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Alberto Salazar banned for 4 years

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  • Registered Users Posts: 117 ✭✭echat


    Chivito550 wrote: »
    Setting up a new thread so it doesn't destroy the World Championships thread and because it's worthy of its own topic.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/athletics/49882757?__twitter_impression=true

    Not great timing for this to be announced with the World championships on and presenting us with bizarre things like midnight marathons. It took a very long time for the investigation to be completed and NIKE appear to have supported their project the whole way.

    I would prefer to see a new person leading the IAAF and related bodies as the British/American/Australian/Canadian grouping is too arrogant and political.


  • Registered Users Posts: 601 ✭✭✭Slow_Runner


    Not at all surprising, this now puts a question mark on all NOP athletes. Feel sorry for any clean athlete (if any) in that group.
    Will be interesting to see what Nike do now if the appeal fails


  • Registered Users Posts: 117 ✭✭echat


    On reflection maybe the timing was deliberate in the hope that news from Doha would get preference and this would get less notice. Raises questions and huge disappointments for athletes who missed out on medals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    Isn't that where Coleman was when he missed one of his drug tests ?

    Anyway.

    CEO of Nike to Salazar in an email after Salazar informed him of an experiment rubbing Androgel on his son to determine how much would trigger a positive test:

    “Jeff, Thanks for the update on the tests. It will be interesting to determine the minimal amount of topical male hormone required to create a positive test. Are there other topical hormones that would create more dramatic results . . . or other substances that would accelerate the rate of absorption into the body?”

    There will be a lot of clambering to interview Sifan Hassan and Clayton Murphy at Doha this week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,896 ✭✭✭Sacksian


    Really satisfying to see this. It may be bit like cutting a head off a hydra, but at least it shows that the sport is willing to tackle practices that undermine its integrity.

    If you look back at some of the most high-profile doping abuses in US sport in recent years (Lance Armstrong, Salazar, Marion Jones, Justin Gatlin, Alex Rodriguez), there's a common denominator and Nike should see some of the fallout from this. Some of the stuff they've pulled over the years, with the USATF, athlete's contracts, etc, shows they're not interested in the health of the sport or even their own athletes. I'll continue my own Nike boycott (think there are a couple of others who do the same).

    p.s. And I hope the Vaporfly's go with them!


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 564 ✭✭✭Checkmate19


    Doubts about all his athletes. Farah been in the shower and not hearing the testers
    Give me a break.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,730 ✭✭✭Ceepo


    A bitter sweet day for athletics.
    I have followed Athletics for more years that I care to remember. And days like this give the "knockers" more sh*t to throw.

    But make no mistake this is a good day for Athletics. When you have guys like him banned.
    This only proves that Athletics are at least trying to clean up the sport. Salazar is a huge name, back by Nike, who no doubt make huge investments in Athletes and Athletics. And as such I feared this day wouldn't come..

    I certainly casts bigger shadow over Radcliffe Mo Farah, Rupp, Hassan etc etc.

    Hopefully the reason USADA took so long was to make the case against him water tight. Salazar and his ilk have no place in Athletics.

    It's a great day for Athletics


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,855 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    The panel determined that Salazar committed the following violations of the Code:

    -Administration of a Prohibited Method (with respect to an infusion in excess of the applicable limit),
    -Tampering and/or attempted tampering with NOP athletes’ doping control process, and
    -Trafficking and/or Attempted Trafficking of testosterone.

    The panel determined that Brown violated anti-doping rules by:

    -Tampering with L-carnitine records under WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency) Code Art. 2.5 (2009 & 2015), which carries a sanction of 2 years WADA Code Art. 10.3.1 (2009), and 4 years under WADA Code Art. 10.3.1 (2015).
    -Administration of an over-limit L-carnitine infusion under WADA Code Art. 2.8 (2009 & 2015), which carries a minimum sanction of 4 years up to a maximum lifetime ban under WADA Code Art. 10.3.2 (2009) and WADA Code Art. 10.3.3 (2015).
    -Complicity in Salazar’s trafficking of testosterone under WADA Code Art. 2.8 (2009) and WADA Code Art. 2.9 (2015). Under WADA Code Art. 10.3.2 (2009), a complicity violation carries a minimum sanction of 4 years up to a maximum lifetime ban. Under WADA Code Art. 10.3.4 (2015), a complicity violation carries a sanction of 2 to 4 years.


