Formula 1 2019 - General Discussion Thread

Cork Trucker · 24-09-2019 02:23PM

vectra wrote: »

Alfa lose German gp appeal.
https://formulaspy.com/f1/alfa-lose-appeal-over-german-grand-prix-disqualification-64737

Kubica keeps the point for 10th then. Had they been reinstated then Williams were on course for their first ever pointless season weren’t they?

pjohnson · 25-09-2019 10:32AM

Apparently Haas ran Grosjean back in a hybrid version of his Aus spec in Singapore (same floor and wings as Australia but newer sidepods) while Magnussen ran the consistently "updated since Australia" spec. They stopped this split spec before Singapore but retried it last weekend.

They now plan on getting Magnussen into this hybrid Aus spec.

uchimata83 · 25-09-2019 02:11PM

Robbo wrote: »

Hill did an F1: Beyond the Grid podcast a few months ago that's well worth a listen. He goes into detail about the contractual situations he wound up in with Williams and Jordan.

I had a listen back to this, Hill said that Jordan was tough to deal with and wanted him gone before Silverstone and for a finnish driver - perhaps Mika Salo, although I'm not sure.

One depressing thought which makes me seriously feel my age, the Jordan team are now gone from the sport longer than they were in it.

Cork Trucker · 25-09-2019 02:27PM

uchimata83 wrote: »

I had a listen back to this, Hill said that Jordan was tough to deal with and wanted him gone before Silverstone and for a finnish driver - perhaps Mika Salo, although I'm not sure.

One depressing thought which makes me seriously feel my age, the Jordan team are now gone from the sport longer than they were in it.

I’d say Salo as it was before Schumacher broke his leg. Badoer would’ve been recalled from minardi in that case. Sarrazin would have gotten another crack at F1

supremenovice · 25-09-2019 09:53PM

Cork Trucker wrote: »

I'll have to have a look at that book, Hill wasn't the worst of drivers, and i certainly feel he was hard done by with Williams in 1996 when they didn't renew the contract, i don't think he'd have successfully defended the title against Villeneuve but would have done better than Frenzten for 97, even when you look at it in the few short years how Hill & Frenzten's fortunes changed between 96-99. I can see where Damon was coming from with regards his own father and how anyone couldn't understand that is beyond me. Jordan was never the kind to just cut a contract on mutual terms, even when he sacked Frenzten, HH still got money out of EJ. I did a bit of reading up on the plane crash with Graham Hill, he had no licence, therefore no insurance or something and the relatives of those who died sued his estate, hence being penniless i think. Whatever occurred across the winter of 98/99, Hill was not the same driver. Is there any mention of his time with Arrows? Hungary 1997 is the stand out moment of course.

Heinz-Harald Frentzen was psychologically mauled by Patrick Head and Jacques Villeneuve when he joined Williams in 1997. Head was annoyed that Hill was dropped by Frank Williams in 1996 and Villeneuve was a master at psyching out his fragile team-mates (just ask Ricardo Zonta). Frentzen didnt stick up for himself and didnt even have full say over car set-up. He showed occasional signs of brilliance in Imola (his only win), Monaco qualifying, Budapest and Suzuka and in 1998 was a lot more competitive against Villeneuve. Eddie Jordan rejuvenated Frentzen at Jordan in 1999 and thrived with his arm-around-the-shoulder management style. Frentzen won brilliantly at Monza and Magny Cours and was in the title fight until he DNFd at the Nurburgring while leading, and Hakkinen went on to win the title in Suzuka. He pommeled his team mate Hill who was struggling to regain his 1996 form. Frentzen had a solid year in 2000 with his team mate Jarno Trulli but things went sideways in 2001 and form dipped and was sacked by Jordan after the British Grand Prix.
Frentzen was a confidence driver, not unlike Sebastian Vettel really - if a hardy teammate puts it up to him, he wilts.

uchimata83 · 25-09-2019 10:24PM

supremenovice wrote: »

Villeneuve was a master at psyching out his fragile team-mates (just ask Ricardo Zonta.)

