Things In Football That Grind Your Gears

Mushy · 16-11-2019 02:01PM

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

It's certainly ironic but kinda ties in with the second point, majority of people as they get older only take those things into consideration, years of habitual following since a young sprout they are unlikely to drop, certainly the case with me for sure

I don't think we'll see any drastic change in the LOI anytime soon sadly you only have to look that the foundation of the league, clubs are years of bumming pitches.

Ah I wouldn't expect somebody to stop supporting whoever's they do.

Many issues with the LOI, I'd say I could contribute on nearly each one and itd fit into this thread

Corholio · 16-11-2019 05:06PM

OwaynOTT wrote: »

I really don't see how league of ireland fans can't see this? It's a snobbery thing for ye, 'we're better fans, as we follow our local club', a badge of pride, 'we watch it no matter what, even when we could get better quality entertainment elsewhere.'
Fair ****s to ye for having a local club close by and having the convenience of being able to enjoy it and develop a loyalty to the club, I am enviousness of you but at the same enjoy my place in football fandom.

The snobbery definitely works both ways though. Of course there are some LOI fans who I personally wouldn't agree with the lengths they take in discussion, as there are some who take it too far in bashing the LOI too, but there are also some (note the word 'some') fans who think because they watch EPL and Champions League on TV that they know more about the 'quality' of football and can somehow 'analyse' better. I'd personally love if lots of others gave LOI a go and developed a connection with it, but there are plenty who just wouldn't out of a weird hatred. There are plenty too who don't support it but don't go out of their way to be high horse about it either.

OwaynOTT · 16-11-2019 05:39PM

Corholio wrote: »

The snobbery definitely works both ways though. Of course there are some LOI fans who I personally wouldn't agree with the lengths they take in discussion, as there are some who take it too far in bashing the LOI too, but there are also some (note the word 'some') fans who think because they watch EPL and Champions League on TV that they know more about the 'quality' of football and can somehow 'analyse' better. I'd personally love if lots of others gave LOI a go and developed a connection with it, but there are plenty who just wouldn't out of a weird hatred. There are plenty too who don't support it but don't go out of their way to be high horse about it either.

There tits on both sides, about that you’re right. I’ve never came across those who think because they watch the English stuff think they’re better at analysis but I don’t deny they might exist.
Surely those you go to live games regularly might have a bit more knowledge but then those you read up more on the game would too.
I’m not sure how often Rebel goes to games as he’s in LA, I think, but his analysis is always spot on.

osarusan · 16-11-2019 05:43PM

When, after a bad international result, posters start blaming the LOI and coming up with deluded plans* for the league can be re-designed to produce better players.

*Developing an Atlantic League, putting an Irish-based team in EPL or SPL, and similar notions.

DeanAustin · 16-11-2019 07:17PM

osarusan wrote: »

When, after a bad international result, posters start blaming the LOI and coming up with deluded plans* for the league can be re-designed to produce better players.

*Developing an Atlantic League, putting an Irish-based team in EPL or SPL, and similar notions.

That's a fair point. A lot of the ideas I see around LOI are just moving the deckchairs around the Titanic. Fact is, without more resources (i.e. money), the LOI will always struggle regardless of what structure is in place.

siblers · 17-11-2019 03:18PM

Come across this quite a few times for womens matches, commentator or reporter in the build up to the match will say the match is sold out or the stadium is at capacity etc but when watching the match, it's quite clear its not remotely close to being sold out. I know its an attempt to build hype but it just comes across as a very amateurish way to build hype.

Ireland played The Ukraine last month and all day on the radio, they kept saying it was sold out but there were loads of empty seats. Surely this just ends up backfiring as it turns away people who won't bother turning up if they think it's sold out

17-11-2019 03:26PM

They give away a boat load of freebies and plenty don't show up as it's no loss to them.

Salvation Tambourine · 17-11-2019 04:20PM

On the League of Ireland debate. I feel one of the main factors as to why people aren't going has been missed. Mates that also go. You really need to know people that go or agree to start going with someone. It's very hard to motivate yourself to go to matches when you're likely to be on your own. No accountability if you decide not to freeze yourself on a Friday night. No one encouraging you to go.

