11-2019 12:44am

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I like the punk part I can't stand Rollins so it's a no from me on that.

That's the whole point though.

I might be showing my age here, but I still remember the days when you would genuinely like one party and dislike the other from time to time even if you knew it was all a work. How novel it would be for the entire audience to actually be desperate for Punk to win. Plus, having Rollins in there gives him a chance to have a good match on his return.

sky88 · 21-11-2019 12:46am

Monokne wrote: »

That's the whole point though.

I might be showing my age here, but I still remember the days when you would genuinely like one party and dislike the other from time to time even if you knew it was all a work. How novel it would be for the entire audience to actually be desperate for Punk to win. Plus, having Rollins in there gives him a chance to have a good match on his return.

Honestly Rollins as wwe guy vs punk writes itself

randomspud · 21-11-2019 2:24am

J. Marston wrote: »

Backstage had 100k viewers last week.

This week, with CM Punk appearing on WWE TV for the first time in 6 years, it did a colossal......180k viewers.

Nothing about WWE is a draw any more.

They can have all the surprise returns in the world happen but people won't care because it will just end in 50/50 booking that gets the brand over rather than the workers.

sky88 · 21-11-2019 8:29am

randomspud wrote: »

Nothing about WWE is a draw any more.

They can have all the surprise returns in the world happen but people won't care because it will just end in 50/50 booking that gets the brand over rather than the workers.

If nothing about wwe is a draw how are they still the biggest wrestling company in the world.

To say brand is the draw is totally correct but when it still gets the most ratings/subscriptions to network,raw and smack down you can’t say it’s not a draw

ThePott · 21-11-2019 11:36am

At the end of the day his 'return' is only on a talk show that's on ridiculously late on a channel people don't really watch.
Most of the stuff people want is uploaded to Youtube or Twitter.
There was never going to be a massive jump. I watched Backstage for the first time this week and it's basically a pointless show, not entirely sure if expectations are that high from it for Fox but they probably shouldn't be.

ERG89 · 21-11-2019 3:53pm

ThePott wrote: »

At the end of the day his 'return' is only on a talk show that's on ridiculously late on a channel people don't really watch.

It can't be a shock, most sane people don't want to watch a WWE produced talk show where they discuss their own product in a typical kid gloves manner and the co-hosts cut promo's with d-list celebrities.

sirmanga · 21-11-2019 4:07pm

On Backstage I found Punk to be a bit cringey, awkward, and a bit wooden. If anything, it made me less interested in seeing him return to WWE proper.

J. Marston · 22-11-2019 8:00pm

Rollins on Punk...

"Here's someone who's been in the doldrums for the last few years because he got his butt kicked in the Octagon so bad he didn't want to show his face anywhere, now he shows back up on a WWE show. It's called WWE Backstage show. You can say it's an FS1 show all you want, which it is, and you may be paid by FOX, but that show doesn't exist without our company, the company that you left five years ago."

Here we go.

johnnyryan89 · 22-11-2019 8:23pm

I'd rather watch Punk fight the East Hampton Polo Boys in a Judy Bagwell on a forklift match and then retire for ever than have anything to do with Rollins.

Cherry_Cola · 22-11-2019 8:48pm

All I want is Punk/AJ as they're not fond of each other at all. A good stiff match between the 2 could be entertaining.

No real interest in Punk outside of that.

Itssoeasy · 22-11-2019 9:02pm

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

I'd rather watch Punk fight the East Hampton Polo Boys in a Judy Bagwell on a forklift match and then retire for ever than have anything to do with Rollins.

A Judy bagwell on a forklift reference

I love this forum.

The White Wolf · 22-11-2019 9:50pm

J. Marston wrote: »

Rollins on Punk...

Here we go.

Rollins is such a hateable fcker that this pedestrian trolling might actually work.

Sirsok · 22-11-2019 10:01pm

Cherry_Cola wrote: »

All I want is Punk/AJ as they're not fond of each other at all. A good stiff match between the 2 could be entertaining.

No real interest in Punk outside of that.

Ah I'd say they are fond enough of each other considering they are married

Monokne · 23-11-2019 1:03am

Cherry_Cola wrote: »

All I want is Punk/AJ as they're not fond of each other at all. A good stiff match between the 2 could be entertaining.

No real interest in Punk outside of that.

I have never heard of this. Any details?

Agent Coulson · 23-11-2019 1:20am

I want Punk to sit down and do the Graves podcast for the Network shoot on the WWE, Then sue Graves for letting him shoot especially after everything Graves said about Punk.

Monokne · 23-11-2019 4:12pm

I...don't think that makes any sense at all

Itssoeasy · 23-11-2019 4:22pm

J. Marston wrote: »

Rollins on Punk...

Here we go.

Seth needs to go away. Fair enough punks UFC didn't go very good but at least he gave it a go. Has Seth ever been in a real fight in his life ?

Edit: just to be clear I think Seth Rollins in the ring is gifted and is a generational talent but recently he's coming across as a pain.

Agent Coulson · 23-11-2019 6:46pm

I wouldn't be calling Seth a generational talent to be honest.

He is a very very good worker but nowhere near what would be called a generational talent.

That would belong to AJ, Bryan and Punk..... Seth is not near that level in my opinion.

The White Wolf · 23-11-2019 6:54pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I wouldn't be calling Seth a generational talent to be honest.

He is a very very good worker but nowhere near what would be called a generational talent.

That would belong to AJ, Bryan and Punk..... Seth is not near that level in my opinion.

Agreed. I actually enjoy watching Roman work more for all the grief he got.

randomspud · 23-11-2019 7:38pm

Seth is ok in the ring but everything else about him is powerfully lame and dorky.

LibSuperstar · 23-11-2019 10:37pm

Rollins is best as a heel if anything.

J. Marston · 23-11-2019 10:41pm

His voice alone should mean he is never a face. That whiney, nasally horrible voice.

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