    Will they know which athletes were involved in this ?

    Will never understand Hassan moves to Salazar after her reaction to Genzebe Dibaba in the indoors.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,084 ✭✭✭BeepBeep67


    The knock on effect has impacted many athletes, how many have missed out on invites to meetings to assisit their development, missed out on qualifiying for championships, championship medals, lucrative contracts, etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Ceepo wrote: »
    A bitter sweet day for athletics.
    I have followed Athletics for more years that I care to remember. And days like this give the "knockers" more sh*t to throw.

    Facts to throw, and the derogatory term of knockers is a bizarre term to be using considering everything we know and that has been proven.

    When a high profile coach, knowing his athletes, is banned you don't want to be immediately on the defensive. It's not a good look.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 24 chief orman


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Facts to throw, and the derogatory term of knockers is a bizarre term to be using considering everything we know and that has been proven.

    When a high profile coach, knowing his athletes, is banned you don't want to be immediately on the defensive. It's not a good look.

    I think it is a great day for athletics as it is facing up to the problem and will overcome it. Contrast this to Rugby where the blazers & ex players just stick their heads in the sand and deny there is a problem in their game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    I think it is a great day for athletics as it is facing up to the problem and will overcome it. Contrast this to Rugby where the blazers & ex players just stick their heads in the sand and deny there is a problem in their game.

    Straight from the distraction play book, "but look over there....".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 362 ✭✭nannerby


    I think it is a great day for athletics as it is facing up to the problem and will overcome it. Contrast this to Rugby where the blazers & ex players just stick their heads in the sand and deny there is a problem in their game.

    Didn't take long to start deflecting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,730 ✭✭✭Ceepo


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Facts to throw, and the derogatory term of knockers is a bizarre term to be using considering everything we know and that has been proven.

    When a high profile coach, knowing his athletes, is banned you don't want to be immediately on the defensive. It's not a good look.

    Of course you're right.. facts to throw..
    Maybe I wasnt clear enough when I used the term knockers. I was referring to the people who like to knock Athletics while burying their head in the sand about other sports. I'm certainly not as you put it "on the defensive ". For the record I'm delight that Salazar has been banned, and if there is evidence that his athletes doped, I'd hope they are banned also. We can speculate about athletes he has coached having been plucked for also runners to world beaters but that's not enough to have them banned..
    We all know theres a drug problem in Athletics. Nobody on here would dispute that..
    I wasnt trying to deflect by mentioning other sports that bury there head in the sand and refuse to believe PEDs dont exist in other sports.

    As I also point out, that's it's a good day for Athletics. While the powers to be might be fighting a up hill battle, it's a battle that they're not afraid to take on. At the very least they're proactive it trying to clean it up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,606 ✭✭✭ultrapercy


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Straight from the distraction play book, "but look over there....".

    Only nobody ever looks over there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,606 ✭✭✭ultrapercy


    nannerby wrote: »
    Didn't take long to start deflecting.

    You'r deflecting the deflection.


  • Site Banned Posts: 97 ✭✭SelmaHayek


    Will more emerge about the athletes caught up in this? Evidence on who was doping?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 564 ✭✭✭Checkmate19


    I can name one for sure who was doping


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 564 ✭✭✭Checkmate19


    Every athlete involved needs ti be looked at. When lance was at it nearly the whole team new. Id say its similar in this case.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I can name one for sure who was doping

    Take a MOment to check the charter before you name anyone ;)


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 564 ✭✭✭Checkmate19


    Love to know the real reason for farahs two missed tests before the olympics. Id have a good guess


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 564 ✭✭✭Checkmate19


    Not naming anyone. Dont think its rocket science. I think most people know just havnt got the proff yet.


  • Registered Users Posts: 687 ✭✭✭reg114


    Mo Farah's association with Salazar will have to come under increased scrutiny now as will his sudden improvement at the time of this relationship beginning.

