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ESB eCars pricing introduction

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  • #512
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Did anyone see this on the ecars website ?

    I was about to sign up when I saw this.

    "Note: To ensure a charge point is available for the next user, an overstay fee of €5 will apply for charging sessions longer than 45 minutes."

    https://esb.ie/ecars/price-plans/pay-as-you-go


  • #513
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,139 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Did anyone see this on the ecars website ?

    I was about to sign up when I saw this.

    "Note: To ensure a charge point is available for the next user, an overstay fee of €5 will apply for charging sessions longer than 45 minutes."

    https://esb.ie/ecars/price-plans/pay-as-you-go
    Yup
    Delighted


  • #514
    ei9go
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭ei9go


    If you try to sign up to the pay as you go option, they want to take an immediate 20 euro from you!!!!!!!


  • #515
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ei9go wrote: »
    If you try to sign up to the pay as you go option, they want to take an immediate 20 euro from you!!!!!!!

    No way, I didn't get that far, Ridiculous !

    They should warn people who sign up about the 5 euro by letter , sms, email etc and have it on a sign.


  • #516
    JohnC.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    It's €20 credit, not just a charge of €20.


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  • #517
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    ei9go wrote: »
    If you try to sign up to the pay as you go option, they want to take an immediate 20 euro from you!!!!!!!

    Imagine that! Ludacris! Unlike how every other pay as you go service works (mobile, pay as you go energy, pay as you go tolls) :rolleyes:

    @Mad_Lad, are you serious about the €5 fee and them plastering it everywhere? Pop a notice at every charger about the 45 minute rule. Job done. If people don't read signage it's their own fault, like those who assume parking is free when charging.


  • #518
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,904 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Did anyone see this on the ecars website ?

    I was about to sign up when I saw this.

    "Note: To ensure a charge point is available for the next user, an overstay fee of €5 will apply for charging sessions longer than 45 minutes."

    https://esb.ie/ecars/price-plans/pay-as-you-go

    That's the best news about the whole gig.


  • #519
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No way, I didn't get that far, Ridiculous !

    They should warn people who sign up about the 5 euro by letter , sms, email etc and have it on a sign.

    You of all people thinking an overstay fee is ridiculous, how many times have you lorded over us mere mortal BEV drivers, that the REX has helped you beat the blockages caused by long staying drivers.

    i thinks 'tis a bit Mad!


  • #520
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    liamog wrote: »
    You of all people thinking an overstay fee is ridiculous, how many times have you lorded over us mere mortal BEV drivers, that the REX has helped you beat the blockages caused by long staying drivers.

    i thinks 'tis a bit Mad!

    A bit mad you say ? , so tell me this where in the text above shows I disapprove or said it’s ridiculous ? :D

    Mad indeed !


  • #521
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Deleted User wrote: »
    A bit mad you say ? , so tell me this where in the text above shows I disapprove or said it’s ridiculous ? :D

    Mad indeed !

    It sounded like you quit the sign up in disgust! Maybe you just got excited and came here to report the news :D


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  • #522
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Yup
    Delighted

    Will it detect fraud? Charge, disconnect at 44:59, connect again, charge again.


  • #523
    ethernet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭ethernet


    McGiver wrote: »
    Will it detect fraud? Charge, disconnect at 44:59, connect again, charge again.

    This attempt to get around the charge is called out explicitly in the terms and conditions. So yes.


  • #524
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    That's the best news about the whole gig.

    Well thanks to you that you asked them directly about the overstay charge. This note hadn't been there before you asked, so I suspect they added it there after your inquiry...


  • #525
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    ethernet wrote: »
    This attempt to get around the charge is called out explicitly in the terms and conditions. So yes.

    Excellent. Would be great if they would automatically charge the fee to a person who initiates two charging sessions in a row - that's easy to detect.


  • #526
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ei9go wrote: »
    If you try to sign up to the pay as you go option, they want to take an immediate 20 euro from you!!!!!!!
    Deleted User wrote: »
    No way, I didn't get that far, Ridiculous !

    They should warn people who sign up about the 5 euro by letter , sms, email etc and have it on a sign.
    liamog wrote: »
    It sounded like you quit the sign up in disgust! Maybe you just got excited and came here to report the news :D

    No you just read my response to ei9go and got confused, it's ok it happens ! :D


  • #527
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    Black_Knight wrote: »
    Imagine that! Ludacris! Unlike how every other pay as you go service works (mobile, pay as you go energy, pay as you go tolls) :rolleyes:

    @Mad_Lad, are you serious about the €5 fee and them plastering it everywhere? Pop a notice at every charger about the 45 minute rule. Job done. If people don't read signage it's their own fault, like those who assume parking is free when charging.

