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Rugby World Cup Final 2019 Eng vs S Africa

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  • #632
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,714 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Tournament rugby...tournament anything.
    It is not over until it is over.

    As clinical a dispatch as you are likely to see in a RWC final.

    There is nothing, not a forward pass, ref decision, or injury that can take away from the fact that SA were better in every aspect of the game from the off.

    Was always likely to happen if SA got any kind of foothold, I am just amazed they got it with hardly a whimper in return.

    Enjoyed that final and the WC tbh.


  • #633
    Exclamation Marc
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    shootermacg wrote: »
    So did Aki.
    But people saying the team deserve to lose because of it is a bit much.
    Does that mean Ireland deserve to lose? It's a bit of a simple world view to have.

    In fairness, Aki rolled right back and said he liked it without reading it.

    Vunipola doubled down. Whether you buy or accept the excuse, it was still worldly different.


  • #634
    flazio
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    The type of class you would expect from a gentleman like Jeremy Clarkson. :D
    https://www.instagram.com/p/B4XH23PAQ8I/?igshid=1qys61lcenpf0

    This too shall pass.



  • #635
    Exclamation Marc
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    flazio wrote: »
    The type of class you would expect from a gentleman like Jeremy Clarkson. :D
    https://www.instagram.com/p/B4XH23PAQ8I/?igshid=1qys61lcenpf0

    Just... Weird


  • #636
    SharpshooterTom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭SharpshooterTom


    England's rugby fans are classy though, gracious in defeat so far.

    Wish their loyalist sympathising football fans could learn a thing from them. Chalk and cheese in terms of behaviour.


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  • #637
    Vital Transformation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Vital Transformation


    No question of a forward pass in the first try for me.


  • #638
    ednwireland
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    TheCitizen wrote: »
    The arrogance was prior to the match. South Africa far superior but England thought they had it in the bag after the semi final. Wonderful to see such arrogance firmly put in its place.

    rubbish eddie jones said in interviews during the week that they needed to step up another level for the final (it seems thats a level they didnt have) i dont think anyone said they had it in the bag most commentators and press did but it just goes to show you can never guarantee sport

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  • #639
    RugbyLover123
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    shootermacg wrote: »
    Jacques Nienaber is going to be in huge demand after this world cup. He's probably the best defensive coach in the world right now.

    That title changes by the week. Mitchell was seen as the best this time last week.


  • #640
    Blackheath
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭Blackheath


    Should make the Lions tour even more interesting taking on the World Champions


  • #641
    ednwireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,734 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    shows how to beat england, beat them upfront and slow the ball down

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  • #642
    awec
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    ednwireland wrote: »
    shows how to beat england, beat them upfront and slow the ball down

    This is how you beat every single team. :)

    If your pack dominates you will win the game. Backs spend their time defending or clearing out rucks.


  • #643
    Naggdefy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭Naggdefy


    ednwireland wrote: »
    shows how to beat england, beat them upfront and slow the ball down

    You beat any team upfront you generally win.

    That has happened on successive weeks. Rugby is essentially a fight first and foremost.


  • #644
    Gods Gift
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    FAN FOOKIN TASTIC.


  • #645
    Naggdefy
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    Naggdefy wrote: »
    You beat any team upfront you generally win.

    That has happened on successive weeks. Rugby is essentially a fight first and foremost.

    Why Leavy was a loss to us. Very physical. Decline in performance from some others in the pack.


  • #646
    SharpshooterTom
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    As soon as England took out NZ South Africa knew the door was open to them. They'd much rather play England than NZ, despite all the hype. Their eyes must have lit up.

    They have a good record against England.

    26-15. Won 14 out of the last 18.

    4-1 in World Cups too.

    By contrast they are 25-25 against Australia.


  • #647
    twinytwo
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    England got dragged into a dog fight against SA, the one thing they love to do.....


  • #648
    awec
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    I think England are carrying a few passengers in their squad. If the English pack gets on top they're well capable of carrying them, but if the pack is not dominating (even if the opposition gets parity) then the cracks show very quickly.

