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  • #2252
    digiman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭digiman


    bazz26 wrote: »
    I see some used G20 330i prices are starting to drop closer to 320i prices:

    https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2399979&r=s.php%3Fm%5B%5D%3D10%26o%5B%5D%3D86%26f%3D1%26yn%3D2019%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0
    https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2399984&r=s.php%3Fm%5B%5D%3D10%26o%5B%5D%3D86%26f%3D1%26yn%3D2019%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0

    Close to 10k off them, pity they didn't have the M-Sport Plus package, the alloys and tinted glass makes a big difference to the car for me.

    I wonder will we see any dealers with an M340i? If I could get one of them for same money as the Model 3 I could be persuaded I think.


  • #2253
    Heres Johnny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭Heres Johnny


    Depreciation severe as ever, but please people, keep buying well specced BMWs and Audis so I can buy them when you get bored. And keep them well minded too please.
    If someone could buy an A6 PHEV as soon as its released I'd be very grateful.
    Inspired by this thread though I'd love to give a 640d a shot.
    Mark N might be able to answer this for me... Is the 640d worth getting at all considering we have a 530d 141 and an A6 141 in the house already and I don't find the 530d anything to write home about over the A6 2.0 TDI, I give both a spirited drive and I certainly wouldn't agree the 530d premium is worth it.

    Is the 640d any better than a 530d or as an overall package is the 5 series the better car to live with day to day? I'd be pretty sure the 530d would be the one making way for the 6 if it was to happen


  • #2254
    bazz26
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,610 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    digiman wrote: »
    Close to 10k off them, pity they didn't have the M-Sport Plus package, the alloys and tinted glass makes a big difference to the car for me.

    I wonder will we see any dealers with an M340i? If I could get one of them for same money as the Model 3 I could be persuaded I think.

    I'd say they will be few and far between on these roads, any around will probably be BMW Ireland cars being retailed by chosen dealers with hefty asking prices. Figures crossed that they would reintroduce the BMW First Fleet Experience again but I won't hold by breath.
    Heres Johnny wrote: »
    Depreciation severe as ever, but please people, keep buying well specced BMWs and Audis so I can buy them when you get bored. And keep them well minded too please.
    If someone could buy an A6 PHEV as soon as its released I'd be very grateful.
    Inspired by this thread though I'd love to give a 640d a shot.
    Mark N might be able to answer this for me... Is the 640d worth getting at all considering we have a 530d 141 and an A6 141 in the house already and I don't find the 530d anything to write home about over the A6 2.0 TDI, I give both a spirited drive and I certainly wouldn't agree the 530d premium is worth it.

    Is the 640d any better than a 530d or as an overall package is the 5 series the better car to live with day to day? I'd be pretty sure the 530d would be the one making way for the 6 if it was to happen

    If your noticing a difference between a 530d and a 2.0TDi A6 then you probably won't notice a difference between either and a 640d either. Same probably goes for an A7.


  • #2255
    Wailin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,446 ✭✭✭Wailin


    Heres Johnny wrote: »
    Mark N might be able to answer this for me... Is the 640d worth getting at all considering we have a 530d 141 and an A6 141 in the house already and I don't find the 530d anything to write home about over the A6 2.0 TDI, I give both a spirited drive and I certainly wouldn't agree the 530d premium is worth it.

    You're not noticing much difference between a 258hp car and 177hp? Both roughly the same size and weight? There's over 2sec of a difference in 0-100km between the two cars and that is certainly very noticeable.

    I have the 535d which has the same engine as the 640d, 313hp. Quiet noticeable over the 530d, and in a different league to the 2.0l Audi. The 640d though is bigger and heavier so a tad slower than the 535d. I have never driven the 640d myself, but the size of the car would strike me as barge like in handling, but very comfortable. Interior is a big jump from the f10 too, reflected in the price when buying new.


  • #2256
    Wildly Boaring
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,715 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    Serious difference between 530d and 520d.
    Had f10 520d for a year. Never came around to the lack of power compared to 530d and 330d.

    Haven't driven a later a6.


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  • #2257
    Blazer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,484 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    I suppose it all depends on what exactly a spirited drive is.
    I drive a 525D which is about 30hp over a normal 520D.
    I definitely notice the difference in acceleration and getting to the higher speeds over the standard 520D.
    A 530 is significantly faster..0-100kph in 5 seconds and getting to 160kph is at least 6 seconds faster. That's a huge difference and would be extremely noticeable.

    For instance acceleration figures for a 14 530D against 14 A6 2l is night and day. If you're not seeing this then you're driving is not really pushing the car and you're better off getting a 520D.