    In fact, there's so many examples of this in different sorts of services we all use....fine print stuff almost everywhere and no one displays that anywhere. Read the T&Cs otherwise nobody cares - your problem.


  • #528
    innrain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭innrain


    McGiver wrote: »
    Will it detect fraud? Charge, disconnect at 44:59, connect again, charge again.
    3.3 A breach by You of these Terms of Service may, at Our sole discretion, result in the suspension of Your Account and/or the termination of the Agreement by Us.
    [..]
    3.3.3 You repeatedly avoid the overstay fee as specified in the Price Plan Terms and Conditions, in a clear and unambiguous attempt to lengthen Your charge time, and circumvent the application of the overstay fee by;
    [..]
    3.3.3.2 Starting another charge on the same Charge Point from the same Account within a nominal time period (5 minutes) following the ending of the first charge.
    I think 3.3.3 would cover using two account for the same car. How would they know? :)


  • #529
    tom_tarbucket
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭tom_tarbucket


    im being silly here, but im not sure of which one I would choose. I am only an occasional rapid charge user. not sure which option is best.

    See attached.


  • #530
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    tom_tarbucket wrote: »
    im being silly here, but im not sure of which one I would choose. I am only an occasional rapid charge user. not sure which option is best.

    See attached.

    Choose the free subscription for the first twelve months!


  • #531
    tom_tarbucket
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭tom_tarbucket


    liamog wrote: »
    Choose the free subscription for the first twelve months!

    ok, I see the 'pay as you go' 33c option has this:

    "Free ESB charge point access card worth €10. Initial top up of €20 required (Pre Pay only)"


    so looks like the pay as you go has an upfront charge whereas the introductory offer has no fee .


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  • #532
    JohnC.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    tom_tarbucket wrote: »
    ok, I see the 'pay as you go' 33c option has this:

    "Free ESB charge point access card worth €10. Initial top up of €20 required (Pre Pay only)"


    so looks like the pay as you go has an upfront charge whereas the introductory offer has no fee .

    It's not a charge. It's credit. That's how PAYG works. You need money in your account. Just like phone credit, pre-pay electricity, etc.


  • #533
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    McGiver wrote: »
    In fact, there's so many examples of this in different sorts of services we all use....fine print stuff almost everywhere and no one displays that anywhere. Read the T&Cs otherwise nobody cares - your problem.

    Yeah but that's no good to the person who has to charge if a car is overstaying their 45 min charge, the more people are aware the better.

    A simple sign

    45 mins max stay or 5 Euro fee etc. Not difficult.


  • #534
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That's nuts, the new charge point map you see after registering says when the current charge was started.

    This is Thomastown Kilkenny.

    Session started at: 8:56:55 AM

    Is there a new app by any chance ?


  • #535
    Mickeroo
    Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,787 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    That's nuts, the new charge point map you see after registering says when the current charge was started.

    This is Thomastown Kilkenny.

    Session started at: 8:56:55 AM

    Is there a new app by any chance ?

    What's nuts?

    New app isn't out yet but you can use the browser version on phone.


  • #536
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    What's nuts?

    .

    The fact you can see when the charge was started so you know how long a car is plugged in.


  • #537
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm not sure I think the "reserved" feature is or will be a good idea ?

    How is that going to work ?

    You say I want to be at charger A at 18:05 and the charger is reserved ?

    You get to charger A at 18:15 due to traffic and the charger is free or still reserved and if it's still reserved that means it's been unusable for 10 mins ?

    Or , what if you are charging and it comes up to the reserve time , will it shut off charging to your car ?

    No, I think all that is a bad idea ?


  • #538
    mickdw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,899 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Surely if you reserve it for any given time, anyone who plugs in before that time will be clearly notified that x minutes charging only available.
    Yes it will result in some unused chargers but if the person who reserved has to pay for the reserved period, it's good business.


  • #539
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    mickdw wrote: »
    Surely if you reserve it for any given time, anyone who plugs in before that time will be clearly notified that x minutes charging only available.
    Yes it will result in some unused chargers but if the person who reserved has to pay for the reserved period, it's good business.

    I don't know about reserving chargers, it just doesn't seem right but maybe after reading some comments I might have a different view.


  • #540
    this.lad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭this.lad


    reboot wrote: »
    Ecarni,( Not of this planet), inform me a charge of 33 cents per unit will be applied. If I'm not mistaken that's around 3 times the 8p/ unit I pay at present on Economy 7.

    All I could think of when i read this...

    https://twitter.com/JulieMaher77/status/951578862537859072?s=19


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  • #541
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,904 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    I'm totally against the concept of reserving chargers.

    Hopefully if they do introduce it, there will be an extortionate fee for the priveledge.


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