Dublin - Building heights

Great to see but it's really sad that we're achieving progress only through diktats. Local democracy isn't working, people in power are too corrupt/stupid to make the right decision. If it were left to them, Dublin would be mostly derelict and new developments would be banned, they'd probably turn it into an open air museum with UNESCO status. There's no obvious way to fix this long term.

No idea what this area is like or if it is over-development but I would love to visit Goatshattan in the future.

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Lovely area, but no contact links other than bus.

Its a long walk to the Luas.

That’s what I thought too but Google says it’s a 13 minute walk to Balally which means most people could do it in around 10. That puts it under half an hour to the city centre.

Local transport links aren’t great though, the 11 isn’t a great bus and it’s the only one in the area IIRC.

Why in the hell do we still have political representatives here championing decisions by ABP that go against vital housing projects like this one getting built in Dublin's Docklands? I just don't understand the logic of this decision at all when people all around the city & beyond would be crying out for something of this scale to help them out with their housing situation. This development sounded like it was going to be a huge benefit to those who were currently on the DCC social housing list. There was officially 100 units available for social housing tenants to be built with this development. That was aiming to take a considerable chunk of people off the DCC social housing list over the next few years. And now we are back at square one.

It's a massive disgrace that people like Eoin O'Broin, who is a SF TD who is part of the main opposition party in Dáil at the moment, to be advocating decisions like this development to be rejected for people who want to live & work in the city of Dublin in the future. If Eoin O'Broin wanted SF to be in government in the Dáil after the next GE sometime in 2025 or so and become Minister for Housing; he should be publicly embracing many more developments like the Docklands all around the country to try and get the housing situation in this country to be put under some of proper control once again.

However; voters, that are currently stuck in limbo, now know they've been fooled once more regarding housing. People who had voted for SF in the last GE in 2020 would have wanted to be constantly berating them to get housing projects approved in their own constituencies as soon as possible if their own living situation wasn't tenable to continue on at this current time. We have one of the highest numbers of young people living with their parents in Europe. A lot of these young people in the last GE in 2020 were potentially SF voters who wanted to vote for them who wanted to bring about a significant change in their life in the future. But now; as we have seen from this decision in the Docklands in recent times; people have lost their sense of hope once again.

People who are currently stuck in this limbo cannot tolerate decisions like this to continue once more in their lives. They need to see hope. They need to see long standing changes in public policy being approved in how we are living & working in this country in the future. And they need to see it now.

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Why in the hell do we still have political representatives here championing decisions by ABP that go against vital housing projects like this one getting built in Dublin's Docklands?

The ABP didn't have any choice in the matter. If it were up to them they likely would have granted permission.

The Salesforce tower decision established that SDZ rules have precedence in granting permission and that ABP cannot override the SDZ rules. DCC in in charge of the SDZ so ultimately it is DCC's fault - they've continued defending the silly SDZ height restrictions through legal action.

This whole thing has been a circus show. Everybody, including Ronan, knew this wasn't going get permission - precedence had already been established. But job done, newspaper stories are written, concerned politicians are interviewed, publicity generated, etc.

Reading that article is depressing. Specifically the future focus for tall buildings is still on designating "landmark" buildings - i.e. individual very tall buildings surrounded by low rise/older building stock. And there is a specific statement against clustering - "Clustering of tall buildings is likely to only happen in a limited number of areas".

The result will be a low rise city with occasional very tall buildings distributed across the skyline.

It looks like their aiming for the UK provincial city model for accommodating tall buildings that has blighted many of the mid-sized UK cities and is considered outdated. 20 story towers standing far apart in a sea of 2 story red-brick terraces just doesn't do it for me at all. The pattern is positively anti-urban.

This is the very opposite of what they should be doing. Tall buildings SHOULD ONLY be allowed in large clusters and not dotted around the map even in areas dominated by low 2 to 4 story buildings. We should be aiming to create streets, blocks and entire districts of (almost) exclusively tall buildings while preserving the historical character of other districts of the city. When you cluster tall buildings in new districts, even poor/ugly ones don't look too bad as they don't dominate the streetscape which means there is less risk in granting planning for any individual tall building, which means faster planning.

I mean it might not be so laughable if the council had any record of success in picking buildings to be designate landmarks - but so-far the buildings chosen for "landmark" designation are uninspiring to say the least (Capital Dock, the Exo building and soon Tara St.).

EcoEye on RTÉ One is talking about Higher Density vs Urban Sprawl. The woman's house near the proposed apartment blocks in SCR is a very unusual case.

The Judicial review from the ECJ on this development sounds like it will be a very critical decision for home being on the outskirts of her house because I think it would be an outlier in the decision making process.

However the intention of newer developments like the proposed one in SCR & the one that is in Pelletstown are great examples of sustainable development.

People would be glad to hear that if you're looking for new housing in Dublin over the next few years; people won't be approaching situations like what was built in Ballymun over 40 to 50 years ago with no facilities to support the housing infrastructure.

It will destroy the greyhound industry? Oh no!

*MASSIVE STAMP OF APPROVAL*

Sounds like a great spot for 750 new houses and a new pedestrian/cycle bridge over the Dodder.

I can't find any links now, but heard Frank Mcdonald banging on about high rise in Dublin again this morning. The sooner the better the likes of him and Colm McCarthy stop getting air time and pushing their outdated opinions to shape the direction of the city and country.