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Criminal Inquiry launched into the origins of the Trump-Russia investigation

  • 25-10-2019 6:08am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭


    About time too as now Durham can issue subpoenas. Some had been refusing requests to be interviewed when it was just a 'review':

    https://twitter.com/politico/status/1187547244943290369
    New York Times:

    Justice Department officials have shifted an administrative review of the Russia investigation closely overseen by Attorney General William P. Barr to a criminal inquiry, according to two people familiar with the matter. The move gives the prosecutor running it, John H. Durham, the power to subpoena for witness testimony and documents, to impanel a grand jury and to file criminal charges.

    Mr. Barr began the administrative review of the Russia investigation in May, saying that he had conversations with intelligence and law enforcement officials that led him to believe that the F.B.I. acted improperly, if not unlawfully.

    Mr. Barr is closely managing the Durham investigation, even traveling to Italy to seek help from officials there to run down an unfounded conspiracy that is at the heart of conservatives’ attacks on the Russia investigation — that the Italian government helped set up the Trump campaign adviser who was told in 2016 that the Russians had damaging information that could hurt Clinton’s campaign.

    Mr. Durham has also asked whether C.I.A. officials might have somehow tricked the F.B.I. into opening the Russia investigation.

    Mr. Durham has indicated he wants to interview former officials who ran the C.I.A. in 2016 but has yet to question either Mr. Brennan or James R. Clapper Jr., the former director of national intelligence. Mr. Trump has repeatedly attacked them as part of a vast conspiracy by the so-called deep state to stop him from winning the presidency.

    Some C.I.A. officials have retained criminal lawyers in anticipation of being interviewed.

    Although there is of course issues with the FBI lying (by omission) to the FISA court (in order to obtain a warrant to spy on the Trump campaign) Brennan was the main culprit, even worse than Comey, as he clearly went out of his way to ensure Hillary was elected and then lied to congress about the Steele dossier and what he knew of it and more importantly, when he knew of it. Clapper recently said they were all just doing what Obama told them to do, so he may interviewed at some point, hope so, as his administration was rotten to the core it would seem given the behavior of so many of it's holdovers who just can't seem to stand that after eight years of having a liberal at the helm, Donald Trump strolled in and demanded things be done slightly differently.

    One thing though: I hope they get full due process and republicans treat democrats 100% fairly throughout, if that is, hearings are to follow either of the investigations.


    Here's the view from both sides tonight, first Fox:





    And CNN (who of course are calling it a "right wing fantasy" and a "conspiracy theory"):




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭BDI


    Lads I can’t follow all this stuff. Are you saying the police are investigating whether the FBI is trying to frame the president by making it look like he is a Russian plant?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Michael Flynn's sentencing seems to be a long time coming compared to others. Will be curious as to where it ends.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 322 ✭✭SJW Lover


    BDI wrote: »
    Lads I can’t follow all this stuff. Are you saying the police are investigating whether the FBI is trying to frame the president by making it look like he is a Russian plant?


    It's difficult to follow as Fox News are skewed one way and MSNBC/CNN etc are completely skewed the other way. Stick to what the actual quotes are and the actual documents and avoid having your opinion told to you by the talking heads who are there to exaggerate or obfuscate according to their own agenda. A mistake the prominent posters on this site make every day when forming their opinions on US politics.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,047 ✭✭✭✭Overheal



    Flynn pled guilty to criminal charges...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    BDI wrote: »
    Lads I can’t follow all this stuff. Are you saying the police are investigating whether the FBI is trying to frame the president by making it look like he is a Russian plant?

    Totally understandable for anyone to be scratching their heads on all this now given that the New York Times and The Washington Post were awarded Pulitzer Prizes for their coverage of the Trump-Russia collusion. Good article here on that aspect of it all and a crucial one it is too as, imo, the mainstream media are as culpable as anyone else in all this:

    https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/04/09/why_last_years_trump-russia_pulitzer_was_no_prize.html

    As for ' Are the Police investigating if Trump was framed?' Yes, and then some. The Attorney General, Bill Barr, appointed John Durham to look into just what it was that led to the FBI launching Crossfire Hurricane (the investigation into the Trump campaign's suspected coordination with Russia to interfere with the 2016 presidential election).

