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Criminal Inquiry launched into the origins of the Trump-Russia investigation

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  • Registered Users Posts: 32 Ihatewhahabies


    SJW Lover wrote: »
    It's difficult to follow as Fox News are skewed one way and MSNBC/CNN etc are completely skewed the other way. Stick to what the actual quotes are and the actual documents and avoid having your opinion told to you by the talking heads who are there to exaggerate or obfuscate according to their own agenda. A mistake the prominent posters on this site make every day when forming their opinions on US politics.

    I get most of my info for all the Russian conspiracy stuff from Lee Stranahan, Larry Johnston and a couple of web sites such as moon of Alabama...Much easier to follow than Fox (which I do not have anymore...not sure if I miss it...but my blood pressure is normal) or cnn was never great...


  • Registered Users Posts: 32 Ihatewhahabies


    I am grasping the straw that the types of politicians/military/business people that he annoys are the type of people I dislike enormously.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32 Ihatewhahabies


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Durham might be close to finishing his findings on why the Obama administration ordered secret surveillance and investigations of figures in Trump’s campaign... which just so happened to be the opposing political party. Although most of the characters of the Obama administration in the criminal investigation are unlikely to emerge unscathed, the only ones most likely to be prosecuted are James Comey, John Brennan and James Clapper. It would be too big a strain on the US economy building a jail big enough to hold all those involved in the criminal activity. But it would put a historical and permanent big ole black mark on Barack Obama’s administration.

    What does the DNC do as the investigations relate to the election? Does it throw Biden to the wolves and give Warren the Golden Ticket? If Biden does win the primary he would be spending the entire election having to defend his party and Barack Obama’s dirty tricks of 2016 and again after Trump became POTUS. Good luck with that! It’s a losing proposition that would hand Trump reelection.

    Will Comey, Brennan and clapper turn state witnesses against their masters?

    The DNC may go the Warren route but I am praying for Tulsi


  • Registered Users Posts: 32 Ihatewhahabies


    notobtuse wrote: »
    So Attorney General William Barr’s investigation into the 2016 spying on Trump's campaign is now a criminal probe. Is the curtain on the biggest crime the USA has ever faced about to be lifted?

    From reports over the last two years that the DNC's media handmaidens don't seem to want us to know... John Brennan, James Clapper, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Rod Rosenstein, Sally Yates, Bruce Ohr, Andrew Weissmannm, Loretta Elizabeth Lynch, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Samantha Jane Power, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama might want to lawyer up.

    Oh, wait… some already have after the news broke that it’s now a criminal investigation.

    If they’ve done nothing wrong they’ve got nothing to hide, right? That’s the standard Pelosi, Schiff, and Nadler has applied to the Trump White House... while violating every historic precedent and simple common decency.

    I do hope the criminal investigations and reports from Barr, Durham and Horowitz get to the bottom of the crimes committed in in the election campaign and potential coup once Trump was elected, and exposes the real criminals... and doesn't follow the DNC’s playbook of justice of guilt first, fill in the blanks later, and then have a show trial.

    Or should it be what is good for the goose is good for the gander?

    What is really good from this investigation...No leaks....


  • Registered Users Posts: 32 Ihatewhahabies


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    Its hard not to break your boll0x laughing when the Americans are criticising other nations for meddling in there elections, there the masters of it, I wouldn't say every nation on the planet combined have interfered in Elections more than the Americans since WW2. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

    In fact what blows my mind is that they brought their own form of colour revolution back home...If people started to demonstrate perhaps "unknown snipers" may start killing people and the security forces to bring more chaos....Will it come to that...perhaps after 2021


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  • Registered Users Posts: 32 Ihatewhahabies


    Gatling wrote: »
    Case in point trump in Syria turned about face and gave Putin what he wanted ........

    Did he really.

    As far as I understand American troops are returning to eastern syria. But there is a lot of contradictory information coming out, I suspect that Syria is doing what Sun tze stated appear weak when u r strong...As in Aleppo and palmyra after initial stages there seems to be a deliberate muddying of waters, e.g. turk supported FSA/SNA attacking Syrian troops.

    Might take a brake from researching Syria till a bit of clarity emerges


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,114 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    What is really good from this investigation...No leaks....

    Well it’s not a congressional investigation. Either party in control of a panel will end up leaking whatever they think favors them (the Nunes memo?)


