Formula 1 2019 - General Discussion Thread

skipper_G

chicorytip wrote: »

Albon was six tenths adrift of Verstappen. That's not particularly bad considering Bottas was similarly adrift of Hamilton but Gasly was sacked because he could not bridge that gap in performance to Max. Albon, to date, has not really brought about any real improvement.

Gasly was demoted because he wasn't able to close the gap to Verstappen after 12 races. Albon has had 2, what the gap will be after a similar number of races is unknown

Cork Trucker

Ricciardo disqualified from qualifying

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/11813904/daniel-ricciardo-thrown-out-of-singapore-gp-qualifying-results

Ricciardo's Renault car was found to have contravened the regulation governing how much power can be emitted by the MGU-K element of the engine. The RS19 was found to have exceeded 120kW during Q1.

El_Duderino 09

skipper_G wrote: »

Gasly was demoted because he wasn't able to close the gap to Verstappen after 12 races. Albon has had 2, what the gap will be after a similar number of races is unknown

That’s the point. Gasley has more than half a season in the red bull. So it’s not right to compare him after 12 races with Albon after 2 races. We’ll just have to wait until the end of the season and try to compare them with a decent number of races in the red bull

shamrock55

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Ricciardo disqualified from qualifying

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/11813904/daniel-ricciardo-thrown-out-of-singapore-gp-qualifying-results

That's a complete joke tbh, no gain whatsoever was made from it, f1 needs to cop itself on abit

skipper_G

shamrock55 wrote: »

That's a complete joke tbh, no gain whatsoever was made from it, f1 needs to cop itself on abit

They must have zero tolerance for flouting of technical regulations. Without fear of proper penalties, the teams will look to push the boundaries beyond what's allowed. They will break every regulation they think they'll get away with.

Example: Benetton in 94 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Formula_One_cheating_controversy

El_Duderino 09

shamrock55 wrote: »

That's a complete joke tbh, no gain whatsoever was made from it, f1 needs to cop itself on abit

Yeah but if them’s the rules then they should implement them. Isn’t that what fans are always on about, Consistency?

shamrock55

skipper_G wrote: »

They must have zero tolerance for flouting of technical regulations. Without fear of proper penalties, the teams will look to push the boundaries beyond what's allowed. They will break every regulation they think they'll get away with.

Example: Benetton in 94 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Formula_One_cheating_controversy

No comparison with benton tbf, it was one micro second that was caused by a surge in power from a curb hit and caused the car to over rev,
it wasn't even intentional and gave no benefit whatsoever, plus it was recorded as his slowest lap of q 1.

El_Duderino 09

shamrock55 wrote: »

No comparison with benton tbf, it was one micro second that was caused by a surge in power from a curb hit and caused the car to over rev,
it wasn't even intentional and gave no benefit whatsoever, plus it was recorded as his slowest lap of q 1.

Yeah and if they said it’s ok, then every team would be careful to make sure they have similar glitches any time the need it.

Just implement the rules and the teams will make sure these glitches don’t occur. It hasn’t been a problem before and this penalty will make sure it stays that way. Implement the rules consistently.

skipper_G

shamrock55 wrote: »

No comparison with benton tbf, it was one micro second that was caused by a surge in power from a curb hit and caused the car to over rev,
it wasn't even intentional and gave no benefit whatsoever, plus it was recorded as his slowest lap of q 1.

If they let this one away what about the next one? And the one after that? If the technical regulations have any leeway at all teams will abuse it. That's not an opinion, it's the reality. Separate sporting and technical regulations, they are different. Technical regs are specific and measurable, apply a zero tolerance policy and there's no debate about why a decision is made. Sporting regs are open to interpretation and they are typically a talking point at every weekend.

flazio

shamrock55 wrote: »

That's a complete joke tbh, no gain whatsoever was made from it, f1 needs to cop itself on abit

Now, be honest. Had that been Mercedes-Benz that had done that, would you be singing the same song?

pyramuid man

skipper_G wrote: »

Gasly was demoted because he wasn't able to close the gap to Verstappen after 12 races. Albon has had 2, what the gap will be after a similar number of races is unknown

Add to that, Gasly had a full pre season of preparation for the senior team whereas Albon has had 2 race weekends. Albon has already shown the willingness to take risks that Gasly just wasn't.

