Extinction Rebellion Ireland

Del.Monte · 11-10-2019 10:35pm

The Oort Cloud wrote: »

You are talking about pollution. What has that got to do with climate change?. Too many people are getting mixed up between pollution and climate change, do they even understand the differences I wonder. Fair play to you all the same, at least you are doing something to clean-up some polluted areas, but for some odd reason a lot of folk keep talking about cleaning up pollution when their main comments are more associated with climate change - global warming. Both different issues.

Climate change/ever increasing growth in consumption and throwaway culture - two sides of the same coin and both need to be tackled with a degree of urgency not seen in Ireland or any other country to date.

lola85 · 11-10-2019 10:40pm

Had to turn the heating on today for a good bit as the family was cold.

Global warming my hole.

cnocbui · 11-10-2019 10:40pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

Climate change/ever increasing growth in consumption and throwaway culture - two sides of the same coin and both need to be tackled with a degree of urgency not seen in Ireland or any other country to date.

Let me know when you and the rest are prepared to forego any and all home heating, hot water and eat nothing but cold food.

Will I Am Not · 11-10-2019 10:41pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Incel?
I can safely assume anything you say is not worth taking any notice of.

How I feel when I see lads here using incel regularly.

end of the road · 11-10-2019 10:46pm

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Have you seen their manifesto?

They demand not just net carbon zero, but all greenhouse gases to be net zero by 2025.

Good luck with that. I look forward to your Tiananmen Square protests.

so what if that is what they want?
sure, it won't be achieved in that timeframe, but if a decent chunk is cut then that will be a success.
Tiananmen Square is irrelevant to ireland or britain, and wherever else these protests are taking place.
the country of origin is the focus of the protests, china can only be pressured to clean up through international pressure which will be possibly a bi-product.

Plumbthedepths · 11-10-2019 10:48pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

Climate change/ever increasing growth in consumption and throwaway culture - two sides of the same coin and both need to be tackled with a degree of urgency not seen in Ireland or any other country to date.

How do you deal with countries that wish to have the same level of lifestyle as Western countries?

uck51js9zml2yt · 11-10-2019 10:52pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Ok but as I said earlier, the mission statement of ER is

"using civil disobedience to compel government action on climate breakdown, biodiversity loss, and the risk of social and ecological collapse"

So environmental damage is part of their agenda. That's my main concern.

So lawlessness is answer? How about the damage being done to society by a lawless group of people who think intimidation is OK to get what they want?

SafeSurfer · 11-10-2019 10:52pm

end of the road wrote: »

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Have you seen their manifesto?

They demand not just net carbon zero, but all greenhouse gases to be net zero by 2025.

Good luck with that. I look forward to your Tiananmen Square protests.

so what if that is what they want?
sure, it won't be achieved in that timeframe, but if a decent chunk is cut then that will be a success.
Tiananmen Square is irrelevant to ireland or britain, and wherever else these protests are taking place.
the country of origin is the focus of the protests, china can only be pressured to clean up through international pressure which will be possibly a bi-product.

It’s basically middle class virtue signalling while maintaining lifestyles that the majority on the planet can only dream of.

cnocbui · 11-10-2019 10:55pm

SafeSurfer wrote: »

It’s basically middle class virtue signalling while maintaining lifestyles that the majority on the planet can only dream of.

That reminds me..

Jeff2 · 12-10-2019 12:46am

Some idiot was walking with a flag chanting stuff at about 1am here.
I guess on the was home.

I told him STFU and it worked.

Calhoun · 12-10-2019 1:19am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Go on so what research have you carried out that makes you believe the reintroduction of wolves would not have a determential effect on wildlife and livestock. Bearing in mind wolves have no existed in the wilds of this country in nearly 25O years.
Now here's your chance to prove you are not an idiot parroting what you heard that fool E Ryan say.
Failing to answer confirms you yourself are the spoofer.

Ignored like any serious challenge or questions to back up some of the stuff being said.