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  • #2258
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,106 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Wildly Boaring wrote: »
    Serious difference between 530d and 520d.
    Had f10 520d for a year. Never came around to the lack of power compared to 530d and 330d.

    Haven't driven a later a6.

    I have and it's no comparison, from what's Jonny's said I'd be budgeting for a new turbo.


  • #2259
    carsfan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭carsfan2


    Heres Johnny wrote: »
    Depreciation severe as ever, but please people, keep buying well specced BMWs and Audis so I can buy them when you get bored. And keep them well minded too please.
    If someone could buy an A6 PHEV as soon as its released I'd be very grateful.
    Inspired by this thread though I'd love to give a 640d a shot.
    Mark N might be able to answer this for me... Is the 640d worth getting at all considering we have a 530d 141 and an A6 141 in the house already and I don't find the 530d anything to write home about over the A6 2.0 TDI, I give both a spirited drive and I certainly wouldn't agree the 530d premium is worth it.

    Is the 640d any better than a 530d or as an overall package is the 5 series the better car to live with day to day? I'd be pretty sure the 530d would be the one making way for the 6 if it was to happen

    I started a thread as was thinking of the 640d and one part of me still wishes I had gone for one. However, I am amazed that you don't notice a difference between a three litre six cylinder and a two litre four pot diesel. In my experience the three litre is a world apart from the two litre engines.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057845755


  • #2260
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,106 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    That's not even getting into ones a rwd.


  • #2261
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,089 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    To be fair I think he was saying the price to bang ratio wasn't worth it, ' I certainly wouldn't agree the 530d premium is worth it'.

    I didn't think he was suggesting there was no difference.


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  • #2262
    Heres Johnny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭Heres Johnny


    Augeo wrote: »
    To be fair I think he was saying the price to bang ratio wasn't worth it, ' I certainly wouldn't agree the 530d premium is worth it'.

    I didn't think he was suggesting there was no difference.

    Thanks, someone read it properly!
    I was saying I don't appreciate the difference enough between the 2 cars for what is a significant price increase. Unless flooring them both cars feel pretty similar in everyday, as both have plenty in them.
    Maybe I'm just into the comfort of them rather than the outright power.


  • #2263
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,106 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Then you should be driving a Volvo if your more of a comfort man.
    I don't know about the rest of chaps here but some of us grew up with BMW's and all that went with them. Maybe if your older before your get your first one you won't really understand what a hooligan of a car they are when pushed. 318is,530/535/640 all wepons of cars but you got to know how to drive them.

    A 530 in what ever forum is a different beast to a front wheel 1.9 Audi. The difference driving them should be apparent from the get go or at the very least from the first roundabout you enter.


  • #2264
    Heres Johnny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭Heres Johnny


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Then you should be driving a Volvo if your more of a comfort man.
    I don't know about the rest of chaps here but some of us grew up with BMW's and all that went with them. Maybe if your older before your get your first one you won't really understand what a hooligan of a car they are when pushed. 318is,530/535/640 all wepons of cars but you got to know how to drive them.

    A 530 in what ever forum is a different beast to a front wheel 1.9 Audi. The difference driving them should be apparent from the get go or at the very least from the first roundabout you enter.

    In 2004 when aged 20 I bought my first car, an e36 318is then had 2 x e46 318s. Before that it was just driving my mother's Peugeots, a 206 and a 307.
    In 08 I bought an e39 530i msport then moved to alfa when I bought a 156. Quickly enough I moved back to BMW because I missed them and got a 525i msport, then an e60 523i msport then a 530d f10 msport which I have 18 months now. So this is my 2nd 530 model and apart from 6 months in an alfa I've spent 15 years exclusively owning BMW. The 2001 530i was my favourite car of them all followed by the 525i which was an 04.

    12 months ago the missus bought an A6 despite me telling her she'd be better off in a petrol A3 or an A4 because she gets train to work and does small mileage but she never listens to me..... Because of this I drive both cars pretty regularly as I do decent country spins which they need.

    And I just don't see where the extra grunt (it is there when you really look for it so its not that I can't tell) is worth the (large) premium. Maybe flooring it from the toll booth on the motorways but that's it. Both cars will sit really happily at well in excess of speeds that will get you in serious trouble.

    That said when they get to 4 to 5 years old the price premium gap closes so its not as if I'm unhappy with the 530d,just that I wouldn't pay the purchase price when new over a 520d.

    The A6 is far nicer inside though.


