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The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

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    #3752
    adrian522
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,112 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    It also counts against the Patriots cap whether they pay him or not. 4.5m in 2019 and 4.5m in 2020


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    #3753
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,101 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Christy42 wrote: »
    Did he know about the allegation before it?

    I mean presumably he knew of the incident but if is to be assumed innocent then how he could have known the allegation was coming?

    Anyway it didn't affect his ability to play. He was left off the exemption list and played with that cloud over him. But he still played and I see no reason he would not have been available if the Pats had not cut him.

    It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. The Patriots still played him after hearing about the sexual assault claim, so it weakens their argument of him not informing them about that allegation being the cause of his release. The new one hasn't yet impacted his ability to play and may never, as some here pointing that Hill got away with his situation.

    Best case for them is that someone picks him up, as the talk prior to the Patriots signing was that AB would go after the Raiders with a grievance and he probably now has a much stronger case against the Patriots.


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    #3754
    Adamcp898
    Registered Users Posts: 5,469 ✭✭✭Adamcp898


    He wasn’t prevented from playing by the league so I’m not sure how that can be used as an argument for not paying/taking the cap hit.

    Looks like they just came to the realisation that keeping him around, even for a short time until a decision on whether he could play or not and possibly save them money, would do more damage to their reputation than it was worth and it was better to cut him loose.


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    #3755
    jack presley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    AB not going out without a parting shot

    https://twitter.com/AB84/status/1175764859176312838


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    #3756
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,807 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Christy42 wrote: »
    Did he know about the allegation before it?

    I mean presumably he knew of the incident but if is to be assumed innocent then how he could have known the allegation was coming?

    Anyway it didn't affect his ability to play. He was left off the exemption list and played with that cloud over him. But he still played and I see no reason he would not have been available if the Pats had not cut him.
    He was well aware of the allegations and his legal team has been in settlement talks for months. He didn't reveal this to the Patriots, or the league as far as I'm aware.


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    #3757
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,807 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    jack presley wrote: »
    AB not going out without a parting shot

    https://twitter.com/AB84/status/1175764859176312838
    He really is off his rocker comparing Kraft being in a dodgy massage parlor with the accusations against him. Using the racist card makes it worse.



    I'm not sure if he is just a stupid man or if he really is suffering from some mental illness.


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    #3758
    jack presley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    eagle eye wrote: »
    I'm not sure if he is just a stupid man or if he really is suffering from some mental illness.

    Probably a bit of both.


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    #3759
    jack presley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    He seems to be taking shots at a load of people on his Twitter - Kraft, Ben Rothelsiberger, Shannon Sharpe


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    #3760
    Realt Dearg Sec
    Registered Users Posts: 10,843 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    It's everyone's fault except Antonio's.


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    #3761
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,657 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Christy42 wrote: »
    Did he know about the allegation before it?

    I mean presumably he knew of the incident but if is to be assumed innocent then how he could have known the allegation was coming?

    Anyway it didn't affect his ability to play. He was left off the exemption list and played with that cloud over him. But he still played and I see no reason he would not have been available if the Pats had not cut him.
    He was well aware of the allegations and his legal team has been in settlement talks for months. He didn't reveal this to the Patriots, or the league as far as I'm aware.
    Yeah it was because the settlement talks broke down that they came to light. And the patriots said they wouldn't have signed him if they'd known about the allegations. I mean those text messages where another level of stupid on his part. I mean he'd landed with the patriots, he'd have had a good chance of getting to a super bowl and all he had to do was keep the head down and tip away and just do what he's actually good at. But given what he's done this off season I'm not surprised he couldn't do what he needed to do.


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    #3762
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,101 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    eagle eye wrote: »
    He was well aware of the allegations and his legal team has been in settlement talks for months. He didn't reveal this to the Patriots, or the league as far as I'm aware.

    A signing bonus is generally treated very differently than other guarantees, requiring a narrow scope of issues to void it whereas other clauses can be inserted to void other guaranteed money. This seems far from as cut and dry as you're making out.