Took me about 2 days to figure out that being an environmentalist all you have to do is take your kids out for a day at the zoo to see the future heroes protest, watch David Attenborough, go for nature walks and holiday at home.

end of the road · 12-10-2019 2:24am

SafeSurfer wrote: »

It’s basically middle class virtue signalling while maintaining lifestyles that the majority on the planet can only dream of.

nope it's a protest around climate change and environmental issues.

a protest which has people from all walks of life involved.

Micky 32 · 12-10-2019 2:36am

end of the road wrote: »

nope it's a protest around climate change and environmental issues.

a protest which has people from all walks of life involved.

Lol , do you not think after 3 am you should be in bed resting , lights and wifi, smartphone turned off? If you were asleep you wouldn’t be using energy and you’ll be reducing your carbon footprint. ;-)

end of the road · 12-10-2019 2:54am

Micky 32 wrote: »

Lol , do you not think after 3 am you should be in bed resting , lights and wifi, smartphone turned off? If you were asleep you wouldn’t be using energy and you’ll be reducing your carbon footprint. ;-)

no as my footprint is small anyway.
and i go to bed when i decide to go.

Montage of Feck · 12-10-2019 6:48am

Micky 32 wrote: »

When they realise they are not getting what they want they will eventually resort to yellow vest tactics, wait until you see.

Other than taxing the working class what exactly do they want?

Thelonious Monk · 12-10-2019 7:15am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So you think it's an acceptable position for us in the developed West to say to underdeveloped countries 'soz guys but because of climate change blah blah ye guys can't have the lifestyle that we enjoy. Do you see a credibility problem here?

No i dont think we can say that. But i dont think we can live the way we do either, its not sustainable. Hopefully we can move towards a cleaner way of living that isnt so obsessed with consumption worldwide and put looking after the earth to the fore in government policies. It sounds like a pipe dream but i cant think how else the planet can be healthy.

Thelonious Monk · 12-10-2019 7:19am

cnocbui wrote: »

That reminds me..

Hilarious but Greta doesnt have an EV. Only an idiot would think EVs are anything but a red herring. Private car ownership of any kind is something we need to move away from sooner or later, we cant keep designing how we live around everyone having their own massive steel box.

Thelonious Monk · 12-10-2019 7:21am

The Oort Cloud wrote: »

You are talking about pollution. What has that got to do with climate change?. Too many people are getting mixed up between pollution and climate change, do they even understand the differences I wonder. Fair play to you all the same, at least you are doing something to clean-up some polluted areas, but for some odd reason a lot of folk keep talking about cleaning up pollution when their main comments are more associated with climate change - global warming. Both different issues.

As i have already explained twice, pollution and nature are part of the green movement and ER manifesto.

blinding · 12-10-2019 7:40am

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Hilarious but Greta doesnt have an EV. Only an idiot would think EVs are anything but a red herring. Private car ownership of any kind is something we need to move away from sooner or later, we cant keep designing how we live around everyone having their own massive steel box.

Should there be enough taxis ( at an affordable price ) to meet every ones needs at all times .

I think some city should try this . No privately owned cars inside say the city limits ( or some suitable border )

Could multiple passing taxis be possible now with todays phones . Much cheaper transport for multiple passenger journeys .

The thing is the governments that are playing the Green Tax Game also want all the money they receive from Private Vehicle Ownership .

Thelonious Monk · 12-10-2019 7:41am

blinding wrote: »

Should there be enough taxis ( at an affordable price ) to meet every ones needs at all times .

I think some city should try this . No privately owned cars inside say the city limits ( or some suitable border )

Could multiple passing taxis be possible now with todays phones . Much cheaper transport for multiple passenger journeys .

The thing is the governments that are playing the Green Tax Game also want all the money they receive from Private Vehicle Ownership .

There's a town in canada where the government has subsidised uber for citizens to use as public transport. Sharing schemes are the way forward.

blinding · 12-10-2019 7:50am

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

There's a town in canada where the government has subsidised uber for citizens to use as public transport. Sharing schemes are the way forward.

Sounds interesting . Hopefully not just one company , Competition is good .

Galway in Ireland should be doing something like this . Disaster traffic wise .

If self driving cars ever work out then a lot of transport problems could be solved Particularly if owning private cars in a City was prohibitively expensive .

