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Home charge points (purchase/problems/questions) (See mod note post#1)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,168 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Dempsey wrote: »
    I have revolut but I dont have 750 lying around at the moment:pac:

    Ehhh. You can top up revolut from your credit card.


    Don't tell your missus I told you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭eddhorse


    Got my Zappi2 installed this morning by Darkin.

    Nice and tidy and really nice guys.

    Didnt realise i need the Myenergi Hub to get the app working so may go order that now.
    EDIT : £36 shipping for the hub to Ireland, arseholery. Used Parcel Motel instead. £4


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,936 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    eddhorse wrote: »
    Got my Zappi2 installed this morning by Darkin.

    Nice and tidy and really nice guys.

    They have been recommended before. If you don't mind me asking, how much was the total install and did they split it out in materials and labour?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    listermint wrote: »
    Ehhh. You can top up revolut from your credit card.


    Don't tell your missus I told you.

    Thought that method would incur additional fees from the credit card provider, i.e. BOI?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,168 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Dempsey wrote: »
    Thought that method would incur additional fees from the credit card provider, i.e. BOI?

    What fees ? It's not cash advance. It's a purchase.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭eddhorse


    unkel wrote: »
    They have been recommended before. If you don't mind me asking, how much was the total install and did they split it out in materials and labour?

    Zappi €750, Labour €200, Material/Certification and Commissioning €240


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    listermint wrote: »
    What fees ? It's not cash advance. It's a purchase.

    Its not a purchase, its a transfer from a card to another. Have you done this before?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,168 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Dempsey wrote: »
    Its not a purchase, its a transfer from a card to another. Have you done this before?

    Yes all the time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24 earl28


    Hi

    I am currently looking to get a chargepoint installed at home. My issue is that, if it is fitted to the wall of my house then when charging the car, the cable will need to cross a public pathway as I do not have my own driveway (it is not a busy pathway, its within a housing estate).

    The two options I have are:
    1) Have the charger fitted to the wall and use either a heavy mat or some kind of cable cover to cover the cable as it crosses the pathway when I am charging the car, distance would be approx 2 metres

    2) Have a pedestal installed directly beside my parking space with the cabling back to the house installed underground

    I asked two companies for quotes for option 2, one of them said they could do it but it would cost 2k plus vat (with zappi charger). But the other company advised that they cannot do it as it is against regulations, think it was in case of a fire at the pedestal, the fire brigade would require access to the house which they would not have or something along those lines.

    Just wondering has anyone in this situation had chargepoints installed and what method would they recommend?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭eddhorse


    Is there some sort of management company governing the parking spaces?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,936 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    2) is the only option, as the other one has public liability implications

    Several people in this forum have done it, including this forum's moderator liamog


  • Registered Users Posts: 24 earl28


    Yes there is a management company governing the estate and the parking space is assigned to my house.

    I do have a neighbour in a similar house who got the pedestal installed 2 years ago, she got approval from the management company and hasn't had any issues since regarding breaking rules/regulations or anything like that. So I don't think I will have any issues with the management company. But the electrician who told me it against regulations also said that they previously did do these type of installations but regulations were then changed in the last year or so.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24 earl28


    unkel wrote: »
    2) is the only option, as the other one has public liability implications

    Several people in this forum have done it, including this forum's moderator liamog

    Cool thanks, presume it should be fine due to the fact that a neighbour has had it done with no issues, just wouldn't like to have it installed only to be told I had to have it removed afterwards!

    Do you think the quote of 2k plus VAT for this type of install with the Zappi is competitive?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,168 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    earl28 wrote: »
    Yes there is a management company governing the estate and the parking space is assigned to my house.

    I do have a neighbour in a similar house who got the pedestal installed 2 years ago, she got approval from the management company and hasn't had any issues since regarding breaking rules/regulations or anything like that. So I don't think I will have any issues with the management company. But the electrician who told me it against regulations also said that they previously did do these type of installations but regulations were then changed in the last year or so.


    Erm.... knock into the neighbour and get whomever installed theirs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24 earl28


    listermint wrote: »
    Erm.... knock into the neighbour and get whomever installed theirs.