    Over the cap wrote a piece about it.

    https://twitter.com/Jason_OTC/status/1175390255081558017


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    #3763
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,101 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Yeah it was because the settlement talks broke down that they came to light. And the patriots said they wouldn't have signed him if they'd known about the allegations. I mean those text messages where another level of stupid on his part. I mean he'd landed with the patriots, he'd have had a good chance of getting to a super bowl and all he had to do was keep the head down and tip away and just do what he's actually good at. But given what he's done this off season I'm not surprised he couldn't do what he needed to do.

    Hard to get on their moral high horse or use that argument legally that they wouldn't have signed him if they knew when they neither cut him when the allegations came out nor even made him inactive while they 'investigated', they pushed ahead and played him in a game that was obviously going to be a blowout.


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    #3764
    Big Pussy Bonpensiero
    Registered Users Posts: 7,776 ✭✭✭Big Pussy Bonpensiero


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    Hard to get on their moral high horse or use that argument legally that they wouldn't have signed him if they knew when they neither cut him when the allegations came out nor even made him inactive while they 'investigated', they pushed ahead and played him in a game that was obviously going to be a blowout.

    Who exactly is getting on their moral high horse? He was cut because of the text messages, not because of the lawsuit. The lawsuit was filed civilly, not criminally. To cut/suspend anyone for a civil case would set a dangerous precedent.


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    #3765
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,807 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote:
    Who exactly is getting on their moral high horse? He was cut because of the text messages, not because of the lawsuit. The lawsuit was filed civilly, not criminally. To cut/suspend anyone for a civil case would set a dangerous precedent.

    The key is he didn't tell them about the civil case. If he had done that then everything including the text messages would not matter. The fact he didn't tell them about it voids his contract as far as I'm aware.


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    #3766
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,101 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote: »
    Who exactly is getting on their moral high horse? He was cut because of the text messages, not because of the lawsuit. The lawsuit was filed civilly, not criminally. To cut/suspend anyone for a civil case would set a dangerous precedent.

    I quoted a poster that claimed the Patriots are now saying that they wouldn't have signed him if they'd known about the civil case, which I hadn't heard and if true stinks of trying to reclaim moral high ground, which goes completely against their actions of playing him last week after the facts of the lawsuit emerged.

    I agree with you that he was cut because of the text messages and the fact that he was going to be a continued distraction, neither of which are valid to try to hold a player's signing bonus.
    eagle eye wrote: »
    The key is he didn't tell them about the civil case. If he had done that then everything including the text messages would not matter. The fact he didn't tell them about it voids his contract as far as I'm aware.

    Again, they played him last week which weakens their hand of trying to point to the civil case being the issue. It also is much more difficult to void a signing bonus, he signed and played for the team and didn't breach the normal points that would lead to signing bonus becoming void.


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    #3767
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,101 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Looks like there are no team willing to pay the price to trade for Ramsey so he'll be staying with the Jags for a while.

    Reported price is 2 firsts, would anyone want their team to pay that for him? 49ers still have too many holes and no 2nd round pick for 2020 so I don't think I'd be in on it. Would think a contender like the Eagles that has depth in a lot of positions or a team with extra 1st pick like the Raiders should be willing to pay that price.


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    #3768
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,807 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Foxtrol wrote:
    Again, they played him last week which weakens their hand of trying to point to the civil case being the issue. It also is much more difficult to void a signing bonus, he signed and played for the team and didn't breach the normal points that would lead to signing bonus becoming void.
    I'd imagine they are covered by giving themselves time to investigate. They could have suspended him with pay but I've never come across that happening.


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    #3769
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,101 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    eagle eye wrote: »
    I'd imagine they are covered by giving themselves time to investigate. They could have suspended him with pay but I've never come across that happening.

    They could have just made him inactive for the game and give no reason. Players are inactive every week, you don't have to suspend them with pay.

    It looks like they were planning on plowing through the public/media noise until the texts came out this week and they realised AB was going to continue to act like an idiot and be a distraction. Even if there is a clause in the contract, they've made it tougher on themselves to say 'the civil suit was the cause' when there is no sign of that being an issue until this week.


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    #3770
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,657 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I saw on the fox NFL pre game show that the NFL is investigating text messages sent to the mother of the first accuser of Antionio brown. They don't say if it's from him but why would they be investigating some randommer sending text message to someone's mother ?