Wanderer78 · 12-10-2019 8:10am

Thelonious Monk wrote:

There's a town in canada where the government has subsidised uber for citizens to use as public transport. Sharing schemes are the way forward.

blinding wrote:

Sounds interesting . Hopefully not just one company , Competition is good .

Uber tends to be loved by libertarians, while it monoplies pre-existing markets, driving competitors out of the market, and by also generally increasing worker insecurities in that market, we need to be extremely careful how we implement changes moving forward, market competition isn't necessarily always good for society or the environment for that matter

20Cent · 12-10-2019 8:41am

cnocbui wrote: »

That reminds me..

How about governments agree that companies cannot avail of child labour and have to pay workers in these countries a living wage. Job done. Make more difference than one person giving up their phone.

Montage of Feck · 12-10-2019 8:55am

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

There's a town in canada where the government has subsidised uber for citizens to use as public transport. Sharing schemes are the way forward.

Uber are the epitome of everything that's wrong with the growing consumerist society.

Thelonious Monk · 12-10-2019 9:02am

Montage of Feck wrote: »

Uber are the epitome of everything that's wrong with the growing consumerist society.

Yes its basically a pyramid scheme. I was just pointing out a gov subsidised kind of car sharing scheme in one city to show that there are other ways.

Plumbthedepths · 12-10-2019 9:08am

Calhoun wrote: »

Ignored like any serious challenge or questions to back up some of the stuff being said.

Took me about 2 days to figure out that being an environmentalist all you have to do is take your kids out for a day at the zoo to see the future heroes protest, watch David Attenborough, go for nature walks and holiday at home.

Tbh I didn't expect an answer to my question as I suspect Beech is nothing but a windup merchant.

blinding · 12-10-2019 9:14am

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Yes its basically a pyramid scheme. I was just pointing out a gov subsidised kind of car sharing scheme in one city to show that there are other ways.

Hows about the government controlled the technology / computer side of Uber and let licensed operators avail of that technology /computer side .

Uber seem to have too much control of this market . A monopoly .

12-10-2019 9:20am

20Cent wrote: »

How about governments agree that companies cannot avail of child labour and have to pay workers in these countries a living wage. Job done. Make more difference than one person giving up their phone.

What a fantastic idea..
Why didn't anyone else think of this?

You should tell people..
I reckon you'd be a shoe in for next years Nobel Peace Prize..

20Cent · 12-10-2019 9:26am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What a fantastic idea..
Why didn't anyone else think of this?

You should tell people..
I reckon you'd be a shoe in for next years Nobel Peace Prize..

Thanks.
I'm sure plenty of people have thought of that. But the political will isn't there to implement such policies. Political will comes from public pressure which is what ER is doing.

Micky 32 · 12-10-2019 9:45am

end of the road wrote: »

no as my footprint is small anyway.
and i go to bed when i decide to go.

My post was meant for a bit of light heartness but seeing as you mentioned it that your carbon footprint is small it’s still part of a huge footprint. How many people in the world are up late like you and i lights on and on their computers? Adds up to a lot of energy use worldwide

As for the second part of your sentence, exactly!. No one likes to be told what to do when their freedom is threathened. No one will be told when they can and can’t fly or drive especially by ER

20Cent · 12-10-2019 9:47am

How about a grant for businesses to buy video conferencing equipment or a tax break for reducing business flights. All types of options available.

Plumbthedepths · 12-10-2019 9:48am

20Cent wrote: »

Thanks.
I'm sure plenty of people have thought of that. But the political will isn't there to implement such policies. Political will comes from public pressure which is what ER is doing.

People need governments to help them make an ethical consumer choice?

20Cent · 12-10-2019 9:49am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

People need governments to help them make an ethical consumer choice?

Sure looks like that doesn't it.

Plumbthedepths · 12-10-2019 9:51am

20Cent wrote: »

Sure looks like that doesn't it.

Well basically it makes people like these clowns in ER complete hypocrites tbh. Using products that are known to exploit child labour.

cnocbui · 12-10-2019 9:53am

20Cent wrote: »

Sure looks like that doesn't it.