  • #2265
    carsfan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭carsfan2


    I agree with your viewpoint @here'sJohnny and had the same debate when I changed last year. Went with the intention of buying a one year old 530d and bought a 520d after test driving both back to back. Day to day driving there is no real difference. The bigger engine sounds nicer and is smoother. Obviously acceleration is in a different league but how often do you floor it day to day?
    I think there was 5/6 grand difference to buy at one year old and this reduces as the years go on.If it was one or two I would have 530d but couldn't justify much more at the time also the 520 was a touring model which I really prefer.
    However I do fancy a larger engine or more performance orientated car when I change next


  • #2266
    carsfan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭carsfan2


    bazz26 wrote: »
    I see some used G20 330i prices are starting to drop closer to 320i prices:

    https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2399979&r=s.php%3Fm%5B%5D%3D10%26o%5B%5D%3D86%26f%3D1%26yn%3D2019%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0
    https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2399984&r=s.php%3Fm%5B%5D%3D10%26o%5B%5D%3D86%26f%3D1%26yn%3D2019%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0

    I agree with Digiman, they need the m sport plus pack.
    I would be surprised to see many new 330i's being sold new now that the 320i is available.
    i guess 340i's will be like hen's teeth here?


  • #2267
    Heres Johnny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭Heres Johnny


    carsfan2 wrote: »
    I agree with your viewpoint @here'sJohnny and had the same debate when I changed last year. Went with the intention of buying a one year old 530d and bought a 520d after test driving both back to back. Day to day driving there is no real difference. The bigger engine sounds nicer and is smoother. Obviously acceleration is in a different league but how often do you floor it day to day?
    I think there was 5/6 grand difference to buy at one year old and this reduces as the years go on.If it was one or two I would have 530d but couldn't justify much more at the time also the 520 was a touring model which I really prefer.
    However I do fancy a larger engine or more performance orientated car when I change next

    It's just that I tell myself I fancy a 640d because of the look of them, but wondering would I really appreciate it. Maybe not, and think the drawbacks of practicality over the 5 series due to the coupe styling might outweigh it for me. It would be the GC I'd be interested in but think I'm destined to stay in standard saloons for a while yet.


  • #2268
    carsfan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭carsfan2


    Heres Johnny wrote: »
    It's just that I tell myself I fancy a 640d because of the look of them, but wondering would I really appreciate it. Maybe not, and think the drawbacks of practicality over the 5 series due to the coupe styling might outweigh it for me. It would be the GC I'd be interested in but think I'm destined to stay in standard saloons for a while yet.

    You should read the thread I started on the 640d GC. I love the look too but in the end went 5 series. Still think they're a good looking car. Most are loaded with kit and are relatively affordable now. Day to day costs are ok too but if anything big goes wrong the bills can mount up.


  • #2269
    Heres Johnny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭Heres Johnny


    carsfan2 wrote: »
    You should read the thread I started on the 640d GC. I love the look too but in the end went 5 series. Still think they're a good looking car. Most are loaded with kit and are relatively affordable now. Day to day costs are ok too but if anything big goes wrong the bills can mount up.

    There's no real increase in insurance for me anyway. Tax and fuel will be fine too. Can't see the bills for repair being too severe over any other BMW either, plus I've a family member that is owner of a well known Dublin indy garage.


  • #2270
    Wailin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,446 ✭✭✭Wailin


    Blazer wrote: »
    I drive a 525D which is about 30hp over a normal 520D.
    I definitely notice the difference in acceleration and getting to the higher speeds over the standard 520D.

    Had the 525d F11 before the 535d. It's a great compromise between the 520d and 530d. Almost as quick as the 530d due to the much lighter engine (feels more nimble too)...plus a remap would bring it to 530d figures no problem. Just lacks the refinement of the straight six.


  • #2271
    Blazer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,484 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    Wailin wrote: »
    Had the 525d F11 before the 535d. It's a great compromise between the 520d and 530d. Almost as quick as the 530d due to the much lighter engine (feels more nimble too)...plus a remap would bring it to 530d figures no problem. Just lacks the refinement of the straight six.

    Ah yes that's the 2litre alpina remapped version plus its twin turbo over the single turbo in the 3litre
    Mine is a 2010 model which were all 3 litre so I have the option of remapping it to about 250-300hp but 250hp would be fine, its basically a detuned 530d engine but just one turbo.
    If the missus weren't taking up driving in it I'd have it remapped already.
    She refuses to learn in a manual so I'm left with the option of a learner driver learning to drive in a 3litre bmw...how many bloody learners can say that lol?


