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Rugby World Cup Final 2019 Eng vs S Africa

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    This was said in the English press after the Semi Final;

    "Can England play that well again? Even if not, then even at 70% that could be enough to beat either Wales or South Africa."

    It was printed in The Guardian just after the win over New Zealand. I think the article has been removed since but it was said in print.

    Don't like the truth? Suck it up. Quit your sycophantic pro-English gibberish.

    What, exactly, is wrong with that statement?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    and also those one quote equate for a whole nation??

    watchin & listening to english media & team since the final they're nearly all in unison in saying SA were by far the better team, no sour grapes whatsoever


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    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    I am guessing that you didn't read any Irish newspapers or websites in the year or 2 before the RWC. And that you didn't listen to any Irish rugby pundits or watch any Irish rugby shows. There were numerous occasions where the Irish team was talked up as potential world champions. Before the QF, Heaslip said that he wouldn't take any of the AB players over their Irish counterparts. I think BOD said something similar before the English match in the 6N this year.


    Did Heaslip actually say that?!



    BOD's quote isn't as outrageous considering we were coming off a very good year and were big favourites against England at home.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Did Heaslip actually say that?!



    BOD's quote isn't as outrageous considering we were coming off a very good year and were big favourites against England at home.

    Almost, but not quite. He said that NZ might take one or two of Ireland's players :D

    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/rugby-world-cup-tv-view-this-one-is-on-jamie-heaslip-1.4056687


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,185 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    BOD's quote isn't as outrageous considering we were coming off a very good year and were big favourites against England at home.

    True. My point was that pundits and experts from every country have a tendency to indulge in a bit of hyperbole and that its not exclusive to England (as the other poster was saying). Also I have no real issue with a bit of hype and smack talk from fans and pundits in the pre-match. Its entertainment. And its much better than endless negativity.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,361 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    True. My point was that pundits and experts from every country have a tendency to indulge in a bit of hyperbole and that its not exclusive to England (as the other poster was saying). Also I have no real issue with a bit of hype and smack talk from fans and pundits in the pre-match. Its entertainment. And its much better than endless negativity.

    Where did you pull that Heaslip comment from?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,025 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    i laughed out loud in the car on my own the week of the final, when the radio was asking people for predictions and everyone was on the England buzz after hammering NZ. So it was all england this and that and then over to Drico.."i have to say England" and then over to ROG :)

    Well Rog are england going to be champions???
    ROG "ehhhhhhhhh ..............no.

    and then expertly tore them apart like SA did!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,185 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    P.Walnuts wrote: »
    Where did you pull that Heaslip comment from?

    He said it live on TV pre-match. I can't remember his exact words but it was something along the lines of he wouldn't swap any of the Irish team for any of the ABs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,710 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    What, exactly, is wrong with that statement?

    Are you serious, the statement where they thought they could beat S Africa or Wales at 70%? You don't see anything wrong with that:pac:

    Very strange attitude round here.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The performance against NZ was phenomenal. One of the best performances I've seen. Saying performing at 70% of that could be enough to beat SA or Wales doesn't seem like a huge stretch to be honest.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,710 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    The performance against NZ was phenomenal. One of the best performances I've seen. Saying performing at 70% of that could be enough to beat SA or Wales doesn't seem like a huge stretch to be honest.
    :pac:

    As a matter of interest how did you think NZ performed in the semi final? I think they froze completely. Yes Eng;land were much the better team but NZ had several chances to get back in the game but they never got that purple patch they got v South Africa. In hindsight NZ weren't at all what they were cracked up to be and South Africa were the worthy World cup winners when they defeated England with ease.

    England at 70% could have been good enough to win a World Cup Final? You're havin a laugh. A stupid and foolish comment indicative of the folly that routinely overcomes the English when they have a team that wins a game or two. Watching them get carried away and then come up short is tremendous fun.


  • Subscribers Posts: 42,862 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    i love entrenched arguments about hyperbole and subjectiveness :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,185 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    :pac:

    As a matter of interest how did you think NZ performed in the semi final? I think they froze completely. Yes Eng;land were much the better team but NZ had several chances to get back in the game but they never got that purple patch they got v South Africa. In hindsight NZ weren't at all what they were cracked up to be and South Africa were the worthy World cup winners when they defeated England with ease.

    England at 70% could have been good enough to win a World Cup Final? You're havin a laugh. A stupid and foolish comment indicative of the folly that routinely overcomes the English when they have a team that wins a game or two. Watching them get carried away and then come up short is tremendous fun.

    Jerry Flannery was saying that NZ had more offloads, line breaks and metres made than England but the Poms were desperate, scrambled brilliantly, made vital tackles that stopped any momentum. I think most people felt they wouldn't need to play at that level beat SA or Wales (based on how those teams had performed to that point). Turns out England did need to be near that level in the final.

    I just don't understand why you think only English media and fans make hyperbolic statements before matches. Every country does it. I've given you examples.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,710 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    Jerry Flannery was saying that NZ had more offloads, line breaks and metres made than England but the Poms were desperate, scrambled brilliantly, made vital tackles that stopped any momentum. I think most people felt they wouldn't need to play at that level beat SA or Wales (based on how those teams had performed to that point). Turns out England did need to be near that level in the final.

    I just don't understand why you think only English media and fans make hyperbolic statements before matches. Every country does it. I've given you examples.

    They all do to a certain extent yeah but the English beat the band at it. To say that a 70% performance would be enough to beat S Africa or Wales was really stupid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 831 ✭✭✭hahashake


    How anyone can say the 70% comment wasn't stupid is beyond me. It completely ignores the fact that there are two teams playing. No team is a given level, if England can play at 70% then who says NZ weren't? Or SA weren't vs Wales or NZ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,710 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    hahashake wrote: »
    How anyone can say the 70% comment wasn't stupid is beyond me. It completely ignores the fact that there are two teams playing. No team is a given level, if England can play at 70% then who says NZ weren't? Or SA weren't vs Wales or NZ?

    Thank fook, I thought I was going mad there for a moment that I was the only one on this thread who thought that the 70% comment in the British press was ridiculously arrogant and really really stupid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Analysis of one game by an occasional viewer of the sport may have some limitations but when did that stop anyone? The final reminded me of the first Lions test match in SA in 2009 when, if I recall directly, Vickery came to grief in the scrum against the same Mtawarira while Julian White was left at home. The critical challenge against SA is to to match them up front in the set pieces; forward mobility in the loose is slightly less vital than against NZ. Losing Sinckler (who was excellent in this WC and really upped his discipline) was just bad luck but I think they should have started with Marler rather than Mako at loosehead. The scrum stabilised after he came on. Perhaps England didn’t modify their gameplan enough?

    Regarding the backs, I have never been a fan of Farrell at 12 but he was behind a losing scrum and Cheslin was in a mood to make anyone look silly in that run for the try. Youngs had a bad game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Here’s Jones second-guessing himself. I agree that Marler and Ford should not have started but I don’t see the point of him saying that in public now. In a way, it’s blaming them for the loss and a coach should not do that:

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/nov/16/england-eddie-jones-selection-mistakes-rugby-world-cup-final


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