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Feisar · 13-11-2019 1:03am

If someone takes something by the sword they have no right to be upset if the oppressed try to reclaim the taken by the sword.

13-11-2019 1:19am

Feisar wrote: »

If someone takes something by the sword they have no right to be upset if the oppressed try to reclaim the taken by the sword.

Is there a statute of limitations for that? Are we talking about the truly native natives to a territory, or pretty much everyone who is not the current controllers? Are the natives determined by their ethnicity, religion, or some other classification?

Tippsman · 13-11-2019 2:33am

Paddy Cow wrote: »

I don't think that works for heroin.

It would depends on the person.

Tony EH wrote: »

It doesn't really work with any highly addictive substance. It's and idiotic point of view and the one that every addict takes on their way.

Do you have personal experience with highly addictive substances?

In my unpopular opinion illegal drugs are ok in moderation.

Tony EH · 13-11-2019 3:01am

Tippsman wrote: »

In my unpopular opinion illegal drugs are ok in moderation.

What's your "opinion" based on?

NIMAN · 13-11-2019 3:04am

Tippsman wrote: »

Illegal drugs are ok in moderation.

Wrong.

All illegal drugs are funding criminal gangs.

NIMAN · 13-11-2019 3:05am

blueshade wrote: »

Senator Grealish has been accused of racism for querying where the 8 billion euro that's been sent from Ireland to Nigeria over the past 10 years has come from. I don't find that racist, I find it an extremely pertinent question, especially given that the issue was raised much further back than that but no answers were forthcoming. Given that the majority of Nigerians living in Ireland don't work one does have to wonder where the money is coming from and who it's going to in Nigeria.

I'd agree with you, but it was only Ruth Coppinger who accused him of being racist.

She is a populist, will say anything to get her name in the media and for people on social media to say "you're right Ruth".

What a dose.

Tacitus Kilgore · 13-11-2019 8:30am

NIMAN wrote: »

Wrong.

All illegal drugs are funding criminal gangs.

Wrong.

I grow mine, they don't fund anyone.

Mad_maxx · 13-11-2019 8:48am

Living a socially Conservative life is healthier and leaves you more content and happy

Feisar · 13-11-2019 9:42am

Deleted User wrote: »

Is there a statute of limitations for that? Are we talking about the truly native natives to a territory, or pretty much everyone who is not the current controllers? Are the natives determined by their ethnicity, religion, or some other classification?

Here I was basically saying brits and their poppy out!:pac::pac::pac:

13-11-2019 9:49am

NIMAN wrote: »

All illegal drugs are funding criminal gangs.

Naturally, which is why making them legal and regulated in a reasonable fashion would negate most of the income that criminal gangs receive. But it won't happen. Just as cigarettes have become a product to be sold illegally to avoid the excessive government taxes. The government will want their pound of flesh and that means that criminal gangs will continue to be funded.

Tippsman wrote: »

In my unpopular opinion illegal drugs are ok in moderation.

Depends on the drug. The simple fact is that most people are incapable of moderating their drug usage especially where addictive drugs are concerned. They go on binges. You see it all the time with Alcohol and that's a legal drug.

Whereas with cannabis, having a binge just whites you out, you puke or curl up somewhere and sleep. Perfect.

The point is that people binge on dangerous drugs and die. Personally, I say, let them. Remove some of the idiots from society. Take a step away from this nanny state situation.

13-11-2019 9:53am

Feisar wrote: »

Here I was basically saying brits and their poppy out!:pac::pac::pac:

Personally, I can't see why anyone from the Republic would want the North to rejoin the South. The North is a cesspit of negativity. If people really disliked the British so much, they should be encouraging them to stay in the North as it drags them down into the gutter, and financial ruin.

Another unpopular opinion, I guess.

Drumpot · 13-11-2019 9:56am

Deleted User wrote: »

Depends on the drug. The simple fact is that most people are incapable of moderating their drug usage especially where addictive drugs are concerned. They go on binges. You see it all the time with Alcohol and that's a legal drug.

Whereas with cannabis, having a binge just whites you out, you puke or curl up somewhere and sleep. Perfect.

The point is that people binge on dangerous drugs and die. Personally, I say, let them. Remove some of the idiots from society. Take a step away from this nanny state situation.

All drugs are potentially addictive, but my understanding with addiction is that generally a small percentage (10% in some studies) of people who use them will end up addicted. There was some very good studies done on soldiers coming home from war and the Americans thought there was going to be a heroin epidemic. Most soldiers gave it up when their environment changed.

Posts like this remind me how uninformed people are about drugs and addiction. In many regards people are addicted because of pain, emotional or physical pain and the world around them is not too empathetic or supportive to their troubles. Addicts aren't stupid either, many of them are very intelligent, the stupid comes from society that's too ignorant to bother amending how it treats them, usually at a much larger cost to addict and society.

