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TII Motorway Service Areas (MSA) Progress Thread

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,506 ✭✭✭ blackwhite


    The same people who own them. The government bodies in the respective juristictions. TII in the South and whoever their counterpart is in NI.

    TII funded the build, but the design was ultimately down to the operator.

    TII issue a request for tenders, and specify the key requirements of what they want to be included in the service area.

    Tenders get submitted by a number if potential operators, which include the design and subsequent operation of the sites. TII (NRA at the time) would bear the cost of construction - but based on the tenderee’s design - and recover the capital as part of the rental (based on sales royalties).

    Superstop (a consortium of Applegreen and Tedcastles (Top Oil)) won the M1 and M4 services - and the sites were built based on their design from the tender docs.

    In most other counties the tender process includes the operator taking responsibility for the build of the site. Not sure why NRA decided to take on the build themselves


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,506 ✭✭✭ blackwhite


    Was there a similar tender for NI M2 and M1?

    No idea on specifics - but I’d imagine so given it’s standard practice for online MSAs across Europe


    EDIT

    A small bit of googling suggests that this is yet another area where NI likes to be different.

    Articles suggest that Applegreen built them independently and received an allowance for online access

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-21029188


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,276 ✭✭✭✭ flazio


    ongarboy wrote: »
    Someone from NI visits one MSA visit in the Republic once and makes an absolute comparison based on a single visit? Secondly, does anyone seriously expect an MSA to be a an oasis or sanctuary of peace and harmony to linger and dwell for hours ?

    Most motorists want a clean, efficient stop off place where they can refuel, grab and go rather than hang out in a health spa environment. Granted, some MSAs down south have become victims of their own success as locals use it for their daily feed of carvery/Whopper/Big Mac, tables left dirty, queues etc.

    Birdhill Applegreen is my favorite for spaciousness, least crowds and cleanliness and Obama my least favorite for the exact opposite reasons

    Depends on how long it will take to recharge the battery.


  • Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭ BelfastVanMan


    flazio wrote: »
    ongarboy wrote: »
    Someone from NI visits one MSA visit in the Republic once and makes an absolute comparison based on a single visit? Secondly, does anyone seriously expect an MSA to be a an oasis or sanctuary of peace and harmony to linger and dwell for hours ?

    Most motorists want a clean, efficient stop off place where they can refuel, grab and go rather than hang out in a health spa environment. Granted, some MSAs down south have become victims of their own success as locals use it for their daily feed of carvery/Whopper/Big Mac, tables left dirty, queues etc.

    Birdhill Applegreen is my favorite for spaciousness, least crowds and cleanliness and Obama my least favorite for the exact opposite reasons

    Depends on how long it will take to recharge the battery.

    Agreed, I don't appreciate screaming wee'uns running about after a long day behind the wheel, or dirty toilets, or overpriced, nasty "food" or fuel.

    A good set of services makes all the difference.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,276 ✭✭✭✭ flazio


    I actually meant an EV battery but your point is valid as well. :cool:


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  • Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭ BelfastVanMan


    flazio wrote: »
    I actually meant an EV battery but your point is valid as well. :cool:

    Woops, sorry...I meant to reply to the thread you replied to...apologies. :-)


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭ spacetweek


    Considering it's all the same island, it is highly unlikely there is any noticeable difference between NI MSAs and ROI ones. I always find MSAs anywhere to be bland and corporate.
    The guy asking why they're different is imagining things.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The NI ones are a bit pokey and there’s only two of them, but they’ve Greggs so all is forgiven.


  • Registered Users Posts: 918 ✭✭✭ riddlinrussell


    spacetweek wrote: »
    Considering it's all the same island, it is highly unlikely there is any noticeable difference between NI MSAs and ROI ones. I always find MSAs anywhere to be bland and corporate.
    The guy asking why they're different is imagining things.

    The ones up north are indeed a different design than the ones down south, made more noticeable by them also being applegreens, they are also slightly different from each other up North. However given there are now Circle K MSAs of an entirely different design again I think it's just a case that the NI MSAs are practically brand new while the ones on the M1 in the south are over a decade old.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭ Chris_5339762


    The NI ones are a bit pokey and there’s only two of them, but they’ve Greggs so all is forgiven.


    Three, with a fourth coming :D


    M1 Lisburn north and south, and one outbound on the M2 just outside Belfast.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Three, with a forth coming :D


    M1 Lisburn north and south, and one outbound on the M2 just outside Belfast.