    Ben Youngs is terrible. Can't pass, runs sideways with the ball. Daly is a winger, not a full back. Cole is in the English team for 1 reason and 1 reason only, and that's to scrum, so when he can't even do that he's an empty shirt. It's a double problem since Vunipola is not known for his scrummaging. And I am not sure about Lawes against beefy teams, think Kruis would have been a better pick.


  • #649
    nacho libre
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    Naggdefy wrote: »
    You beat any team upfront you generally win.

    That has happened on successive weeks. Rugby is essentially a fight first and foremost.

    Jones was out smarted by Erasmus, but having said that i don't think any other team would have been capable of executing that kind of gameplan. Vunipola, who is usually such a dominant force, with his bloodied face and head bandage summed up the game. He and his backrow team mates were physicially dominated.


  • #650
    Naggdefy
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    nacho libre wrote: »
    Jones was out smarted by Erasmus, but having said that i don't think any other team would have been capable of executing that kind of gameplan. Vunipola, who is usually such a dominant force, with his bloodied face and head bandage summed up the game. He and his backrow team mates were physicially dominated.

    And when you see him being driven backwards. I'm sure training and prep was excellent for England but they had the appearance of a team that expected things to happen rather than make them.

    Also hard to play 3 top notch games in a row.

    Faf de Klerk is a canny little fella. So composed compared to Youngs too.


  • #651
    SharpshooterTom
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    Utah_Saint wrote: »
    I feel disappointed for England...they've clearly been the best team in 2019. SA only decided to play rugby in this final

    Lol no they haven't.

    Didn't win the 6 nations, couldn't even beat Scotland at home.

    Made light work of Ireland this year but that wasn't exactly difficult.


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  • #652
    nacho libre
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    One positive from this outcome is that the next lions tour will be a bit more interesting now!


  • #653
    Naggdefy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭Naggdefy


    Really the SA game plan is not unlike our own at best.

    Just they are usually a more physical side than us and when you have a history behind you like theirs it helps!


  • #654
    nacho libre
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    Naggdefy wrote: »
    And when you see him being driven backwards. I'm sure training and prep was excellent for England but they had the appearance of a team that expected things to happen rather than make them.

    Also hard to play 3 top notch games in a row.

    Faf de Klerk is a canny little fella. So composed compared to Youngs too.

    Yeah De Klerk is a brilliant player.
    I don't want to make excuses for England, but as you suggest perhaps mentally their final was last week, and it allowed South Africa to come in as underdogs. They started the game more fired up.


  • #655
    FrancieBrady
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    ThomasFlynn wrote: »
    As soon as England took out NZ South Africa knew the door was open to them. They'd much rather play England than NZ, despite all the hype. Their eyes must have lit up.

    They have a good record against England.

    26-15. Won 14 out of the last 18.

    4-1 in World Cups too.

    By contrast they are 25-25 against Australia.

    They'd have beaten all comers today with a gameplan like that.

    England simply couldn't come up with an answer and neither would NZ.


  • #656
    Naggdefy
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    SA most successful WC team 3/7. NZ 3/9.

    That's a serious stat.


  • #657
    SharpshooterTom
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    How brilliant was South Africa's defence in that 15+ odd phase by England in the first half. Tuilagi and Vunipola battering them on the line and they somehow held out and restricted them to 3. England would've taken the lead otherwise.

    Think that was the moment the game won looking back on it now. Sums up South Africa today.


  • #658
    JoeyDoh
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    Did Frans Steyn get on?


  • #659
    joeguevara
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    hqdefault.jpg

    England in the final.


  • #660
    Naggdefy
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    Also SA never lost a final.


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  • #661
    awec
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    Naggdefy wrote: »
    Really the SA game plan is not unlike our own at best.

    Just they are usually a more physical side than us and when you have a history behind you like theirs it helps!

    As you say, SA game plan is not unlike Ireland's at all, but they have a pack capable of doing it at the very highest levels and we do not.

    Even Ireland at their peak last year would not be able to dominate like SA did today. England were minced.


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