    Haile gebreselassie will be smiling given what transpired here

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/apr/24/sir-mo-farah-attacks-haile-gebrselassie-over-ethiopia-hotel-theft


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 564 ✭✭✭Checkmate19


    Totally. Improvements. Missing drug tests. Galand ruth found to be on a doping program. Salazar banned. Whole thing stinks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,855 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    The only sad thing about it so far is the ban, it should be for life


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,730 ✭✭✭Ceepo


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Straight from the distraction play book, "but look over there....".

    Distraction. How is it distraction? The op said it was a good day for Athletics. Why, because it had handed down a ban to one of the most prominent coaches of the last 10 years. Proactively trying to clean up the sport.

    They didn't try hide or deny that there's a ped problem in Athletics.

    Pointing out that other sports refuse to believe that they have ped issues is not a distraction to the topic here.. it is a fact


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,730 ✭✭✭Ceepo


    Sorry. Double post


  • Site Banned Posts: 97 ✭✭SelmaHayek


    Ceepo wrote: »
    Distraction. How is it distraction? The op said it was a good day for Athletics. Why, because it had handed down a ban to one of the most prominent coaches of the last 10 years. Proactively trying to clean up the sport.

    They didn't try hide or deny that there's a ped problem in Athletics.

    Pointing out that other sports refuse to believe that they have ped issues is not a distraction to the topic here.. it is a fact

    Or maybe other sports are cleaner?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    SelmaHayek wrote: »
    Or maybe other sports are cleaner?

    Nobody is this naive surely?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,855 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    SelmaHayek wrote: »
    Or maybe other sports are cleaner?

    Not the forum for it, but stop dreaming


  • Site Banned Posts: 97 ✭✭SelmaHayek


    pconn062 wrote: »
    Nobody is this naive surely?

    Well, one of the biggest names in coaching within athletics just got a 4 year ban, he has had many big name athletes in his camp including some of the big names from this World athletic championships. I don't see that happening in many other sports.
    This can be painted as athletics going after drug cheats or it could be because drugs are rifer in athletics. My own view is that drugs are prevelent across all sports but there's a higher level in athletics than most.


  • Registered Users Posts: 946 ✭✭✭KSU


    SelmaHayek wrote: »
    Or maybe other sports are cleaner?

    Sadly not just does't get same attention

    https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-doping-probe-launched-as-two-samples-vanish-on-way-to-laboratory-35983032.html
    Fuentes allegedly threatens to sell the names of other athletes with whom he has worked. "How I prepared a team to play in the Champions League," is one category of revelations he offers, according to an email sent by his lawyers. Another is: "My medical relationship with winners of the London marathon". The Guardian quotes his lawyer Josee Miguel Lledo saying: "He has received approaches from several media organisations, offering money. This is a list of subjects he can talk about, but he won't do that until appeals have been lodged later in May. Appeals launched by multiple parties including WADA and UCI.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2016/06/16/operation-puerto-doctor-admits-major-names-could-be-involved-in/

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39383967

    https://www.mmamania.com/2019/1/23/18195174/ufc-232-jon-jones-vada-tests-positive-result-lingering-steroid-metabolite-mma


  • Registered Users Posts: 946 ✭✭✭KSU




  • Site Banned Posts: 97 ✭✭SelmaHayek


    KSU wrote: »

    So just as I said, it's not happening as much in other sports. I don't think anyone can claim that all sports are clean apart from athletics. Clearly not the case. Athletics does seem to have a very deep problem with doping though. Even in the current world championships, many have a cloud over them.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭jamule


    a good day for athletics, they eventually got some mud to stick.
    its not like he has no history,especially with testosterone, remember it was 96 when he wasn't Deckers coach

    Unfortunately the complicate athletes will prob never be done, but at least we know their guilt .

    as for nike, they need to be told to fook off, people need to see them for what they are.
    Imagine the pressure the contracted athletes were put under to follow orders.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,730 ✭✭✭Ceepo


    Reports that Salazar has been kicked out of Doha..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 362 ✭✭nannerby


    I wonder will the BBC mention Farah when this is brought up on their coverage later.


  • Registered Users Posts: 946 ✭✭✭KSU


    SelmaHayek wrote: »
    So just as I said, it's not happening as much in other sports. I don't think anyone can claim that all sports are clean apart from athletics. Clearly not the case. Athletics does seem to have a very deep problem with doping though. Even in the current world championships, many have a cloud over them.

