Dublin - Building heights

bk wrote: »

It is certainly common in similar sized European cities to have commuter towns, which consist of 10 storey buildings with shops, etc. on the ground floor, clustered around a high quality metro station from where the residents commute into the city.

Cherrywood can be a good example of this development model. But as you say the missing link is "high quality" and "metro". The Luas green line needs to be upgraded for this type of development.

I know we are trying to reduce our reliance on private car use but I can't understand how Cherrywood got the go ahead without the upgrading of the southern part of the m50 to 3 plus aux lane. Both the Luas and m50 are going to be a disaster once its fully occupied.

Five floor bollocks a stones throw from the luas. 9-10 floor residential building going up beside Dundrum town centre. You have the coast in one side , the mountains on other. There is still this strip that can accommodate relatively high density schemes on the luas line and they are making a total balls of it. The metro being ditched out to there is a disaster. When that land is built on and wasted , nowhere in Dublin is getting a new rail line with that opportunity again , other than Dublin metro out to past swords. Makes a mockery of their claim about sustainability and being serious about the housing crisis ...

The obvious alternative is to build up in the city so people there can have a walking commute!!!!!

marno21 wrote: »

Dublin is learning the hard way that “mass transit” and “street running” are not compatible with one another.

Every railway system in Dublin has flaws which hinder it. The Luas has the low capacity street sections. The DART has the level crossings, lack of space for expansion, twin tracks, and the sharing of the line with intercity, commuter and freight services.

This new policy of building dense residential schemes beside transit line which are already rammed full at peak times with limited expansion capabilities is going to lead to problems, but in reality there is no alternative.

totally agree. given the way things work here, its the best thing that can happen, when the carnage reaches a certain level, theyll have to do something with the lines, it will be YIMBY and I'd say it will drown out the NIMBY morons massively!

ncounties wrote: »

All for this but it would still require high quality public transport infrastructure, otherwise every streetscape will continue to be dominated by car based transport, the pavements will remain the same width, but we'll have tens of thousands of more people using them. It's already difficult enough walking around some parts of the city as it is.

While we obviously do need superior PT, extending pavements to take over car space isn't that difficult.

I take it the tweet was deleted, as it's a dead link for me.

prunudo wrote: »

Did anyone get a screenshot of it.

https://twitter.com/lynyrd_cohyn/status/1196477376814862336

MrAbyss wrote: »

Is being a psychotic a prerequisite for running for office in this county?

you have to be extremely backwards and be anti everything! Imagine someone ran on a YIMBY platform, instead of the usual scare mongering one all those fools compete over!

Yeah. It's a big shame that DCC are objecting these plans to improve the Docklands overtime.

It has to be said there is a lot of prime real estate out there in that part of the city that can provide a huge potential of suitable housing in some shape or form when the population of the city gets increased over the next few years. I remember walking through part of that area near the 3 arena before a few years ago. I was shocked & saddened about the amount of land potential that was just left there rotting to waste with nothing of any use to anyone who live in the local community. It really was a crying shame to see that part of Dublin being left with nothing of any worth along with the amenities of the Luas, the 3 arena & the big cinema there right beside it. It just looked so depressing.

RTÉ's EcoEye was highlighting this problem of urban sprawl in their recent episode in Cork & Limerick. Duncan Stewart was looking at all the abandoned properties some part of Limerick City with him also saying that it was a shame to see to see all those properties lying vacant with proper use being made for young families or people who want to live in the city.

Now I know that some things have changed along Alexandra Road in Dublin some years back. Was there a development of new apartments & office buildings being built there some years ago. Is that still being built there or is that finished?

It really is critical for DCC right now to not mess up their vision for this part of the city. If they start listening to the young professionals who work full time in the city centre; they have to really take on the task of really listening to their concerns seriously if they want to have accomodation nearby their own workplace if they want to avoid commuting into Dublin in the near future. This huge tower block being built by Johnny Ronan sounds a perfect solution for a small section of the young professional demographic who can afford to buy these apartments in they want to work in the city.

JohnC. wrote: »

Councillors condemn plans for 45-storey building on Dublin's Quays

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2021/0225/1199406-dublin-development/

Thanks for sharing.

I had a quick read through the article and the same myopic sentiment prevails. At the end of the day, anything is an improvement on what is there currently. Also, a public viewing area at the top would be excellent.

Great to see but it's really sad that we're achieving progress only through diktats. Local democracy isn't working, people in power are too corrupt/stupid to make the right decision. If it were left to them, Dublin would be mostly derelict and new developments would be banned, they'd probably turn it into an open air museum with UNESCO status. There's no obvious way to fix this long term.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Lovely area, but no contact links other than bus.

Its a long walk to the Luas.

That’s what I thought too but Google says it’s a 13 minute walk to Balally which means most people could do it in around 10. That puts it under half an hour to the city centre.

Local transport links aren’t great though, the 11 isn’t a great bus and it’s the only one in the area IIRC.

Why in the hell do we still have political representatives here championing decisions by ABP that go against vital housing projects like this one getting built in Dublin's Docklands? I just don't understand the logic of this decision at all when people all around the city & beyond would be crying out for something of this scale to help them out with their housing situation. This development sounded like it was going to be a huge benefit to those who were currently on the DCC social housing list. There was officially 100 units available for social housing tenants to be built with this development. That was aiming to take a considerable chunk of people off the DCC social housing list over the next few years. And now we are back at square one.

It's a massive disgrace that people like Eoin O'Broin, who is a SF TD who is part of the main opposition party in Dáil at the moment, to be advocating decisions like this development to be rejected for people who want to live & work in the city of Dublin in the future. If Eoin O'Broin wanted SF to be in government in the Dáil after the next GE sometime in 2025 or so and become Minister for Housing; he should be publicly embracing many more developments like the Docklands all around the country to try and get the housing situation in this country to be put under some of proper control once again.

However; voters, that are currently stuck in limbo, now know they've been fooled once more regarding housing. People who had voted for SF in the last GE in 2020 would have wanted to be constantly berating them to get housing projects approved in their own constituencies as soon as possible if their own living situation wasn't tenable to continue on at this current time. We have one of the highest numbers of young people living with their parents in Europe. A lot of these young people in the last GE in 2020 were potentially SF voters who wanted to vote for them who wanted to bring about a significant change in their life in the future. But now; as we have seen from this decision in the Docklands in recent times; people have lost their sense of hope once again.

People who are currently stuck in this limbo cannot tolerate decisions like this to continue once more in their lives. They need to see hope. They need to see long standing changes in public policy being approved in how we are living & working in this country in the future. And they need to see it now.

EcoEye on RTÉ One is talking about Higher Density vs Urban Sprawl. The woman's house near the proposed apartment blocks in SCR is a very unusual case.

The Judicial review from the ECJ on this development sounds like it will be a very critical decision for home being on the outskirts of her house because I think it would be an outlier in the decision making process.

However the intention of newer developments like the proposed one in SCR & the one that is in Pelletstown are great examples of sustainable development.

People would be glad to hear that if you're looking for new housing in Dublin over the next few years; people won't be approaching situations like what was built in Ballymun over 40 to 50 years ago with no facilities to support the housing infrastructure.

I can't find any links now, but heard Frank Mcdonald banging on about high rise in Dublin again this morning. The sooner the better the likes of him and Colm McCarthy stop getting air time and pushing their outdated opinions to shape the direction of the city and country.