Advertisement
How to add spoiler tags, edit posts, add images etc. How to - a user's guide to the new version of Boards
Mods please check the Moderators Group for an important update on Mod tools. If you do not have access to the group, please PM Niamh. Thanks!

Dublin - Building heights

13567

Comments



  • It’s great to see the visible change in planing the past 18 months or so but I’d echo the worries above about any of the “tall” buildings being aesthetically pleasing. If we’re really gonna go 30-40 stories somewhere along the quays it damn well better look nice because if it’s anything like some of the atrocious messes we have in the city center at the moment you better believe they’ll be fierce opposition to any more decent sized buildings coming after it.




  • Pretty pathetic stuff from An Taisce.

    Georgian Dublin was great and all that, but its laughably lacking in density for a modern European Capital city.

    It had gotten to the stage where not only could you not knock down a crumbling old Georgian building to make way for modern high rise apartment and office block, you couldn't even put a high rise building within sight of a Georgian building.

    No issue with preserving the low rise skyline within a small area of Dublin City centre around O'Connell Street, Grafton Street, Merrian Square, Kildare Street and a couple other historic areas like that. Apart from that, we have no choice but to go up, particularly in the Docklands.

    22 stories is miniscule by international standards, it wouldn't even be considered a skyscraper. Given how the Dublin population is expanding, anything short of 40 or 50 stories at this stage will be a missed opportunity.




  • Interestingly the comments section of the papers are almost universally pro high rise, a sign of maturing attitudes.

    An Taisce should probably be defunded at this stage, the group is meant to preserve heritage. Instead of doing this they have spent ridiculous sums on spurious appeals, claiming that the mere site of modernity is damaging to heritage. We mustn't build modern in sight of Georgian architecture yet we must also watch Georgian architecture crumble and rot because all the money is going on 'preserving vistas' of derelict buildings with no modern use while we're all banished to live in Kildare. If only some of that Taisce money were used on actual preservation of heritage.




  • There is a direct correlation between Dublin's current housing crisis and the lack of high rise and high density buildings in Dublin. I think we are all agreed on that from the comments I have read on here and elsewhere.

    Those who work in the Silicon Docks and the like aren't particularly bothered about living in skyscrapers and would probably prefer that to renting a box room in a semi D.

    The debate is over, its high rise all the way from now on for Dublin, with minimum heights of something like 8 stories also being set. The next debate is transport infrastructure, how much above or below ground.




  • There is a direct correlation between Dublin's current housing crisis and the lack of high rise and high density buildings in Dublin. I think we are all agreed on that from the comments I have read on here and elsewhere.

    Those who work in the Silicon Docks and the like aren't particularly bothered about living in skyscrapers and would probably prefer that to renting a box room in a semi D.

    The debate is over, its high rise all the way from now on for Dublin, with minimum heights of something like 8 stories also being set. The next debate is transport infrastructure, how much above or below ground.

    Dublin's inner suburbs are wedged with 20 something singles sharing family houses, when they'd all much prefer a tidy little studio in a central location for themselves where they don't have to worry about Aisling drinking all their oat milk.


  • Advertisement


  • Not just the inner suburbs...




  • Indeed. 20 somethings would prefer a centrally located apartment within walking distance of work and good transport links rather than having to live in Coolock in a family home and have to get the bus in and taxis at other times.




  • cgcsb wrote: »
    We mustn't build modern in sight of Georgian architecture yet we must also watch Georgian architecture crumble and rot because all the money is going on 'preserving vistas' of derelict buildings with no modern use while we're all banished to live in Kildare. If only some of that Taisce money were used on actual preservation of heritage.


    Exactly, the state of some listed buildings in the city is deplorable, especially in the North inner city. Yet you rarely hear a peep out of them about this. It's infuriating, if they bothered doing what they were set up to do, preserving heritage, then the city would look a lot better than it does today. Instead they waste thousands on appeals left right and centre.




  • There is a direct correlation between Dublin's current housing crisis and the lack of high rise and high density buildings in Dublin. I think we are all agreed on that from the comments I have read on here and elsewhere.

    Those who work in the Silicon Docks and the like aren't particularly bothered about living in skyscrapers and would probably prefer that to renting a box room in a semi D.

    The debate is over, its high rise all the way from now on for Dublin, with minimum heights of something like 8 stories also being set. The next debate is transport infrastructure, how much above or below ground.

    It's higher density not just height for the sake of it. With better overall density a lot more benefits accrue, particularly in relation to the kind of transport we can have.




  • crushproof wrote: »
    Exactly, the state of some listed buildings in the city is deplorable, especially in the North inner city. Yet you rarely hear a peep out of them about this. It's infuriating, if they bothered doing what they were set up to do, preserving heritage, then the city would look a lot better than it does today. Instead they waste thousands on appeals left right and centre.
    I see they've recently delved into critiquing the contents of children's lunch boxes in the name of climate change. A worthy cause may be, but extremely far from their remit


  • Advertisement


  • dubhthach wrote: »
    I wonder if someone will ever dust down the plans for the 35 story hotel that was proposed for the back of the Convention Center
    They'd have to leave a tunnel for the Luas line if they tried it now.