    Off the top of my head here are the teams in football I can think of that have similar clouds

    Man Utd - Jaap Stam/Rio Ferdinand
    Man City - Pep, Whereabouts
    Chelsea - Adrian Mutu
    Real Madrid - Operation Fuentes
    Barcelona - Operation Fuetntes
    West Ham - Whereabouts
    Bayern Munich - Ties to Hans-Wilhelm Müller-Wohlfahrt, multiple historical documents (past 60 years)
    Bolton - big Sams introduction to "sport science)
    Greek Euro Winning team - 2004 Greek Doping scandal prior to Olympics

    And that is just off the top of my head.

    Some might call this whataboutery the simple fact is drugs heavily influence professional sport across the board these days. Sports can either ignore and suspend belief or aim to tackle to save a semblance of credibility, the latter tends to damage the reputation more but overall integrity of the sport.

    (I say this as an avid fan of both)


  • Registered Users Posts: 946 ✭✭✭KSU


    Ceepo wrote: »
    Reports that Salazar has been kicked out of Doha..

    Has to be no longer has credentials to be anywhere near the stadium.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 24 chief orman


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Straight from the distraction play book, "but look over there....".

    Not a distraction at all. I want a huge spotlight put on athletics as it suits those of us who play by the rules. I was only contrasting the approach between the IAAF and the RFU. The latter still have not admitted they have a problem in their sport.


  • Site Banned Posts: 97 ✭✭SelmaHayek


    KSU wrote: »
    Off the top of my head here are the teams in football I can think of that have similar clouds

    Man Utd - Jaap Stam/Rio Ferdinand
    Man City - Pep, Whereabouts
    Chelsea - Adrian Mutu
    Real Madrid - Operation Fuentes
    Barcelona - Operation Fuetntes
    West Ham - Whereabouts
    Bayern Munich - Ties to Hans-Wilhelm Müller-Wohlfahrt, multiple historical documents (past 60 years)
    Bolton - big Sams introduction to "sport science)
    Greek Euro Winning team - 2004 Greek Doping scandal prior to Olympics

    And that is just off the top of my head.

    Some might call this whataboutery the simple fact is drugs heavily influence professional sport across the board these days. Sports can either ignore and suspend belief or aim to tackle to save a semblance of credibility, the latter tends to damage the reputation more but overall integrity of the sport.

    (I say this as an avid fan of both)

    As I said, no one can deny every sport has drug issues. The level of it can be argued. This years world championships for example. There's clouds over Cloeman in the men's 100m. The man that came second has been banned twice. Some nations have been banned from competing, others who've been picking up a lot of medals have very questionable anti doping procedures. With this ban, a cloud is now over one of the stars. That's just a few examples and I haven't gone into past events.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 362 ✭✭nannerby


    Disappointing from the BBC,cram especially very weak they seem to be afraid of condemning the Nike project for fear of implicating Farah.


  • Registered Users Posts: 946 ✭✭✭KSU


    nannerby wrote: »
    Disappointing from the BBC,cram especially very weak they seem to be afraid of condemning the Nike project for fear of implicating Farah.

    Goes worse than that. Salazar was a consultant for UKA.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭Sheridan81


    It would be great to see Salazar's much lauded M.o. exposed as a complete cheating fraud.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    This has to put Mo Farah under massive scrutiny.

    The BBC silence is deafening.

    Has Sebastian Coe said anything yet?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,855 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    This has to put Mo Farah under massive scrutiny.

    The BBC silence is deafening.

    Has Sebastian Coe said anything yet?

    Mr Coe would never say anything. Once he gets the money he doesn't care what happens in the sport.

    World Championships proved that


  • Registered Users Posts: 24 chief orman


    Sheridan81 wrote: »
    It would be great to see Salazar's much lauded M.o. exposed as a complete cheating fraud.

    Only if he is guilty of course.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,621 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    pconn062 wrote: »
    Nobody is this naive surely?

    Poster said cleaner!!! Not clean.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,621 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Only if he is guilty of course.

    No no. Forget proof...let’s just get him any way we can..


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