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    #3771
    j8wk2feszrnpao
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote: »
    Who exactly is getting on their moral high horse?
    Don’t bother. Really, don’t bother.


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    #3772
    Loughc
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Next stop XFL?

    He hate me 2.


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    #3773
    TRS30
    Registered Users Posts: 6,865 ✭✭✭TRS30


    What the best/cheapest sites to buy proper (not Chinese knock offs/poor quality) hoodies, hats etc (not necessarily shirts) for delivery to Ireland?


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    #3774
    jack presley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    TRS30 wrote: »
    What the best/cheapest sites to buy proper (not Chinese knock offs/poor quality) hoodies, hats etc (not necessarily shirts) for delivery to Ireland?

    Fanatics is a good site. There is a much better range on their US site but you’ll get charged 23% duty as well as postage. They have an international site that you won’t get stung with duty but the range isn’t as good. But check that out first as they might have what you’re looking for.


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    #3775
    TRS30
    Registered Users Posts: 6,865 ✭✭✭TRS30


    jack presley wrote: »
    Fanatics is a good site. There is a much better range on their US site but you’ll get charged 23% duty as well as postage. They have an international site that you won’t get stung with duty but the range isn’t as good. But check that out first as they might have what you’re looking for.

    Thanks. do you find this cheaper then the NFL Europe site?


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    #3776
    jack presley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    TRS30 wrote: »
    Thanks. do you find this cheaper then the NFL Europe site?

    Never bought from the NFL site so can’t say.


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    #3777
    TRS30
    Registered Users Posts: 6,865 ✭✭✭TRS30


    jack presley wrote: »
    Fanatics is a good site. There is a much better range on their US site but you’ll get charged 23% duty as well as postage. They have an international site that you won’t get stung with duty but the range isn’t as good. But check that out first as they might have what you’re looking for.

    Yea not a great range of Eagles stuff however picked up a Phillies t-shirt for €12 so happy days. Thanks.


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    #3778
    Adamcp898
    Registered Users Posts: 5,469 ✭✭✭Adamcp898


    On that subject, does anybody know which of the "alternative" suppliers currently offer the best quality NFL gear? Used to know a couple but it's been a few years since I used them and they could be terrible now


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    #3779
    Ivefoundgod
    Registered Users Posts: 2,433 ✭✭✭Ivefoundgod


    Adamcp898 wrote: »
    On that subject, does anybody know which of the "alternative" suppliers currently offer the best quality NFL gear? Used to know a couple but it's been a few years since I used them and they could be terrible now

    I bought a Ravens jersey off DHGate. Based on reddit it seems the general consensus is to pick a seller with lots of orders and a high rating. You can usually find images in the reviews from other buyers if you want to check the quality.

    My jersey is pretty good, I have an official reebok jersey which seems higher quality materials used and NFL logo looks a little off from some angles but you'd be hard pressed to notice it. Given the price difference its a no brainer to me. I can dig out the seller I used if you like but I know it took some digging to find a guy who had Ravens gear. Loads of sellers of the popular teams.


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    #3780
    TRS30
    Registered Users Posts: 6,865 ✭✭✭TRS30


    Ivefoundgod wrote: »
    I bought a Ravens jersey off DHGate. Based on reddit it seems the general consensus is to pick a seller with lots of orders and a high rating. You can usually find images in the reviews from other buyers if you want to check the quality.

    My jersey is pretty good, I have an official reebok jersey which seems higher quality materials used and NFL logo looks a little off from some angles but you'd be hard pressed to notice it. Given the price difference its a no brainer to me. I can dig out the seller I used if you like but I know it took some digging to find a guy who had Ravens gear. Loads of sellers of the popular teams.

    Just ordered a hoodie off them. Was very cheap $30 so no big loss even if quality is crap!


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    #3781
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    Looks like they're gonna party like it's 1999 at the Super Bowl...

    http://www.msn.com/en-ie/entertainment/music/jennifer-lopez-shakira-will-be-the-2020-super-bowl-halftime-performers/ar-AAHUMVp?ocid=ientp


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