    Up until recently it had been just a review but is now an official criminal investigation. Quite significant given AG Barr & Durham have just come into possession of two BlackBerrys owned by Joseph Mifsud, the professor who approached a member of the Trump campaign (George Papadopoulos) telling him that he had Russian contacts who were in possession of Hillary's hacked emails:

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/misfuds-cell-phones-obtained-by-durham-could-answer-key-russiagate-questions_3120862.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,047 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    You’re spinning this, Pete.

    Cite where they are investigating “Trump was framed”

    So far all I’ve seen from the WH on this is they are investigating whether the FISA court process was abused. It’s another process argument. Now they are investigating whether anyone broke any applicable laws.

    You’re spinning it up as if every shred of evidence to date was forged and the whole thing was a framing. Seems preposterous no?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    Overheal wrote: »
    You’re spinning this, Pete.

    Cite where they are investigating “Trump was framed”

    So far all I’ve seen from the WH on this is they are investigating whether the FISA court process was abused. It’s another process argument. Now they are investigating whether anyone broke any applicable laws.

    You’re spinning it up as if every shred of evidence to date was forged and the whole thing was a framing. Seems preposterous no?

    They're getting good at the process argument, it seems that's all Donald has left them to fight against.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    Anybody thats a threat to the status quo in American politics and the establishment is a Russian Stooge or Agent. Its getting tiresome now and laughable some people still swallow it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    Anybody thats a threat to the status quo in American politics and the establishment is a Russian Stooge or Agent.

    Case in point trump in Syria turned about face and gave Putin what he wanted ........


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    Gatling wrote: »
    Case in point trump in Syria turned about face and gave Putin what he wanted ........

    Do elaborate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    Do elaborate.

    Elaborate it's widely acknowledged russia got involved in US elections ,denied many including trump himself ,now in a single week of work trump Pulls out US troops out of Syria , allowing the Turkish invasion and division of Kurdish lands to turks and russian forces .

    Trump says he did a great job , yeah proving he's putins puppet



    Meanwhile Irish boardsies??? Claim russian interference didn't happen


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭BDI


    So it’s proven then, we all know absolutely nothing and the CIA or the FBI or Russia or whoever could be making anything and everything up.

    It’s all speculation and made up baloney and it’s about as credible as a Stormy Daniels story.

    Can we just get behind the man now and let him lead the free world as best as he can.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    Gatling wrote: »
    Elaborate it's widely acknowledged russia got involved in US elections ,denied many including trump himself ,now in a single week of work trump Pulls out US troops out of Syria , allowing the Turkish invasion and division of Kurdish lands to turks and russian forces .

    Trump says he did a great job , yeah proving he's putins puppet



    Meanwhile Irish boardsies??? Claim russian interference didn't happen

    I would acknowledge Russian intervention if there was some concrete evidence, but there is none because Trump would have long been impeached by now. Trumps has just lived up to his election promises in bringing more troops home from Syria and the middle east in general.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,047 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    I would acknowledge Russian intervention if there was some concrete evidence, but there is none because Trump would have long been impeached by now. Trumps has just lived up to his election promises in bringing more troops home from Syria and the middle east in general.