    Yes already got on to them, was just put off when the second guy said that he couldn't actually do it as I would be breaking regulations


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭eddhorse


    I would always ask the management company first before install.
    Least you have another person that has done it to follow.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,086 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    I've sent a PM with details. One of the more experienced (and expensive) installers has a lot of experience installing chargers in shared spaces. I can't really see there being a big issue. I suspect the person who told you about fire issues isn't 100% correct.


  • Registered Users Posts: 399 ✭✭Petetheroadie


    eddhorse wrote: »
    unkel wrote: »
    They have been recommended before. If you don't mind me asking, how much was the total install and did they split it out in materials and labour?

    Zappi €750, Labour €200, Material/Certification and Commissioning €240

    Was that Zappi V2? Tethered or untethered?

    Thanks

    Pete


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭eddhorse


    Was that Zappi V2? Tethered or untethered?

    Thanks

    Pete

    Zappi V2 Tethered with a longer cable so I can park frontways or reverse into the driveway.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 399 ✭✭Petetheroadie


    That's a good quote. Time to go back to the company installing mine to see if they'll match that


  • Registered Users Posts: 260 ✭✭handofdog


    eddhorse wrote: »
    Was that Zappi V2? Tethered or untethered?

    Thanks

    Pete

    Zappi V2 Tethered with a longer cable so I can park frontways or reverse into the driveway.

    Good price is right.

    Do you mind me asking if that included vat?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,168 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    handofdog wrote: »
    Good price is right.

    Do you mind me asking if that included vat?

    No idea what anyone's surprised at these prices. It's a glorified outdoor plug with a new rcb on the board.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭eddhorse


    listermint wrote: »
    No idea what anyone's surprised at these prices. It's a glorified outdoor plug with a new rcb on the board.
    If you get €600 back from SEAI then its favourable for someone who knows nothing and is not qualified to install electrical equipment.

    To answer the other question there was also VAT of €160


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,362 ✭✭✭rolion


    I've sent at least 2-3 emails to some of the providers of chargers listed here,on this topic and i received no replies at all.
    Just asked for the unit itself...

    Confirming that the major profit (aka rip off) is in the installation and not by selling / passing the unit from manufacturer to end user.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭eddhorse


    rolion wrote: »
    I've sent at least 2-3 emails to some of the providers of chargers listed here,on this topic and i received no replies at all.
    Just asked for the unit itself...

    Confirming that the major profit (aka rip off) is in the installation and not by selling / passing the unit from manufacturer to end user.

    Well if you are a registered installer/electrician then thats fine.
    I dont get the shock at these prices. It's a relatively new thing to get EV chargers at your house and you have to pay for people to do this.
    Get on with it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,168 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    eddhorse wrote: »
    Well if you are a registered installer/electrician then thats fine.
    I dont get the shock at these prices. It's a relatively new thing to get EV chargers at your house and you have to pay for people to do this.
    Get on with it.

    Sorry what ? It's a relatively new thing to put an rcb on a fuse board and run a cable to external part of the house?

    This is the nonsense that's driving the prices . And make no mistake it is nonsense. This isn't reinventing the laws of electrical work. Any reci can do this work anyone. It's akin to getting a socket for your lawnmower installed. If you want to be fun about it get quotes for that and tell them you done with 32a rated cable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭eddhorse


    listermint wrote: »
    Sorry what ? It's a relatively new thing to put an rcb on a fuse board and run a cable to external part of the house?

    This is the nonsense that's driving the prices . And make no mistake it is nonsense. This isn't reinventing the laws of electrical work. Any reci can do this work anyone. It's akin to getting a socket for your lawnmower installed. If you want to be fun about it get quotes for that and tell them you done with 32a rated cable.

    Where were you last week ;)
    I agree the education on all this is lacking.
    A sticky thread for all the obvious stuff to some is needed.
    Good reply though thanks for the info.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,528 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    just bought rolec 32a off amazon uk for 493euro, type 2, 5m tethered.

    ill need a prioriy switch though, as we'e keeping one of the leccy showers as a backup.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭niallo32


    I bought a BMW Pro Wallbox and had it put on my gable wall - the tethered cable is too short. Does anyone have similar and bought an adapter/extender or is cutting the existing cable and getting an electrician to connect the new longer cable the best option?