I've tried a couple of times to get into Shels and don't really know anyone that goes, I know one person but he has his own group that he watches the match with and I don't really fit in with the group. They stand behind the goal and just abuse people all game, I'd rather sit down at the side of the pitch and watch the match.

If I had a group of four or five that went it would be great and I'd be much more likely to go.

ozzy jr · 17-11-2019 05:21PM

Nokotan wrote: »

On the League of Ireland debate. I feel one of the main factors as to why people aren't going has been missed. Mates that also go. You really need to know people that go or agree to start going with someone. It's very hard to motivate yourself to go to matches when you're likely to be on your own. No accountability if you decide not to freeze yourself on a Friday night. No one encouraging you to go.

I've tried a couple of times to get into Shels and don't really know anyone that goes, I know one person but he has his own group that he watches the match with and I don't really fit in with the group. They stand behind the goal and just abuse people all game, I'd rather sit down at the side of the pitch and watch the match.

If I had a group of four or five that went it would be great and I'd be much more likely to go.

That's an awful excuse, I can't believe you took the time to type that out and post it.

Salvation Tambourine · 17-11-2019 05:57PM

ozzy jr wrote: »

That's an awful excuse, I can't believe you took the time to type that out and post it.

I've been to plenty of games on my own and it's no where near as fun as when you with friends. No one to talk to about what's happening on the pitch and then nothing afterwards. Watching mid table First Division football on your own isn't very appealing.

Do you not think having people to go and share the experience with makes a difference at all?

bucketybuck · 17-11-2019 06:13PM

ozzy jr wrote: »

That's an awful excuse, I can't believe you took the time to type that out and post it.

He said it was a factor. It might be worth considering that nobody actually needs an "excuse".

ozzy jr · 17-11-2019 06:16PM

Nokotan wrote: »

Do you not think having people to go and share the experience with makes a difference at all?

Not enough to stop me going to a match.

17-11-2019 06:25PM

Nokotan wrote: »

On the League of Ireland debate. I feel one of the main factors as to why people aren't going has been missed. Mates that also go.

I used to go to Cork City games in the early 90s, then moved back to Kerry. My then girlfriend was working in Cork and in the early 2000s went to a few games at Turners Cross, she came, went to pubs around there after, nods soon became chats etc But the big change was going to an away game. I made friends that weekend and in the first few City games that have stayed close friends to this day, we've been to each others weddings, family funerals, have holidayed together etc.

I fully get the idea that it's easier/better with friends. But it's very easy to make friends with fellows going. And once you do, you never know, some might be friends for life.

Anyway, enough cutesy crap from me. And on this of all threads.

17-11-2019 06:30PM

My Summer holiday this year will be spent following Bohs in Europe. Probably some backwater in Estonia and then out but sure look. My point is that the lads I'm going with are some of my best mates now, I knew none of them before I start going to games. You just end up chatting to someone at half time or following a great shot on target and then you see them again the next time. Maybe one of you says ''pint?'' and that's how it happens. I've mostly found people at LOI are glad to welcome new people in.

Say Your Number · 17-11-2019 08:23PM

Klopp's contrived wackiness.

noodler · 17-11-2019 08:36PM

ozzy jr wrote: »

That's an awful excuse, I can't believe you took the time to type that out and post it.

Thought it was quite honest and human tbh

eh i dunno · 17-11-2019 08:39PM

Players pulling out of international games due to injury and then miraculously are fine for club games a few days later. How many Liverpool players have withdrawn this week already. Robertson Henderson VVD Salah gomez. Wonder how many will be fit for Saturday. Its not just Liverpool either. Giggs did it for years

DeanAustin · 17-11-2019 11:08PM

Say Your Number wrote: »

Klopp's contrived wackiness.

Each to their own. I detest Liverpool but I can't dislike Klopp no matter how much I try. I think he's fantastic.

Guy:Incognito · 17-11-2019 11:38PM

Say Your Number wrote: »

Klopp's contrived wackiness.

Yeah. The sooner all managers look and sound the same the better.