    You’re conflating Russian intervention in 2016 election politics with the investigation into whether Trump was conspiring with that effort. Even if the Mueller Report had concluded trump was exonerated (it doesn’t), it doesn’t mean that Russia did not intervene in 2016 election politics. The intelligence community already established that as an matter of record.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,663 ✭✭✭thecretinhop


    Overheal wrote: »
    You’re conflating Russian intervention in 2016 election politics with the investigation into whether Trump was conspiring with that effort. Even if the Mueller Report had concluded trump was exonerated (it doesn’t), it doesn’t mean that Russia did not intervene in 2016 election politics. The intelligence community already established that as an matter of record.

    yeah, good one... de mighty lisa page and creepy demon strosok did not lie or alter their 302 statements...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,047 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    yeah, good one... de mighty lisa page and creepy demon strosok did not lie or alter their 302 statements...

    Please expand that innuendo so we all might discuss it thanks?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Will this be like the inquiry into voter fraud?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    Its hard not to break your boll0x laughing when the Americans are criticising other nations for meddling in there elections, there the masters of it, I wouldn't say every nation on the planet combined have interfered in Elections more than the Americans since WW2. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Overheal wrote: »
    Even if the Mueller Report had concluded trump was exonerated (it doesn’t), it doesn’t mean that Russia did not intervene in 2016 election politics. The intelligence community already established that as an matter of record.

    Eh, where did I say that Russia did not intervene in 2016 election??

    Give the strawmanning a rest, cheers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Just so nobody can say the other side's views of this are being ignored, here's what Comey had to say last night re the new status of the investigation:


    https://twitter.com/alx/status/1188205947262504960


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,047 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Eh, where did I say that Russia did not intervene in 2016 election??

    Give the strawmanning a rest, cheers.

    Did you read my effing post and who I was talking to? Not everything is about you, Pete.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Yeah this makes trump a good person.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    Yeah this makes trump a good person.

    Trump is not a good although I dare to say he has good bits to him.

    In 2016 Americans were given a choice, Trump or Hillary. If forced to spend time locked up with either I would choose Trump a thousand times before Hillary. I imagine he would be a bit of craic, and I think he is humane beneath the gaucheness and bluster. Hillary on the other hand makes my flesh crawl. She is fake, mean, devious, bad tempered, self serving, delusional - she is everything one could imagine a nasty mean woman to be and on top of thay she is dangerously power hungry. I have no idea how women like her especially after the way she treated the women who accused her husband of sexual assault. But her gleeful cackle over the death by knife sodomy of Gadaffi marked her forever in my mind as an evil and completely unsuitable for politics person.

    Trump is not good but if all the Democrats can come up with this time is the hysterical and lying sjw wannabe Warren and the distinctly paedophilic Biden then Trump will likely win again. Unless there is election interference from the Democrat supporters via technology rigging, algorithm abuse, voter fraud etc. At all of which they seem fairly practised.

    Disgusting rigged autocratic system, US politics.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Gynoid wrote: »

    Disgusting rigged autocratic system, US politics.
    True.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,514 ✭✭✭valoren


    Part of the Mueller investigation was to determine if the Russians interfered in the 2016 election. The other part was to see if there was collusion. It wasn't to discredit Trumps win but to determine whether an ideological enemy of the US interfered in their electoral process which they categorically did. Of course Trump, a flagrant narcissist, deemed it an attack on his win and shot himself in the foot by attempting to obstruct justice on multiple occasions. The only thing keeping him out of prison is that it's the policy of the justice department that you can't indict a sitting president. Now with the impeachment inquiry forging ahead this separate investigation serves as a neat side deflective side show while the goal of it is not to show Trump is innocent but to try and get anything incriminating (legal admin "gotcha" errors etc) about the legal process committed during the Mueller investigation and use it to discredit it completely and keep Trump out of prison on such a technicality whenever he leaves or is removed from office.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 322 ✭✭SJW Lover


    Gatling wrote: »
    Elaborate it's widely acknowledged russia got involved in US elections ,denied many including trump himself ,now in a single week of work trump Pulls out US troops out of Syria , allowing the Turkish invasion and division of Kurdish lands to turks and russian forces .