  • Registered Users Posts: 260 ✭✭handofdog


    For anyone who is considering the Zappi 2 untethered.

    It has a nice option which allows you to lock the cable in place (PIN code required to release it).

    This makes it more secure than other untethered options.

    Darkin installed mine and I'm very happy with a nice clean fitting.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 220 ✭✭turnfan


    handofdog wrote: »
    For anyone who is considering the Zappi 2 untethered.

    It has a nice option which allows you to lock the cable in place (PIN code required to release it).

    This makes it more secure than other untethered options.

    Darkin installed mine and I'm very happy with a nice clean fitting.

    How long were you waiting to get the Zappi from Darkin? They are like hens teeth!
    I'm waiting on a 2.0 tethered, hopefully I'll get it before the grant expires!


  • Registered Users Posts: 260 ✭✭handofdog


    turnfan wrote: »
    handofdog wrote: »
    For anyone who is considering the Zappi 2 untethered.

    It has a nice option which allows you to lock the cable in place (PIN code required to release it).

    This makes it more secure than other untethered options.

    Darkin installed mine and I'm very happy with a nice clean fitting.

    How long were you waiting to get the Zappi from Darkin? They are like hens teeth!
    I'm waiting on a 2.0 tethered, hopefully I'll get it before the grant expires!

    I got the charger from. Electric Autos - there was a post on Facebook about a week ago that he had one spare.

    Darkin were happy to deal with Electric Autos - no problem.

    I think all installers are experiencing long lead times for Zappi 2!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,542 ✭✭✭eoferrall


    how do you know if you have the original Zappi or zappi 2.0? mine was installed in May, likely to be original?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,027 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    eoferrall wrote: »
    how do you know if you have the original Zappi or zappi 2.0? mine was installed in May, likely to be original?

    Google the image.
    They look different. And there’s options for tethered and non tethered.
    If yours is may, it’s 99.99% the first gen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭eddhorse


    Myenergi Zappi V2
    zappi-tethered-both.jpg

    Myenergi Zappi V1
    zappi.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,936 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    If it is untethered, then it is the new model, the original only came tethered.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,542 ✭✭✭eoferrall


    Thanks all, it is the original. noted the images, but the mienergi site isn't that clear on which is which etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 992 ✭✭✭bf


    Anyone have experience with Pinergy for their EV package? https://pinergy.ie/drive

    Can't see any prices on their website


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    They hint at things but actually say next to nothing on that site. Doesn't inspire confidence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,248 ✭✭✭digiman


    Buying a Model 3 Performance, hopefully arrive in Oct or Nov. What is the best charger for me to get. Don’t mind paying a bit more if one is much better than another one.

    Also, would like something that will work on cars other than a Tesla Incase I’ve visitors who have an EV or we get a 2nd non Tesla EV on the future. I generally only keep a car for 2 years also and next car may not be a Tesla depending on what’s available at the time.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,152 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    digiman wrote: »
    Buying a Model 3 Performance, hopefully arrive in Oct or Nov. What is the best charger for me to get. Don’t mind paying a bit more if one is much better than another one.

    Also, would like something that will work on cars other than a Tesla Incase I’ve visitors who have an EV or we get a 2nd non Tesla EV on the future. I generally only keep a car for 2 years also and next car may not be a Tesla depending on what’s available at the time.

    All new EV’s have to have a type 2 plug so you just need a type 2 tethered charge point or an untethered charge point where you use the cable that came with the car.

    Go with type 2 tethered. It will cover most cars bar the pre-18 Leaf and make sure it’s a 32A charge point.


    Besides that the only other consideration is if you want things like apps, Solar integration, load sensing for 2 cars etc. Depends on what you want.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,582 ✭✭✭Heroditas


    JohnC. wrote: »
    They hint at things but actually say next to nothing on that site. Doesn't inspire confidence.

    Pinergy use an installer who uses EO chargers.

    Edit: they're installed by KN Electrical Services in Tallaght and the costs are on the KN website.

    www.electricvehiclecharger.ie


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,248 ✭✭✭digiman


    KCross wrote: »
    digiman wrote: »
    Buying a Model 3 Performance, hopefully arrive in Oct or Nov. What is the best charger for me to get. Don’t mind paying a bit more if one is much better than another one.