Albon is showing an ability to adapt which Gasly doesn't appear to have. The fact that he is already performing better at Toro Rossi than he did at Red Bull.

skipper_G

pyramuid man wrote: »

Add to that, Gasly had a full pre season of preparation for the senior team whereas Albon has had 2 race weekends. Albon has already shown the willingness to take risks that Gasly just wasn't.

Yeah he's been decisive in his overtakes, something Gasly missed

shamrock55

flazio wrote: »

Now, be honest. Had that been Mercedes-Benz that had done that, would you be singing the same song?

Not sure but didn't they have some problem with fuel at wrong temp yesterday and nothing happened, I just find it a bit unfair how riccardo was penalised so harshly for something that was out of his control and had no benefit to his qualification whatsoever, it was nothing that renault had done as you put it

BDI

Five place penalty for Perez he has to go all the way down to one place ahead of the other guy in the same car as him.

Cork Trucker

Apparently Daddy Stroll is going around telling people he has done a deal for Kubica to be Third/Reserve driver next season. It's no secret they wanted him this season also.

BDI

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Apparently Daddy Stroll is going around telling people he has done a deal for Kubica to be Third/Reserve driver next season. It's no secret they wanted him this season also.

Sad thing is it’s likely he could end up replacing stroll if given a drive.

Cork Trucker

BDI wrote: »

Sad thing is it’s likely he could end up replacing stroll if given a drive.

If Stroll keeps delivering poor results it might well happen, Kubica is known to have fantastic technical knowledge/feedback/setting up the car. Stroll's 4th place in Germany was mainly due to the weather and not his skill, he is a poor driver irrespective of his past results in lower formula, some will say look at both Azerbaijan when he finished 3rd or Monza wheere he qualified 4th, later 2nd, overall he isn't great, Daddy might well see something in Kubica and isn't showing his hand.

El_Duderino 09

Cork Trucker wrote: »

If Stroll keeps delivering poor results it might well happen, Kubica is known to have fantastic technical knowledge/feedback/setting up the car. Stroll's 4th place in Germany was mainly due to the weather and not his skill, he is a poor driver irrespective of his past results in lower formula, some will say look at both Azerbaijan when he finished 3rd or Monza wheere he qualified 4th, later 2nd, overall he isn't great, Daddy might well see something in Kubica and isn't showing his hand.

I’ve heard this a hundred times from fans but I’ve absolutely no idea how they claim to know it. I’m sure team bosses say it but sure they have to say nice things about the drivers.

If he was so world class at this, why haven’t other teams hired him as a specialist at that? They hire totty female reserve drivers that they never intend to use in a race, so why not Kubica?

I think his fantastic technical knowledge/feedback/setting up the car legend has grown along with everything else while he was out of the sport. Ive no idea whether it’s true or not. But his technical mastery grows with retelling and in the absence of any information that could possible disprove it to a fan sitting at home.

El_Duderino 09

BDI wrote: »

Sad thing is it’s likely he could end up replacing stroll if given a drive.

Lol. Stroll would wipe the floor with him. Stroll isn’t terrible. He’s just not very good. Kubica is terrible this season.

This is a classic example of Kubica getting away with being so slow because he’s well liked. Stroll is a rich kid who isn’t well liked.

skipper_G

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I’ve heard this a hundred times from fans but I’ve absolutely no idea how they claim to know it. I’m sure team bosses say it but sure they have to say nice things about the drivers.

If he was so world class at this, why haven’t other teams hired him as a specialist at that? They hire totty female reserve drivers that they never intend to use in a race, so why not Kubica?