    Trump says he did a great job , yeah proving he's putins puppet



    Meanwhile Irish boardsies??? Claim russian interference didn't happen


    Evidence please. "Widely acknowledged" by peddlers of propaganda that you lap up without question EVERY TIME just wont cut it, Mr. Shill.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,047 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    SJW Lover wrote: »
    Evidence please. "Widely acknowledged" by peddlers of propaganda that you lap up without question EVERY TIME just wont cut it, Mr. Shill.

    :rolleyes:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    SJW Lover wrote: »
    Evidence please. "Widely acknowledged" by peddlers of propaganda that you lap up without question EVERY TIME just wont cut it, Mr. Shill.

    Lol whaaaaaaaat


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,047 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Gatling wrote: »
    Lol whaaaaaaaat

    “Internet Research Agency is a hoax”


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 322 ✭✭SJW Lover


    Gatling wrote: »
    Lol whaaaaaaaat


    Evidence. Pretty simple request. Got any?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 322 ✭✭SJW Lover


    Overheal wrote: »
    :rolleyes:


    Wasnt expecting any evidence from you Mr Maddow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Overheal wrote: »
    Did you read my effing post and who I was talking to? Not everything is about you, Pete.

    Apologies, I was wearing a towel.
    Overheal wrote: »
    Flynn pled guilty to criminal charges...

    He pled guilty because of the case they had built against him but part of that (from what is alleged now) is how they framed him.

    There were financial factors also ...




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    So Attorney General William Barr’s investigation into the 2016 spying on Trump's campaign is now a criminal probe. Is the curtain on the biggest crime the USA has ever faced about to be lifted?

    From reports over the last two years that the DNC's media handmaidens don't seem to want us to know... John Brennan, James Clapper, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Rod Rosenstein, Sally Yates, Bruce Ohr, Andrew Weissmannm, Loretta Elizabeth Lynch, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Samantha Jane Power, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama might want to lawyer up.

    Oh, wait… some already have after the news broke that it’s now a criminal investigation.

    If they’ve done nothing wrong they’ve got nothing to hide, right? That’s the standard Pelosi, Schiff, and Nadler has applied to the Trump White House... while violating every historic precedent and simple common decency.

    I do hope the criminal investigations and reports from Barr, Durham and Horowitz get to the bottom of the crimes committed in in the election campaign and potential coup once Trump was elected, and exposes the real criminals... and doesn't follow the DNC’s playbook of justice of guilt first, fill in the blanks later, and then have a show trial.

    Or should it be what is good for the goose is good for the gander?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    About time too as now Durham can issue subpoenas. Some had been refusing requests to be interviewed when it was just a 'review'....

    Like the WH telling people not to engage when it's just an 'inquiry'?
    If I were an American tax payer I'd be pissed at this PR stunt and Barr, once again, showing himself up to be a bought shill for Trump.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    "PR Stunt" lol :P


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Like the WH telling people not to engage when it's just an 'inquiry'?
    If I were an American tax payer I'd be pissed at this PR stunt and Barr, once again, showing himself up to be a bought shill for Trump.
    Ah yes, the DNC talking points.

    I see Schiff and Nadler have emerged from their Spanish inquisition dungeon to express outrage and claim “the rule of law will suffer new and irreparable damage.”

    WHAT A JOKE!

    These are the two biggest culprits of damaging the rule of law for partisan purposes that I may have ever seen.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Lads, it's a waste of tax payer money and a stunt. Nothing will come of it. He's basically chasing down people for investigating the democratic system wasn't compromised. He's as credible as Barr...not at all.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Lads, it's a waste of tax payer money and a stunt. Nothing will come of it. He's basically chasing down people for investigating the democratic system wasn't compromised. He's as credible as Barr...not at all.
    The biggest crime in the republic’s existence is a waste of time and a stunt?

    Oh, how the cries of desperation brought on by guilt have become quite grotesque.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    notobtuse wrote: »
    The biggest crime in the republic’s existence is a waste of time and a stunt?

    Oh, how the cries of desperation brought on by guilt have become quite grotesque.