Not too sure about this. Villeneuve was schooled by any half decent team mate that put it up to him. The BAR team was his and Craig Pollock's fantasy project, no driver coming in there had a chance, especially not someone as green as Zonta was at the time. Post Canada 97 Panis was not the same driver. Sato was, well Sato - immensely brave but stupid too. Massa got the better of him and Heidfeld did too.
Jacques first and greatest love was himself

Cork Trucker · 26-09-2019 09:10AM

On this day 20 years ago Johnny Herbert took his 3rd and Stewart's only victory. It should definitely feature on the Sky F1 classic races.

https://twitter.com/1990sF1/status/1176995067699109888

Jordan 199 · 26-09-2019 09:29AM

^ A race that brings painful memories for me.

Cork Trucker · 26-09-2019 09:30AM

Jordan 199 wrote: »

^ A race that brings painful memories for me.

Well the qualifying was euphoria if anything, the race itself was the end of the championship quest for Frentzen, also his last pole position.

Joeface · 26-09-2019 02:19PM

Not sure this is even remotely interesting but here is the current Race ratings by boards race thread post counts

Position Race Post Count
1 Germany 523
2 Canada 324
3 Austria 304
4 Italy 304
5 Monaco 272
6 Beligum 269
7 Bahrain 264
8 Baku 253
9 Australia 250
10 Silverstone 242
11 Singapore 158
12 Hungry 139
13 Spain 102
14 China 101
15 France 64

the_pen_turner · 26-09-2019 02:30PM

Joeface wrote: »

Not sure this is even remotely interesting but here is the current Race ratings by boards race thread post counts

Position Race Post Count
1 Germany 523
2 Canada 324
3 Austria 304
4 Italy 304
5 Monaco 272
6 Beligum 269
7 Bahrain 264
8 Baku 253
9 Australia 250
10 Silverstone 242
11 Singapore 158
12 Hungry 139
13 Spain 102
14 China 101
15 France 64

thats interesting but ultimetly pointless.
you could post on post saying how amazing a race was or 10 posts about how something trivial that happened

Inviere · 26-09-2019 03:54PM

the_pen_turner wrote: »

thats interesting but ultimetly pointless.
you could post on post saying how amazing a race was or 10 posts about how something trivial that happened

It should show a general trend of how people react to races, very very general mind. I've often seen very clearly exciting races being voted 1 or 2 outta 10, obviously for the lulz.

Cork Trucker · 26-09-2019 04:15PM

Paul Ricard needs to go, no if's no but's it's a crap track, Magny Cours was even better than it.

El_Duderino 09 · 26-09-2019 06:07PM

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Paul Ricard needs to go, no if's no but's it's a crap track, Magny Cours was even better than it.

Completely agree. It’s a poor race, the lines around the track look stupid. The camera angles are way too far back. It’s like a football stadium with a running track around the pitch.

But that’s not how tracks are chosen. Given the Renault involvement, I’m surprised there hasn’t been a French GP sooner.

As long as they pay the fees the race will stay on the calendar. The German GP is in real danger of dropping off because it can’t pay the fee so that’s the deciding factor.

AMKC · 26-09-2019 08:29PM

Joeface wrote: »

Not sure this is even remotely interesting but here is the current Race ratings by boards race thread post counts

Position Race Post Count
1 Germany 523
2 Canada 324
3 Austria 304
4 Italy 304
5 Monaco 272
6 Beligum 269
7 Bahrain 264
8 Baku 253
9 Australia 250
10 Silverstone 242
11 Singapore 158
12 Hungry 139
13 Spain 102
14 China 101
15 France 64

I am surprised that Silverstone is quite low as that is the only live race on Channel 4 now you would think it would have the most posts but maybe we are looking at it the wrong way. Maybe the races with the least posts were the ones that were watched more and the ones with the most posts were boring and everyone was on here posting. However by that logic that would mean with France having the least amount of posts was the best race so far this year and Germany the worst race which is not right.

patmahe · 27-09-2019 12:08PM

This is pure speculation on my part, but after Singapore I have a sneaking suspicion that Mercedes reckon they have this years championship in the bag and have switched focus to next years car hence the drop off in pace.