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Will Comey, Brennan and clapper turn state witnesses against their masters?
    Not if they want to keep breathing.

    Democrats are extremely disciplined. I think they will fall on their swords in hopes of a presidential pardon some time in the near future.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    If the Durham investigation turns up criminal or unethical behavior on the part of Obama Administration officials, and this Ciaramella guy happens to be both the 'whistleblower' and someone who was involved in influencing the illegal FISA warrants, put your money on Trump immediately. And if it is Ciaramella and he orchestrated his 'whistleblower' complaint for the sole purpose of triggering an impeachment inquiry, and it is determined he coordinated his efforts with Shiff’s office, the Democrats can kiss their majority in the House goodbye.

    Rather odd that Democrats now no longer want the ‘whistleblower’ to participate in the process after promising he would testify, and the ‘whistleblower’s’ attorneys have broken off negotiations with the House to testify. Something is rotten in Washington and the villains seem to all have a (D) behind their names.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users Posts: 81,114 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    When did the whistleblower promise he would testify I must have missed that. The rest of your post is speculative and I think it would be a stretch to imply this guy had anything to do with the FISA issues


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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,127 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    notobtuse wrote: »
    If the Durham investigation turns up criminal or unethical behavior on the part of Obama Administration officials, and this Ciaramella guy happens to be both the 'whistleblower' and someone who was involved in influencing the illegal FISA warrants, put your money on Trump immediately. And if it is Ciaramella and he orchestrated his 'whistleblower' complaint for the sole purpose of triggering an impeachment inquiry, and it is determined he coordinated his efforts with Shiff’s office, the Democrats can kiss their majority in the House goodbye.

    Rather odd that Democrats now no longer want the ‘whistleblower’ to participate in the process after promising he would testify, and the ‘whistleblower’s’ attorneys have broken off negotiations with the House to testify. Something is rotten in Washington and the villains seem to all have a (D) behind their names.

    A lot of ifs there. When are we likely to hear a report from this investigation?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    MadYaker wrote: »
    A lot of ifs there. When are we likely to hear a report from this investigation?
    The DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz noted on October 24 that he would shortly release his report on ‘possible’ FISA abuses by Obama-era officials against the Trump campaign during the 2016 election.

    Durham’s probe has become a criminal investigation which will take more time as new information comes up almost daily. He was charged with investigating the investigators, which has now transitioned into a full-fledged criminal investigation. In doing so he has the power to issue subpoenas, convene grand jury proceedings, and recommend federal charges. It’s been reported on OANN that Barr and Durham have flipped former FBI general counsel James Baker into cooperating with them on the Mifsud situation. Mifsud’s cell phones were recently acquired by Durham, and if it is determined he was actually an FBI/CIA asset used to entrap Trump personnel then no wonder it has become a criminal investigation, and could become proof of the greatest scandal in modern US politics involving former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and former CIA Director John Brennan.

    It is also being reported that some newly uncovered texts and emails from December 2016 between FBI agent Peter Strzok to his FBI lawyer lover Lisa Page that notes the 'Sisters have begun leaking like mad.' They deal with national security damaging leaks during Trump’s first 18 weeks in office which appear to be from the intelligence community aimed at disrupting the Trump presidency. The Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs seems to be quite interested now in knowing who the 'sisters' are that are presumably other intelligence agencies including the CIA.

    Criminal indictments are sure to be forthcoming. If everything being suggested is true then we are dealing with a criminal deception of the FISA court, coordinated illegal leaks of classified information by intelligence agencies to disrupt the Trump presidency, the secret use of an asset by US intelligence agencies to entrap a low level Trump campaign aide and then reinforced by the criminal alteration of an FBI 302 form.

    All this boils down to an attempted coup and maybe even treasonous behavior.

    The level of corruption by the DOJ, FBI, and the CIA can only be repaired with convictions and substantial incarcerations for the those involved in the failed coup. I’m guessing Brennan, Clapper, McCabe and Comey indictments should be coming in short order... some by the end of the month, others by the end of the year. What will take time will be the investigations on how high the corruption goes, and whether Obama himself will be implicated. (Remember in a text exchange from Strzok to Page it was noted 'potus wants to know everything we're doing' and another that noted 'White House is running this')?