Guy:Incognito · 17-11-2019 11:41PM

eh i dunno wrote: »

Players pulling out of international games due to injury and then miraculously are fine for club games a few days later. How many Liverpool players have withdrawn this week already. Robertson Henderson VVD Salah gomez. Wonder how many will be fit for Saturday. Its not just Liverpool either. Giggs did it for years

The attempts to force players to play internationals is ridiculous.

Threats of fines and bans.

If a player doesn't want to play an international game then that's fine, that should be the end of it. If the manager then chooses to not pick them because of it, then that's fine too. The international team isn't their employer. Players shouldn't have to retire to not have play internationals when they dont want to.

hots · 18-11-2019 10:47AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The attempts to force players to play internationals is ridiculous.

Threats of fines and bans.

If a player doesn't want to play an international game then that's fine, that should be the end of it. If the manager then chooses to not pick them because of it, then that's fine too. The international team isn't their employer. Players shouldn't have to retire to not have play internationals when they dont want to.

Agreed, it would stop some of the "injury" business too.

Fitz* · 18-11-2019 11:21AM

I think nobody is actually allowed to retire from International football, it's more of a gentleman's agreement that the FA of the particular nation will not select a player for the squad.

As far as I know, if a player is selected, he must report for duty. Unless there's an injury.

osarusan · 18-11-2019 12:13PM

We had this before didn't we, when Domenech continued to select Makelele, who had to report for duty due to the threat of automatic suspension at club level.

GLaDOS · 18-11-2019 12:48PM

Didn't Matip have some issue with Cameroon which meant he couldn't play for Liverpool even though he wasn't playing at the AFCON?

Infernum · 18-11-2019 01:31PM

The fact supporters of Club A think taunting supporters of Club B by bringing up the fact that their ailing side has won more major trophies than the other side proves anything.

There's a difference between being a team that has won major honours over a course of one hundred and something years, and being a team that can win major honours in modern conditions.

Corholio · 18-11-2019 02:17PM

Infernum wrote: »

The fact supporters of Club A think taunting supporters of Club B by bringing up the fact that their ailing side has won more major trophies than the other side proves anything.

There's a difference between being a team that has won major honours over a course of one hundred and something years, and being a team that can win major honours in modern conditions.

The Soccer forum Matrix would collapse upon itself and would reduce post counts by many by about 90% :P

the whole year inn · 18-11-2019 02:26PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The attempts to force players to play internationals is ridiculous.

Threats of fines and bans.

If a player doesn't want to play an international game then that's fine, that should be the end of it. If the manager then chooses to not pick them because of it, then that's fine too. The international team isn't their employer. Players shouldn't have to retire to not have play internationals when they dont want to.

If you selected by your country to play you should play. Its an honor and any attempt to fraud that you should be not be allowed to play for your country again .

hots · 18-11-2019 02:53PM

the whole year inn wrote: »

If you selected by your country to play you should play. Its an honor and any attempt to fraud that you should be not be allowed to play for your country again .

I don't think so, internationals aren't as important as they used to be, just like the domestic cups.

18-11-2019 03:51PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The attempts to force players to play internationals is ridiculous.

Threats of fines and bans.

If a player doesn't want to play an international game then that's fine, that should be the end of it. If the manager then chooses to not pick them because of it, then that's fine too. The international team isn't their employer. Players shouldn't have to retire to not have play internationals when they dont want to.

You could then have a situation where clubs could just pay players to skip matches, and it would devalue competitions like the World Cup which is still the premier football tournament.

hots wrote: »

I don't think so, internationals aren't as important as they used to be, just like the domestic cups.

Surely that depends...I regard tonight's game as a lot more important than, say, Sheffield United v Burnley.

ozzy jr · 18-11-2019 05:51PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You could then have a situation where clubs could just pay players to skip matches, and it would devalue competitions like the World Cup which is still the premier football tournament.

Surely that depends...I regard tonight's game as a lot more important than, say, Sheffield United v Burnley.

But would you regard Sheffield United v Burnley in a play off final more important than Denmark v Ireland in the first game on a qualifying group?

Things In Football That Grind Your Gears

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