Changes in the GAA - super thread

Hawkeye9212 wrote: »

Dublin will never be kicked out of the Leinster championship. And they shouldn't. Can't have a provincial championship and exclude one the counties. A second tier championship will widen the gap between the top teams and the rest. Besides, we already have a tiered competition. The League should be elevated to a higher status by the GAA. Reduce it to three divisions and give it a lot more coverage than one show on a Sunday night.

a tiered competition would help those in the middle and bottom have a realistic chance of competing though. And aides would promote and compete in top tier in time. Unlike in current set up. League should get more coverage etc but needs to be integrated within season structure better. Even though treated better now than it used to it should be better. Put a better system. Bot have league finish in entirety before championship starts would be great.

RoyalCelt wrote: »

Why not? Galway play hurling in Leinster. Antrim can qualify for Leinster. London used to play in Ulster. There should be exceptions. Considering Dublin will probably win the next 50 leinster titles why the hell shouldn't they be removed. It's a pointless procession.

I like the idea about the league being 3 divisions but if you move it to the summer dublin will win it handy every year making it another **** spectacle. The league is good now because teams like Dublin don't take it seriously at the start as they take a break later then the rest. It means counties that will never beat Dublin in summer could beat them in the league.

A Dublin split in 2 and Meath/westmeath amalgamation sounds interesting. I could definitely see a united meath competing with North/South Dublin. It would be an even playing field for us in terms of resources/advantages but the gap would definitely close.

galway only compete in leinster due to no alternatives. That isnt the case with Gaelic and dublin.
Splitting dublin in two hides the fact that some counties in leinster and elsewhere haven't done more with development.

Jack Barlowe wrote: »

sure the final kick for a point might be as good as in decades gone by but its certainly not a satisfying in that it was the result of a carefully controlled boring build up.

There must be something wrong with me. I find a carefully controlled build-up more interesting and exciting than hoofing a 50/50 ball down the field.

The lack of response to the issues that came to light in Galway last year should be a worry for everyone interested in the future of the game. Even though we never got the full story, as the audit report had to be edited by lawyers to prevent the threat of legal action against Galway GAA, there was still details disclosed that should have sparked much wider discussions. Stuff like owing Croke Park money for All-Ireland tickets years after the final in question and the liberal use of the boards credit card may have grabbed attention but gate receipts from club matches not being lodged for months and the lack of a safe in Pearse Stadium raised questions about the basic day to day running of the GAA in Galway.

All this carry on was going on the immediate aftermath of Croke Park having to step in and take responsibility for debts ran up over a misguided land purchase at the height of the boom. Maybe I'm just being naïve but why weren't Croke Park officials making sure that Galways affairs were in order considering they were trusting them to service a multi-million euro debt? It seems crazy to me that part of your organisation can run into such financial trouble and then you turn around and trust the same bunch of cowboys to get things sorted out.


I think every year after congress four counties should be selected at random to have their financial affairs independently audited to try and prevent such mismanagement occurring in other counties.

Hawkeye9212 wrote: »

That tiered completion already exists. 9 competitive games will do a lot more for development than one or two games in a knockout championship.

except its played all before the best weqther/pitch conditions every year. And how many counties have really emerged and stayed long term in league top flight. League can only so so much when its played at the time of year ot is

RoyalCelt wrote: »

Give any county in Leinster 20m and they'll do all they can with underage development. Such a lousy response. Let them eat cake.

Galway could compete in a connaught championship and beat everyone by 20 points. No different to Dublin in Leinster. The only difference is connaught without galway won't attract crowds. Leinster without Dublin would. It would have a higher attendance then the munster and connaught not sure about ulster. Definitely justifiable.

What to do with Dublin then. There are options to spice things up.

1. Dublin enter round 1 of the qualifiers
2. Dublin play in a different province each year. This special accommodation could be justified to the fact that Dublin are a province and not a regular county.
3. They go straight to the super 8's although that will be messy as it makes it more awkward for only 7 others to qualify.

Dublin not entering leinster and just going to qualifiers will not fix the problems in the rest of leinster. Dublin entering different provinces doesnt improve standards within the other leinster counties Dublin are not a prov9nce and trying to claim they are is childish

Hawkeye9212 wrote: »

I'd rather put a lot focus on the League than a Tommy Murphy 2.0 Cup. A league is the best format for a tiered competition.

Holding the League alongside the Provincials/ All-Ireland Qualifiers followed by the Championship will elevate its status.

focus on league is fine only if you change the structure of the season and the leagues role within all Ireland championship but a tier 2 knock out is of far better benefit and gives more sides an opportunity for success

Jack Barlowe wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFAwR6fNExo

I'd watch that. Didn't watch more than 20mins of the two semi finals combined last weekend.

This may sound elitist but I was thinking they should trial seeded groups in the football championship from all over the country.
Max 6 teams per group played home and away - except in the fourth and fifth league where there could be more. As there is 33 competing teams.
That means 10 games at least per county.
Top four get into a knock out semi final stage then final stage.

Making it six teams unlike eight teams in the league means the quality would be higher.
This can be done in a tiered AI system seeded from the national league as it currently stands.

Make the provincial competitions a preseason one instead of the O'Byrne Cup and McGrath cup etc.

Hawkeye9212 wrote: »

The Liam McCarthy should be an open draw. It makes a potential expansion to 11 or 12 teams a lot easier. The Provincials should be a pre-season competition.

Example for 10 teams

Group Stage

Group A

Limerick (SF)
Kilkenny (QF)
Clare (QF)
Laois
Dublin
Carlow (Relegation Final)

Group B

Tipperary (SF)
Wexford (QF)
Galway (QF)
Cork
Waterford (Relegation Final)

Relegation Final

Carlow v Waterford

QFs

Kilkenny v Galway
Wexford v Clare

SFs

Tipperary v Galway
Limerick v Wexford

Final

Tipperary v Limerick

There is no reason to put the provincials as a pre season curtain raiser if you have open group stage. Play them as cup knock out in between weeks of the group stage

Sin Bin won't work either when you have a referee on his own in a Junior b trying to keep track of a few sin bins at the same. It's fine for inter county when you have officials that can track the time on the sideline.

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

There is no reason to put the provincials as a pre season curtain raiser if you have open group stage. Play them as cup knock out in between weeks of the group stage

the problem with that is where dose that leave the national league , would maybe a provincial league system work better for the league and an open draw for the championship work better?

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

the problem with that is where dose that leave the national league , would maybe a provincial league system work better for the league and an open draw for the championship work better?

I would have league based co.peitition as main competition with cups on weeks off with other weekends set for clubs only. Open draw straight knockout for all Ireland shouldn't happen.