BattleCorp · 13-11-2019 9:59am

NIMAN wrote: »

Wrong.

All illegal drugs are funding criminal gangs.

Supposing someone grows their own weed for their own personal consumption. How is that funding criminal gangs?

Feisar · 13-11-2019 10:05am

Deleted User wrote: »

Personally, I can't see why anyone from the Republic would want the North to rejoin the South. The North is a cesspit of negativity. If people really disliked the British so much, they should be encouraging them to stay in the North as it drags them down into the gutter, and financial ruin.

Another unpopular opinion, I guess.

Don't tell Francie but yea I'd be of the same opinion.

13-11-2019 10:07am

Drumpot wrote: »

All drugs are potentially addictive,

Everything is potentially addictive. :rolleyes:

but my understanding with addiction is that generally a small percentage (10% in some studies) of people who use them will end up addicted. There was some very good studies done on soldiers coming home from war and the Americans thought there was going to be a heroin epidemic. Most soldiers gave it up when their environment changed.

Yup. It's a generally accepted notion in habit changing.

Posts like this remind me how uninformed people are about drugs and addiction. In many regards people are addicted because of pain, emotional or physical pain and the world around them is not too empathetic or supportive to their troubles. Addicts aren't stupid either, many of them are very intelligent, the stupid comes from society that's too ignorant to bother amending how it treats them, usually at a much larger cost to addict and society.

Who is uninformed? You? Since you're suggesting that others are uninformed because they disagree with you, without any discussion to find out what they actually do know? :pac::pac::pac:

I don't particularly support this idea that everyone deserves consideration because it never ends. They become a drain on society because people expect greater degrees of support to help people who have no real interest in stopping being an addict. Most support systems are in place to maintain the addiction rather than remove it. In some cases, an addiction is linked to some condition which is permanent (pain treatment), and some measure of sympathy should be shown, but not to the extent of encouraging them to be a drain on society.

blueshade · 13-11-2019 10:25am

Feisar wrote: »

Here I was basically saying brits and their poppy out!:pac::pac::pac:

Is one bigoted forum on that subject not enough for you? You've been banging on with the anti Brit crap on a separate thread, park it there. We can ignore the 800 years headbangers by ignoring that thread.

blueshade · 13-11-2019 10:28am

Deleted User wrote: »

Personally, I can't see why anyone from the Republic would want the North to rejoin the South. The North is a cesspit of negativity. If people really disliked the British so much, they should be encouraging them to stay in the North as it drags them down into the gutter, and financial ruin.

Another unpopular opinion, I guess.

Exactly. The North has nothing to offer us except the cost of funding all their Social welfare, health, housing and educational expenses. If Britain turned around tomorrow and said here you go, it's all yours, we don't want it anymore then Ireland would be fooked. Ask a person in the Republic then if they want to pay all that extra money and there'd be a second revolution to prevent it.

Feisar · 13-11-2019 10:35am

blueshade wrote: »

Is one bigoted forum on that subject not enough for you? You've been banging on with the anti Brit crap on a separate thread, park it there. We can ignore the 800 years headbangers by ignoring that thread.

Unpopular opinion is... unpopular!!!

Midster · 13-11-2019 11:10am

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Wrong.

I grow mine, they don't fund anyone.

Hey snap!! Home grown these days is just so much better than you’d buy from any dealer, It’s easy to do, and plus, the street prices these days are LUDICROUS

Tacitus Kilgore · 13-11-2019 11:40am

Midster wrote: »

Hey snap!! Home grown these days is just so much better than you’d buy from any dealer, It’s easy to do, and plus, the street prices these days are LUDICROUS

Ah i dunno about that, i'm shite at it and most of it turns out fairly crap, but it's mine so I don't care.

Just got sick of paying €15/g to scummers for dirt.

Tony EH · 13-11-2019 11:48am

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Living a socially Conservative life is healthier and leaves you more content and happy

You don't seem even remotely "happy".

Drumpot · 13-11-2019 1:05pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Everything is potentially addictive. :rolleyes:

Yup. It's a generally accepted notion in habit changing.

Who is uninformed? You? Since you're suggesting that others are uninformed because they disagree with you, without any discussion to find out what they actually do know? :pac::pac::pac:

I don't particularly support this idea that everyone deserves consideration because it never ends. They become a drain on society because people expect greater degrees of support to help people who have no real interest in stopping being an addict. Most support systems are in place to maintain the addiction rather than remove it. In some cases, an addiction is linked to some condition which is permanent (pain treatment), and some measure of sympathy should be shown, but not to the extent of encouraging them to be a drain on society.

You really should consider reading up more on this topic. Try Johann Hari’ s books , they will at the very least challange what you think you know about addiction and then come back here and tell me if you still believe what you posted.