  • Interesting advert in yesterday's Sunday Times.

    https://twitter.com/TomLyonsBiz/status/1120006773782528005




  • They'd have to leave a tunnel for the Luas line if they tried it now.

    The site is still there for it - it was to be very very shallow




  • Who's ad is that in the Times? I assume it must say somewhere on the page, but the image doesn't show the full thing.




  • JohnC. wrote: »
    Who's ad is that in the Times? I assume it must say somewhere on the page, but the image doesn't show the full thing.
    The ad is unsigned - no mention of who put it in there.




  • The CEO of Salesforce wanted a Salesforce tower in every hub where they have a large presence. He had to be told that unfortunately in Dublin it wasn’t possible at the time. Hence why the term ‘Tower’ is still being kept but it’s more of a campus type setup.

    At least it will get into double digits if Johnny gets the go ahead to increase it from 9 to 11, still far short of a tower.




  • Some common sense shining through

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/construction/green-light-under-fast-track-planning-for-265-apartments-on-dulux-site-1.3868339

    265 apartments beside a Luas stop is what Dublin needs in droves.




  • marno21 wrote: »
    Some common sense shining through

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/construction/green-light-under-fast-track-planning-for-265-apartments-on-dulux-site-1.3868339

    265 apartments beside a Luas stop is what Dublin needs in droves.

    Some relief. You'd have to wonder what goes through the objectors heads. The development includes a new cafe and shop, would you not be delighted? Not to mention that about 500 other fellow human beings would have somewhere to live.




  • cgcsb wrote: »
    Some relief. You'd have to wonder what goes through the objectors heads. The development includes a new cafe and shop, would you not be delighted? Not to mention that about 500 other fellow human beings would have somewhere to live.


    It does say for rent only though, so that just results in the 500 fellow human beings being transient with no attachement to the area. It's good that they are doing it (I've driven past those empty plots along the canal for the past few years and had to wonder why there's a shortage of housing with that going to waste)




  • marno21 wrote: »
    Some common sense shining through

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/construction/green-light-under-fast-track-planning-for-265-apartments-on-dulux-site-1.3868339

    265 apartments beside a Luas stop is what Dublin needs in droves.

    A number of other sites in that area could do with the same treatment.


  • Advertisement


  • Rulmeq wrote: »
    It does say for rent only though, so that just results in the 500 fellow human beings being transient with no attachement to the area.

    Cities worldwide, including Dublin, have huge numbers of people renting. We've got to stop pretending it's a bad thing or that tenants are any less deserving of housing. Plenty of home owners in cities have little or no involvement in their local area.




  • Rulmeq wrote: »
    It does say for rent only though, so that just results in the 500 fellow human beings being transient with no attachement to the area. It's good that they are doing it (I've driven past those empty plots along the canal for the past few years and had to wonder why there's a shortage of housing with that going to waste)

    There has to be a space for transient people. You can't buy your forever family home and pick your forever job when you're 22.




  • markpb wrote: »
    Cities worldwide, including Dublin, have huge numbers of people renting. We've got to stop pretending it's a bad thing or that tenants are any less deserving of housing. Plenty of home owners in cities have little or no involvement in their local area.

    While that’s true, the rights they have aren’t as good as what’s on offer in a lot of other European cities.




  • markpb wrote: »
    local area.

    As a complete off topic, I'd love to get to the bottom of the Irishisms that dominate conversations about geography. My faves:

    -"local area"
    -"rural town"
    -Absolute disregard for the names of streets or numbers on doors etc.
    :pac:




  • L1011 wrote: »
    The site is still there for it - it was to be very very shallow

    On the 'patio' area? https://goo.gl/maps/diwduHictmZSbhME6





  • Yes. Entirely. Very shallow, full width of the CCD and very tall. The Luas line was already under construction when this was proposed - its open nearly a decade now.

    Wouldn't have had any carparking etc - just that already under the CCD

    https://www.voltimum.ie/articles/national-conference-centre-hotel-shay




  • L1011 wrote: »
    Yes. Entirely. Very shallow, full width of the CCD and very tall. The Luas line was already under construction when this was proposed - its open nearly a decade now.

    Wouldn't have had any carparking etc - just that already under the CCD

    https://www.voltimum.ie/articles/national-conference-centre-hotel-shay
    That might explain the somewhat 'unfinished' look at the back of the Convention Centre. It looks like they spent all the money on the fancy front, and were left with a massive flat wall of concrete at the back.




  • You can look at these tweets to see what we are up against.

    This hysteria in the IT and the Indo that Ireland is becoming a nation of renters because high density.

    https://twitter.com/Eamonnmoran/status/1122188061297786880?s=20

    https://twitter.com/Orla_Hegarty/status/1122199031181189121?s=20


  • Advertisement


  • You can look at these tweets to see what we are up against.

    This hysteria in the IT and the Indo that Ireland is becoming a nation of renters because high density.

    That Mark Keenan article is some wild hyperbole alright, but he is their property editor. It's fairly standard stuff and what the indo was pimping back in the boom right up to the point when it all blew up in our faces.

    Repeat after me: "Renting bad, buying good"....."you'll never go wrong with bricks & mortar" etc etc etc


Advertisement