I think his fantastic technical knowledge/feedback/setting up the car legend has grown along with everything else while he was out of the sport. Ive no idea whether it’s true or not. But his technical mastery grows with retelling and in the absence of any information that could possible disprove it to a fan sitting at home.

I've heard Kubica can turn engine oil into wine

BDI

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Lol. Stroll would wipe the floor with him. Stroll isn’t terrible. He’s just not very good. Kubica is terrible this season.

This is a classic example of Kubica getting away with being so slow because he’s well liked. Stroll is a rich kid who isn’t well liked.

The lad in the same car as him took a five place grid penalty this week and is still ahead of him on the podium.
Regularly a lot slower than his teammate.

El_Duderino 09

BDI wrote: »

The lad in the same car as him took a five place grid penalty this week and is still ahead of him on the podium.
Regularly a lot slower than his teammate.

So is Kubica slower than his rookie teammate. He’s not fast, he’s past his peak and got no potential to get faster and his dad didn’t but the team to make him world champion. He has absolutely no chance of getting stroll’s seat and even less chance of proving faster than Stroll.

BDI

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

So is Kubica slower than his rookie teammate. He’s not fast, he’s past his peak and got no potential to get faster and his dad didn’t but the team to make him world champion. He has absolutely no chance of getting stroll’s seat and even less chance of proving faster than Stroll.

I’m not saying Kubica is good, I’m saying it’s terrible he may prove better than stroll

Faugheen

BDI wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

So is Kubica slower than his rookie teammate. He’s not fast, he’s past his peak and got no potential to get faster and his dad didn’t but the team to make him world champion. He has absolutely no chance of getting stroll’s seat and even less chance of proving faster than Stroll.

I’m not saying Kubica is good, I’m saying it’s terrible he may prove better than stroll

He’s not better than Stroll. Not in any case.

People need to open their eyes with Kubica. It’s admirable what he’s doing but ultimately he’s just not fast.

In any case, Stroll will never be dropped from that team as long as Laurence is in charge.

shamrock55

Good win for séb, ferrari got statagi mixed up though it seems.
Glad hulk hung on for some points too

uchimata83

shamrock55 wrote: »

Good win for séb, ferrari got statagi mixed up though it seems.
Glad hulk hung on for some points too

I think that the smart thing to do is to risk it with the second of your cars and then see how it works out for the car ahead on the road. The championship is over, I suspect the team would prefer Charles to finish ahead, but were only concerned with the 1-2

AMKC

shamrock55 wrote: »

Good win for séb, ferrari got statagi mixed up though it seems.
Glad hulk hung on for some points too

Oh FFS. Some of us have not seen the race yet. You just ruined it for me for Fu,ck sake. Use Spoilers if you want to post in here about the race before the highlights have been shown. There is a separate thread for the race to talk about it and post what you posted here.

Darkglasses

AMKC wrote: »

Oh FFS. Some of us have not seen the race yet. You just ruined it for me for Fu,ck sake. Use Spoilers if you want to post in here about the race before the highlights have been shown. There is a separate thread for the race to talk about it and post what you posted here.

I wait to watch races in the evenings regularly, you'd be mad to look in this thread unless you knew the result :eek:

vectra

uchimata83 wrote: »

I think that the smart thing to do is to risk it with the second of your cars and then see how it works out for the car ahead on the road. The championship is over, I suspect the team would prefer Charles to finish ahead, but were only concerned with the 1-2

Never say never.
Resurgence in Ferrari might change things a bit.

This is it

AMKC wrote: »

Oh FFS. Some of us have not seen the race yet. You just ruined it for me for Fu,ck sake. Use Spoilers if you want to post in here about the race before the highlights have been shown. There is a separate thread for the race to talk about it and post what you posted here.

Don't look at F1 threads if you're avoiding results, pretty silly to be honest. Posters will still be in here talking about the points gained, team issues, etc. You've no one but yourself to blame