Hamiltion is almost 100 points clear of the next non-Mercedes driver so hard to blame them with 6 races to go. Constructors looks pretty secure too. Could make for an interesting end to the season.

Cork Trucker · 27-09-2019 12:59PM

patmahe wrote: »

This is pure speculation on my part, but after Singapore I have a sneaking suspicion that Mercedes reckon they have this years championship in the bag and have switched focus to next years car hence the drop off in pace.

Hamiltion is almost 100 points clear of the next non-Mercedes driver so hard to blame them with 6 races to go. Constructors looks pretty secure too. Could make for an interesting end to the season.

Ferrari did similar in 1999 after Schumacher broke his leg, they switched focus to the 2000 car, you might well be right on that, Bottas won't be allowed challenge and a near calamity is needed for Hamilton to lose it now.

Jordan 199 · 27-09-2019 02:23PM

I just saw Ralf Schumacher in the Toro Rosso garage in Sochi. Didn't see him on television for a while.

El_Duderino 09 · 27-09-2019 02:29PM

Jordan 199 wrote: »

I just saw Ralf Schumacher in the Toro Rosso garage in Sochi. Didn't see him on television for a while.

His nipper David has a driver in F3 this weekend. He’s standing in for the bloke who got injured flying through the air in monza a couple of weeks ago

Inquitus · 27-09-2019 03:19PM

Joeface wrote: »

Not sure this is even remotely interesting but here is the current Race ratings by boards race thread post counts

Position Race Post Count
1 Germany 523
2 Canada 324
3 Austria 304
4 Italy 304
5 Monaco 272
6 Beligum 269
7 Bahrain 264
8 Baku 253
9 Australia 250
10 Silverstone 242
11 Singapore 158
12 Hungry 139
13 Spain 102
14 China 101
15 France 64

Divide the Total by the number of vote to give a meaningful stat.

skipper_G · 27-09-2019 05:08PM

Juicy rumour tine, Mclaren switching to Mercedes engines???

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-mercedes-engine-deal-2021/4548906/

El_Duderino 09 · 27-09-2019 05:34PM

skipper_G wrote: »

Juicy rumour tine, Mclaren switching to Mercedes engines???

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-mercedes-engine-deal-2021/4548906/

That would be great. The Mercedes engine doesn’t have the same advantage it had when Mercedes moves away from them in favour of Honda. But it would be a big step up in terms of reliability and presumably, the ability to run the engine at higher power more often.

Really hope it happens.

mickdw · 27-09-2019 05:42PM

A customer engine doesn't suggest that they are looking to beat mercedes any time soon.
Ron Dennis had the right idea but poorly timed. Red bull are now sitting pretty having their own engine supply.

pjohnson · 27-09-2019 06:03PM

Williams to switch to Renault then?

skipper_G · 27-09-2019 06:04PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Williams to switch to Renault then?

Not likely given they've just recently signed a new contract with Merc as have Racing Point

pjohnson · 27-09-2019 06:06PM

skipper_G wrote: »

Not likely given they've just recently signed a new contract with Merc as have Racing Point

Forgot that. Seems much to be suppllying 4 teams.

Cork Trucker · 27-09-2019 06:07PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Forgot that. Seems much to be suppllying 4 teams.

Mercedes need special dispensation from the FIA to supply more than 3 teams, looks like Renault will only have themselves to supply unless someone new comes along.

Dont be at yourself · 27-09-2019 06:10PM

Could see Renault leaving F1 if they don't get a customer team for their engines.

Cork Trucker · 27-09-2019 06:36PM

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

Could see Renault leaving F1 if they don't get a customer team for their engines.

Ferrari have themselves,Haas and Alfa Romeo sorted.
Honda are unlikely to break away from Red Bull and Toro Rosso
Mercedes have themselves, Williams,Racing Point already under contract with McLaren linked for 2021
Renault just their own team, i don't see any of the above changing.

If Renault leave will each team provide a third car or will it be only 9 teams?

uchimata83 · 27-09-2019 07:11PM

McLaren must be kicking themselves, went through the years of pain with Honda, only to see the engine come good as soon as they got rid of it. What Zak Brown didn't realise, is that McLaren needed Honda, a lot more than Honda needed McLaren

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