    Wait, you privy to the judgement when the investigation has just begun?

    Do you not see the irony?

    I know defending the indefensible is tough, but don't take out your frustrations on the United States.
    You folk really have no respect for your country.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Wait, you privy to the judgement when the investigation has just begun?

    Do you not see the irony?

    I know defending the indefensible is tough, but don't take out your frustrations on the United States.
    You folk really have no respect for your country.
    It's IMHO based on two years of reports the Democrat's media handmaidens have tried to suppress, unlike the the DNC's current playbook of justice... 'Show me the man and I'll show you the crime.'

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,047 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Ah yes, the DNC talking points.

    I see Schiff and Nadler have emerged from their Spanish inquisition dungeon to express outrage and claim “the rule of law will suffer new and irreparable damage.”

    WHAT A JOKE!

    These are the two biggest culprits of damaging the rule of law for partisan purposes that I may have ever seen.

    Can’t rubbish talking points with crazier talking points. It’s the same “dungeon” Congress uses with great frequency, both parties, and to which Trey Gowdy himself said yesterday he 100% supports as process.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,047 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    notobtuse wrote: »
    The biggest crime in the republic’s existence is a waste of time and a stunt?

    Oh, how the cries of desperation brought on by guilt have become quite grotesque.

    So speaking of cries of desperation: you’re hyping up crimes you have no inkling about? Durham could be trying to prosecute someone who wrote on a “do not write on this page” section of a form. “Biggest crime in the Republican existence” wow really know how to sizzle it up, that old dazzle dazzle.

    Plenty of higher crimes in the Republic scream to mind above any and all of this. I mean heck the Tuskegee experiments alone much less the trail of tears and loads of other examples of great black stains on the country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Nothing will come of it.

    That comment won't age well.
    He's basically chasing down people for investigating the democratic system wasn't compromised.

    You really believe if all the CIA/FBI did was investigate, that this criminal investigation would now be underway?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    notobtuse wrote: »
    It's IMHO based on two years of reports the Democrat's media handmaidens have tried to suppress, unlike the the DNC's current playbook of justice... 'Show me the man and I'll show you the crime.'

    You sound like a tin foil hat conspiracy theorist. You could run as a Republican Presidential candidate. I don't care if you get all the Democrats and 'Lock them up'.
    I'd say Trump had a fit after the baseball boos yesterday.

    Seriously though, look at your President. It's tough deciding whether to dislike or pity the United States these days. Barr is a disgrace and you've new judges deemed unfit by the bar association. Trump has torn your legal system apart by stacking the deck. Sure it's in your favour but a rigged game does not benefit justice and neither does this trumped up wild goose chase, (see what I did there?).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    I'd say Trump had a fit after the baseball boos yesterday.

    Yeah, I'd say he was really shocked at getting boos in DC when the vote there for Hillary was 90% to his 4.
    Trump has torn your legal system apart by stacking the deck.

    You do realise that the FBI leaked information to the media and stacked the deck in favour of Hillary by doing so, right? And that's the tip of the iceberg by the way.
    Sure it's in your favour but a rigged game does not benefit justice..

    You clearly have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

    It's exactly BECAUSE a rigged game does not benefit justice that the Durham-Barr investigation is underway. You do realise that there is a lot of evidence to show that the FBI was not honest with the FISA courts:
    The email exchanges show the FBI was aware — before it secured the now-infamous warrant — that there were intelligence community concerns about the reliability of the main evidence used to support it: the Christopher Steele dossier.

    The exchanges also indicate FBI officials were aware that Steele, the former MI6 British intelligence operative then working as a confidential human source for the bureau, had contacts with news media reporters before the FISA warrant was secured.

    The FBI fired Steele on Nov. 1, 2016 — two weeks after securing the warrant — on the grounds that he had unauthorized contacts with the news media.