    Also, would like something that will work on cars other than a Tesla Incase I’ve visitors who have an EV or we get a 2nd non Tesla EV on the future. I generally only keep a car for 2 years also and next car may not be a Tesla depending on what’s available at the time.

    All new EV’s have to have a type 2 plug so you just need a type 2 tethered charge point or an untethered charge point where you use the cable that came with the car.

    Go with type 2 tethered. It will cover most cars bar the pre-18 Leaf and make sure it’s a 32A charge point.


    Besides that the only other consideration is if you want things like apps, Solar integration, load sensing for 2 cars etc. Depends on what you want.

    I do have PV panels but don’t really know what benefit they are bringing me. I’ve no stats from them in terms of how much power is generated and out of that how much we consume and how much we send back to the grid. Would like to see stats on that as well and would consider spending a few quid to make things more efficient there also


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,152 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    digiman wrote: »
    I do have PV panels but don’t really know what benefit they are bringing me. I’ve no stats from them in terms of how much power is generated and out of that how much we consume and how much we send back to the grid. Would like to see stats on that as well and would consider spending a few quid to make things more efficient there also

    The Zappi in post 881 above will give you Solar integration and load sensing.

    How useful the Solar integration is down to how many panels you have and whether the car is at home during the day or not to soak up the excess Solar.

    At least its there as an option to use it. If you dont use it its no skin off your nose, the charge point will still work as a normal charge point.


    There are a few other charge points that have apps and load sensing but I dont think they have Solar integration.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,152 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    bf wrote: »
    Anyone have experience with Pinergy for their EV package? https://pinergy.ie/drive

    Can't see any prices on their website

    Their prices are very expensive. Well hidden on their website for a reason! ;)
    https://pinergy.ie/customer-info/tariffs


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,027 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    digiman wrote: »
    I do have PV panels but don’t really know what benefit they are bringing me. I’ve no stats from them in terms of how much power is generated and out of that how much we consume and how much we send back to the grid. Would like to see stats on that as well and would consider spending a few quid to make things more efficient there also

    Who installed the PV system?
    What size is the PV system?

    Was it installed as part of a new build that you bought?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    digiman wrote: »
    I do have PV panels but don’t really know what benefit they are bringing me. I’ve no stats from them in terms of how much power is generated and out of that how much we consume and how much we send back to the grid. Would like to see stats on that as well and would consider spending a few quid to make things more efficient there also

    It's very unlikely the solar will be of any use for charging your car, unless the installation is very big and the car is home during daylight hours. Charging on night rate electricity is likely to be much less painful and a lot more certain.

    If I was buying again, I'd get a Garo charger with load balancing. That way adding a second EV should be painless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭eddhorse


    Got the myenergi hub today, it would definitely
    Be complicated for a non technical person.
    Why doesnt the ZappiV2 come with this and the installer configure it all?

    EDIT had to change the channel on the Zappi to get it to pair correctly.
    Regarding the app, there isnt a simple username password login, you put in the device and registration code, will be interesting to see what happens on another phone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,248 ✭✭✭digiman


    kceire wrote: »
    digiman wrote: »
    I do have PV panels but don’t really know what benefit they are bringing me. I’ve no stats from them in terms of how much power is generated and out of that how much we consume and how much we send back to the grid. Would like to see stats on that as well and would consider spending a few quid to make things more efficient there also

    Who installed the PV system?
    What size is the PV system?

    Was it installed as part of a new build that you bought?

    There are 6 panels, it was part of a new build yes so I’m not sure who installed and not sure on the output of it either. It was done about 4 years ago.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,027 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    digiman wrote: »
    There are 6 panels, it was part of a new build yes so I’m not sure who installed and not sure on the output of it either. It was done about 4 years ago.

    Ok so that answers most of my questions.
    6 panels on a new build from 4 years ago will be a compliance installation.
    Possibly only about 1kw system. Not enough to charge your car or make a real dent into your household useage but every little helps.

    I would have thought there was an app available to monitor generation so first thing to do is get into the attic and see what the invertor is. See what brand and if there’s any company installation stickers.


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