    I forgot there was both sides at Lisburn. I’d be a regular stopper at Templepatrick. Where’s the 4th going?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭ Chris_5339762




  • Registered Users Posts: 17,823 ✭✭✭✭ road_high


    Three, with a forth coming :D


    M1 Lisburn north and south, and one outbound on the M2 just outside Belfast.

    That’s their motorway “network” more than well served so.


  • Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭ BelfastVanMan


    The Department for Infrastructure in NI.

    Why aren't Applegreen given the contract for all islandwide MSAs considering they are probably the best option?

    Also, why are the NI MSAs superior in terms of comfort and quality?

    NI get a £10 billion a year donation from Westmister.

    Sorry, but that is nonsense.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭ spacetweek


    Three, with a fourth coming :D


    M1 Lisburn north and south, and one outbound on the M2 just outside Belfast.

    If Lisburn north and south are across the road from each other, that should really only count as 1.
    The ones on the ROI M1 are on opposite sides of the motorway with no connection between them and each of those only counts as 1.
    So there are only 2 in NI.


  • Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭ BelfastVanMan


    spacetweek wrote: »
    Three, with a fourth coming :D


    M1 Lisburn north and south, and one outbound on the M2 just outside Belfast.

    If Lisburn north and south are across the road from each other, that should really only count as 1.
    The ones on the ROI M1 are on opposite sides of the motorway with no connection between them and each of those only counts as 1.
    So there are only 2 in NI.

    Hardly...try walking from one to the other.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,522 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Sam Russell


    Hardly...try walking from one to the other.

    It is a motorway so you cannot walk anywhere.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,823 ✭✭✭✭ road_high




  • Registered Users Posts: 10,640 ✭✭✭✭ JupiterKid


    road_high wrote: »

    Looking forward to this. Does anyone know if this services will have a McDonalds?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,506 ✭✭✭ blackwhite


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Looking forward to this. Does anyone know if this services will have a McDonalds?

    Tender included a fast food offering, and McD's are the current partner of choice for Circle K.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,201 ✭✭✭ ongarboy


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Looking forward to this. Does anyone know if this services will have a McDonalds?

    McDs confirmed for Kilcullen. Hiring of staff underway.

    https://www.leinsterleader.ie/news/news/482302/mcdonalds-coming-to-kilcullen-and-hiring-staff.html


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭ spacetweek


    Hardly...try walking from one to the other.

    You can't walk between the ones in the ROI either! That's the point I'm making.


  • Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭ BelfastVanMan


    spacetweek wrote: »
    Hardly...try walking from one to the other.

    You can't walk between the ones in the ROI either! That's the point I'm making.

    The one facing the M2 (NI) Applegreen was supposed to be finished by now, but for some reason, no more work other than a tiny bit of site clearance ever took place.
    I wonder what happened....


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,823 ✭✭✭✭ road_high


    Signs all up for the M9 Kilcullen MSA. Some not covered over so might be a tad confusing for non regulars


  • Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭ emfifty


    road_high wrote: »
    Signs all up for the M9 Kilcullen MSA. Some not covered over so might be a tad confusing for non regulars

    This day 2 weeks for the "Grand Opening"... roll on for the first online MSA in Co. Kildare! :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,823 ✭✭✭✭ road_high


    emfifty wrote: »
    This day 2 weeks for the "Grand Opening"... roll on for the first online MSA in Co. Kildare! :)

    Is J14 Mayfield not online?


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    road_high wrote: »
    Is J14 Mayfield not online?

    It’s on a normal junction rather than it’s own.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭ barneygumble99


    Friday 25th October

    We're celebrating the grand opening of our new site at Circle K M9 Kilcullen from 9am - 7pm. To mark the occasion motorists can fuel up with miles for 10c less per litre all day (from 12.00am to 11.59pm)!


    In addition to the fuel offer, the following instore offers will be available at Circle K M9 Kilcullen on Friday 25th October only:
    • Spinning wheel competitions
    • €2 Real Hot Dogs
    • 50% off any purchase from the Circle K deli range
    • Free pastry with any purchase of Simply Great Coffee
    ..and other surprises on the day!


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,633 ✭✭✭ patrickc


    m9 station opened yesterday


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭ spacetweek


    patrickc wrote: »
    m9 station opened yesterday

    Really? Can't find anything on the web and it was only supposed to open today last I heard.

    Edit: Well, there is this.


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