    But the FBI withheld from the American public and Congress, until months later, that Steele had been paid to find his dirt on Trump by a firm doing political opposition research for the Democratic Party and for Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, and that Steele himself harbored hatred for Trump.

    And that's before we get to the fact the court wasn't informed the DNC funded the dossier, let alone everything surrounding Brennan's role and how he has contradicted himself on important issues.

    Then there's Mifsud of course .. but that's all a conspiracy theory, right?

    Here's what Barr had to say a few hours ago:




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    To those of us who’ve been following the efforts to see Democrats try and take out a political opponent with lies, and then his presidency, from the beginning knew a criminal investigation was inevitable once Hillary Clinton lost. I’m happy that some of the main bad actors in the soft coup will potentially see time behind bars. But sadly one main conspirator in all this will walk away scot free… the lying mainstream media. The media were accessories, collaborators, and sometimes even instigated some of the most heinous actions in US history. Chief amongst those bad actors are The New York Times, The Washington Post, BuzzFeed, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC and their arm of the DNC - MSNBC. They were more than willing to pass off lies leaked to them by truly dishonest officials and appointees of the Obama administration and other members of the DNC, and then participated in the cover-up by a lack of reporting/investigating the truth, in an attempt to overthrow an American presidential election.

    Unfortunately the press is granted license by the government to spew lies and propaganda to achieve their agenda. It’s now time for the special treatment to stop as their professional integrity has gone down the crapper, and they should be part of the criminal investigation... and pay the price. At a minimum they should have their protections against libel and slander taken away. Hit them in the pocketbook until they decide to report the news in a balanced and unbiased manner.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Yeah, I'd say he was really shocked at getting boos in DC when the vote there for Hillary was 90% to his 4.

    So he wouldn't have had a fit back at the WH? Of course he did. He thought murdering the ISIS lad would have him worshiped.
    You do realise that the FBI leaked information to the media and stacked the deck in favour of Hillary by doing so, right? And that's the tip of the iceberg by the way.

    Trump still has stacked the deck putting judges in place the bar association deem unqualified. One new Judge has never tried a case :)


    You clearly have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

    It's exactly BECAUSE a rigged game does not benefit justice that the Durham-Barr investigation is underway. You do realise that there is a lot of evidence to show that the FBI was not honest with the FISA courts:

    See above.
    And that's before we get to the fact the court wasn't informed the DNC funded the dossier, let alone everything surrounding Brennan's role and how he has contradicted himself on important issues.

    Then there's Mifsud of course .. but that's all a conspiracy theory, right?

    Here's what Barr had to say a few hours ago:


    ...

    This is a costly attempt to cover the impeachment inquiry and Barr has zero credibility.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,047 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    notobtuse wrote: »
    To those of us who’ve been following the efforts to see Democrats try and take out a political opponent with lies, and then his presidency, from the beginning knew a criminal investigation was inevitable once Hillary Clinton lost. I’m happy that some of the main bad actors in the soft coup will potentially see time behind bars. But sadly one main conspirator in all this will walk away scot free… the lying mainstream media. The media were accessories, collaborators, and sometimes even instigated some of the most heinous actions in US history. Chief amongst those bad actors are The New York Times, The Washington Post, BuzzFeed, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC and their arm of the DNC - MSNBC. They were more than willing to pass off lies leaked to them by truly dishonest officials and appointees of the Obama administration and other members of the DNC, and then participated in the cover-up by a lack of reporting/investigating the truth, in an attempt to overthrow an American presidential election.

    Unfortunately the press is granted license by the government to spew lies and propaganda to achieve their agenda. It’s now time for the special treatment to stop as their professional integrity has gone down the crapper, and they should be part of the criminal investigation... and pay the price. At a minimum they should have their protections against libel and slander taken away. Hit them in the pocketbook until they decide to report the news in a balanced and unbiased manner.

    See above partisan cudgel who forgot that birthergate was an attempt to overthrow Obama on an unfounded technicality/conspiracy theory


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