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  • #2272
    Heres Johnny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭Heres Johnny


    Blazer wrote: »
    Ah yes that's the 2litre alpina remapped version plus its twin turbo over the single turbo in the 3litre
    Mine is a 2010 model which were all 3 litre so I have the option of remapping it to about 250-300hp but 250hp would be fine, its basically a detuned 530d engine but just one turbo.
    If the missus weren't taking up driving in it I'd have it remapped already.
    She refuses to learn in a manual so I'm left with the option of a learner driver learning to drive in a 3litre bmw...how many bloody learners can say that lol?

    My fiance never had interest in driving so I put her on insurance and she learned from me in an e60 523i automatic for a few months then an auto 530d f10 for a few months before having the balls to do an actual manual driving lesson with an instructor. Hated the manual and hated the opel corsa he had. Did them quick enough applied for a test and passed and went out and bought an auto Audi A6 auto straight away. Which she drives feck all. Can drop me to the pub now though which is great. Up to passing the test she could only drive with me or another fully licenced driver accompanying her


  • #2273
    MetzgerMeister
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,920 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    Blazer wrote: »
    Mine is a 2010 model which were all 3 litre so I have the option of remapping it to about 250-300hp but 250hp would be fine, its basically a detuned 530d engine but just one turbo.

    The 30d engine is a single turbo. It's called "Twin Power Turbo" due to it being a twin scroll turbo. 35d engines have twin turbos and the diesel M cars have 3.


  • #2274
    MarkN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,534 ✭✭✭MarkN


    I always sound the 640d fairly quick combined with the levels of torque. I wouldn’t call it barge like but it’s not a 3 series either.

    Cosmetically inside there’s a few differences to the F10 but it won’t feel like a massively different car to look at either. That said, the wrap around dash looks classy, the seats look cool, the rear in both options of the car are not massive. I only noticed a few weeks ago preparing tax returns that I was putting €35 into it every 10 days or so. Sure, I don’t do big miles but for performance versus running costs it really is quite something.


  • #2275
    digiman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭digiman


    Any suggestions on a car for 2-3 months? Looks like I’ve got a buyer for my own car and could really do with something that I won’t lose to much on and will be easy to sell on afterwards.

    Something fun would be nice! Would I get an older gti or golf R for under 10k?


  • #2276
    MarkN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,534 ✭✭✭MarkN


    Something you won’t lose money on starts with €1,000 and ends at €1,000 for 3 months. Or rent a car.


  • #2277
    Heres Johnny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭Heres Johnny


    digiman wrote: »
    Any suggestions on a car for 2-3 months? Looks like I’ve got a buyer for my own car and could really do with something that I won’t lose to much on and will be easy to sell on afterwards.

    Something fun would be nice! Would I get an older gti or golf R for under 10k?

    I wouldn't bother if it's definitely for short term.
    Bangernomics then dispose of it however you can then get what you really want when you're ready. You'll really appreciate the nice new car then if you drive a banger or a budget car for a while. And you won't lose much money. I take my cars for granted but when I drive something else like my mother's micra, my brothers focus and especially my father's horse of a yoke Toyota Hilux I really appreciate getting back into my own.


  • #2278
    carsfan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭carsfan2


    digiman wrote: »
    Any suggestions on a car for 2-3 months? Looks like I’ve got a buyer for my own car and could really do with something that I won’t lose to much on and will be easy to sell on afterwards.

    Something fun would be nice! Would I get an older gti or golf R for under 10k?

    Don’t spend anything like that sort of money if it’s only 2/3 months. Look in bangernomics thread for something that will get you about in safety and you can move on again.
    I assume you’re waiting on the model 3. Can they tell you when it will be here?
    Did you do ok selling the touring? I’d be very interested in what they’re worth as I have the same car mines a 2017 M-Sport with all the toys which I think you have too. PM if you prefer.


  • #2279
    digiman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭digiman


    Yeah, your probably all right. My brother has a golf that I might get the lend of which would be ideal for a while.

    2 weeks ago Tesla told me it would be January most likely, they will need to get a move on. I’m very excited about it but I’m also in a good position now once I close the deal on my own that I could potentially go to the UK before Brexit and pick up a nice 6 cylinder but will try not to jump the gun on that


  • #2280
    carsfan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭carsfan2


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmBHGLpYQEw


    Joe Achilles reckons the m340i x drive is a cut price M5 in his round up review.
    Hopefully one or two of these might make it to Ireland.


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  • #2281
    Wailin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,446 ✭✭✭Wailin


    Is there much of a difference in the price between a 340i and 540i? Would love that engine, but will be 2 yrs, when the big depreciation is done, before I'd even consider one. Reckon they will be as rare here as the 535i/335i versions were.


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