In that case, the government should just take everyone's money from them and buy the things they think people should have. People are innately irresponsible and selfish and shouldn't be allowed to act with free will.

Wanderer78 · 12-10-2019 9:53am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Well basically it makes people like these clowns in ER complete hypocrites tbh. Using products that are known to exploit child labour.

you ll find all of us are hypocrites at some stage in life, i pride myself in my hypocrisy

Wanderer78 · 12-10-2019 9:54am

cnocbui wrote: »

In that case, the government should just take everyone's money from them and buy the things they think people should have. People are innately irresponsible and selfish and shouldn't be allowed to act with free will.

free will.....hahaha ffs, no such thing on this planet

Plumbthedepths · 12-10-2019 9:56am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

you ll find all of us are hypocrites at some stage in life, i pride myself in my hypocrisy

It's the pretence they are not hypocrites that I find amusing.

Micky 32 · 12-10-2019 9:56am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It's the pretence they are not hypocrites that I find amusing.

And this thread is full of them lol

cnocbui · 12-10-2019 10:00am

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Hilarious but Greta doesnt have an EV. Only an idiot would think EVs are anything but a red herring. Private car ownership of any kind is something we need to move away from sooner or later, we cant keep designing how we live around everyone having their own massive steel box.

Good idea. Think I'll go find some companies making saddles and equestrian clothing and pile in to the max. Returns should be epic.

vriesmays · 12-10-2019 10:02am

She didn't win the Nobel Prize because man-made climate change isn't scientific enough, not enough proof.

Plumbthedepths · 12-10-2019 10:05am

vriesmays wrote: »

She didn't win the Nobel Prize because man-made climate change isn't scientific enough, not enough proof.

I'm intrigued that some actually thought she would win, for what having a rant at the UN and skipping school?

cnocbui · 12-10-2019 10:08am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

free will.....hahaha ffs, no such thing on this planet

I shall address any future replies directly to the alien puppetmaster riding on the back of your neck that has taken over your shell. What is it's name, so that I can address it correctly?

cnocbui · 12-10-2019 10:10am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I'm intrigued that some actually thought she would win, for what having a rant at the UN and skipping school?

You forgot the thrilling ocean cruise of a lifetime in a multimillion racing yacht.

Plumbthedepths · 12-10-2019 10:12am

cnocbui wrote: »

You forgot the thrilling ocean cruise of a lifetime in a multimillion racing yacht.

I ignored that stunt for what it was.

Wanderer78 · 12-10-2019 10:17am

cnocbui wrote: »

I shall address any future replies directly to the alien puppetmaster riding on the back of your neck that has taken over your shell. What is it's name, so that I can address it correctly?

we dont have free will on this planet, everyone has limitations and restrictions set upon them from birth till death

12-10-2019 10:22am

vriesmays wrote: »

She didn't win the Nobel Prize because man-made climate change isn't scientific enough, not enough proof.

Was it not that climate change and it’s affect on wars that there wasn’t sufficient proof of? Nothing to do with climate change per se.

Thelonious Monk · 12-10-2019 10:24am

cnocbui wrote: »

Good idea. Think I'll go find some companies making saddles and equestrian clothing and pile in to the max. Returns should be epic.

Ah sure youre right lets just focus on everyone having their own car because that will work out well for towns and cities

Plumbthedepths · 12-10-2019 10:29am

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Ah sure youre right lets just focus on everyone having their own car because that will work out well for towns and cities

The majority of people are well aware that cars are not the way forward for towns and cities, unfortunately outside of larger cities/towns public transport is non existent. No need to even mention rurally.

Beechwoodspark · 12-10-2019 10:39am

Just in case anyone is wondering i didn’t go to the camp this morn. For 3 reasons

Kids were not overly interested
Rugby match is on
I was told by my buddy at the camp they were in clean up and take down mode and not much to be gained by dropping in this morning when they’d be busy

UPDATE - my friend meant he personally was leaving the camp this morn. As other posters have alerted - there is a programme of activities for the full wkend so I might mosey down tomorro.

Extinction Rebellion Ireland

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