    My guess is high-priced powerful DC defense lawyers will soon be seeing a financial windfall... all paid for by the DNC.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Newt tries to bring up the Steele dossier and Whoopi won't let him (liberal media won't be able to keep it out of mainstream news forever).

    She accuses him of trying to spin even though he was answering a question he was asked.




  • Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Schiff not happy the Durham probe is a criminal investigation ...


    https://twitter.com/OliverMcGee/status/1191577398917111808


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,114 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Just look at how many times the deep state was almost caught and only Sean Hannity seemed to know about it - all those calls to The White House probably helped

    Who knew so many crime families were inbred too wow


    https://twitter.com/randyrenstrom/status/1191548118116052992?s=21


  • Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Spencerfreeman


    Overheal wrote: »
    Just look at how many times the deep state was almost caught and only Sean Hannity seemed to know about it - all those calls to The White House probably helped

    Who knew so many crime families were inbred too wow


    https://twitter.com/randyrenstrom/status/1191548118116052992?s=21

    "And now say hello to the Brennan family, Come on down!"


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,114 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I just like how he can incept all those crime families but can’t see the Trumps clear as day


  • Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Spencerfreeman


    Overheal wrote: »
    I just like how he can incept all those crime families but can’t see the Trumps clear as day

    When Trump was buying into the casino business in Atlantic city, he offered to have undercover FBI operatives involved and pay their wages.


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,114 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    When Trump was buying into the casino business in Atlantic city, he offered to have undercover FBI operatives involved and pay their wages.

    He offered a lot of things. He ratified almost none of it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Spencerfreeman


    Overheal wrote: »
    He offered a lot of things. He ratified almost none of it.

    I am unclear if they took up his offer.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 81,114 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I am unclear if they took up his offer.

    Well of course you are? His whole Atlantic City venture was a prelude to this entire presidency.


  • Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Spencerfreeman


    Overheal wrote: »
    Well of course you are?

    I, once again, have primary documentary proof of the offer but not of whether it was accepted is all.


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,114 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I, once again, have primary documentary proof of the offer but not of whether it was accepted is all.

    Yeah there’s plenty of documentary evidence that Trump promised just about everything in Atlantic City. Very little of which materialized. What’s the relevance of his offer to pay the FBI?


  • Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Spencerfreeman


    Overheal wrote: »
    Yeah there’s plenty of documentary evidence that Trump promised just about everything in Atlantic City. Very little of which materialized. What’s the relevance of his offer to pay the FBI?

    You're suggestion of his comparable corruption.


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,114 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    You're suggestion of his comparable corruption.

    He offered to privately hire/bribe/moonlight his own pick of FBI agents (contract, employ, etc) for his failed Casino during its planning and permitting stage decades ago and this somehow makes him an honest broker? What of these other “crime families” that actively have worked alongside the FBI?


  • Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Spencerfreeman


    Overheal wrote: »
    He offered to privately hire/bribe/moonlight his own pick of FBI agents (contract, employ, etc) for his failed Casino during its planning and permitting stage decades ago and this somehow makes him an honest broker? What of these other “crime families” that actively have worked alongside the FBI?

    The offer was made to the FBI agent in charge who was looking into the corrupt personage whom he had bought the casino from. He was not selecting anyone.
    The offer was sent to the FBI ultimately for them to choose.
    Just one instance of Trump playing with a straight bat.


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,114 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The offer was made to the FBI agent in charge who was looking into the corrupt personage whom he had bought the casino from. He was not selecting anyone.
    The offer was sent to the FBI ultimately for them to choose.
    Just one instance of Trump playing with a straight bat.

    Source?


  • Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Spencerfreeman


    Overheal wrote: »
    Source?
    Oh jesus, I have it somewhere.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Lindsey Graham received an update from Attorney General William Barr about the classification review of Inspector General Michael Horowitz's report. Big things coming about abuses in the FISA application. Reportedly Howowitz also provided a draft copy of the report to the Justice Department and the FBI for the classification review, and a public copy of the report is expected to be released to the public at around Thanksgiving. It also has been reported that Horowitz has been in contact with US attorney responsible for filing criminal charges. Methinks Brennan and Clapper better enjoy their turkey dinner because afterwards they’ll be eating crow, and after that... prison supplied bread and water.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 81,114 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Oh jesus, I have it somewhere.

    take your time...


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