Mad_maxx · 13-11-2019 1:27pm

blueshade wrote: »

Exactly. The North has nothing to offer us except the cost of funding all their Social welfare, health, housing and educational expenses. If Britain turned around tomorrow and said here you go, it's all yours, we don't want it anymore then Ireland would be fooked. Ask a person in the Republic then if they want to pay all that extra money and there'd be a second revolution to prevent it.

Nonesense, markets hate borders, a united Ireland is costly on the face of it but offers tremendous economic growth long term

13-11-2019 1:27pm

Drumpot wrote: »

You really should consider reading up more on this topic. Try Johann Hari’ s books , they will at the very least challange what you think you know about addiction and then come back here and tell me if you still believe what you posted.

I've experimented with a wide variety of drugs. I've been addicted to various "substances" over my adult life (I'm in my 40s now), and got past those addictions with the exception of one. I have my own personal experience with addiction, observations of friends who are addicted to harder substances, and a degree in Psychology (which went heavily into the area of addiction from a psych pov, not that I particularly agree with them)

Once more, it's the case that I should read more, or that I'm uninformed because I don't agree with you.

13-11-2019 1:31pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Nonesense, markets hate borders, a united Ireland is costly on the face of it but offers tremendous economic growth long term

It offers a crap-ton of emotional issues, and a conflict with the idea of what being a republic means. Ireland has enough issues with it's politics without bringing in the mess that is Northern politics. We've managed to mostly put our past behind us, whereas many northerners are still firmly entrenched in their hatred of the British. And that's without mentioning the host of social/cultural issues that would arise with unification.

And your economic growth potential long term is a pipe dream.

blinding · 13-11-2019 1:32pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Nonesense, markets hate borders, a united Ireland is costly on the face of it but offers tremendous economic growth long term

Improve on the Unionists Half-Crown and it can all get very interesting .

Drumpot · 13-11-2019 2:09pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I've experimented with a wide variety of drugs. I've been addicted to various "substances" over my adult life (I'm in my 40s now), and got past those addictions with the exception of one. I have my own personal experience with addiction, observations of friends who are addicted to harder substances, and a degree in Psychology (which went heavily into the area of addiction from a psych pov, not that I particularly agree with them)

Once more, it's the case that I should read more, or that I'm uninformed because I don't agree with you.

In my experience, most people I have encountered in the field of psychology/medicine have a very poor understanding of addiction and an even poorer way of assisting people in overcoming this addiction.

Let me clear up what I think is fundamentally wrong with what you wrote.

- Addicts are a drain on society. How society treats them in terms of rehabilitation and by making them criminals (taking illegal subtsance) is more of a drain on everybody. The war on drugs is causing more problems then it solves. The issue isnt addicts, its how we treat and respond to them.

- You said addicts "Deserve some measure of sympathy". This doesnt mean anything and doesnt help anything at all. What addicts need is some level of respect and support, not sympathy. They need ways where its made easy for them to get back into society, sympathy doesnt do anything.

- You said "addicts dont want to stop", which is not accurate. Most addicts dont know how to stop, have no real meaninful supports and have no hope therefore dont see an alternative. Our way of dealing with them is either locking them up or getting them hooked on alternative drugs (methadone I believe my local pharmacist was telling me) because we just write them off. Who wants to be sober in a society that basically writes you off like that ?

I have an intimate connection to this topic but if you are happy that you know it all, I see no need to discuss this any further. I haven't said that you disagreeing with me makes you wrong nor have I implied I know it all on this topic. Its ironic you keep saying this because that's exactly what you are doing.

Hari's research would strongly challenge your comments that I believe are outdated and quite regressive in how they look at addiction and addicts. So yes, after reading his book you look very ill informed and misguided on this topic. Dont blame me, blame Hari for putting together such a compelling argument against how we treat addiction.

13-11-2019 2:21pm

Drumpot wrote: »

I haven't said that you disagreeing with me makes you wrong nor have I implied I know it all on this topic. Its ironic you keep saying this because that's exactly what you are doing.

Ahh irony. Perhaps reread what you wrote and consider your own part?

But yup. I see no point discussing it further with you... simply based on that above quotation. (You really should consider quoting someone and then responding, rather than putting their points into your own words, and responding... :rolleyes:)

Drumpot · 13-11-2019 2:36pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Ahh irony. Perhaps reread what you wrote and consider your own part?

But yup. I see no point discussing it further with you... simply based on that above quotation. (You really should consider quoting someone and then responding, rather than putting their points into your own words, and responding... :rolleyes:)

Self reflection is a practice I am very familiar with, I will review this discussion and see what I can learn. What won’t change is my opinion that what you wrote is outdated and/or misguided narrative on addiction and addicts.

13-11-2019 2:38pm

Drumpot wrote: »

Self reflection is a practice I am very familiar with, I will review this discussion and see what I can learn. What won’t change is my opinion that what you wrote is outdated and/or misguided narrative on addiction and addicts.

You should consider the importance of differences in people, and learn to accept them. The world would be a very boring place if everyone agreed with you.

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