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The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*
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gormdubhgorm wrote: »Again you are deliberately using my username to take my post out of context of any real analysis.
You did post several charts and they did indeed show that Dublin's title count has drastically increased. I didn't comment on your "analysis" because it was a load of wordy garbage and it was irrelevant to the point I was making.gormdubhgorm wrote: »You have yet to provided actual evidence that more funding = success in the GAA.
I'd qualify that and say more funding = more success, not necessarily a guaranteed victory in every code and every level every single year. But the actual evidence you seek has been provided many times, you have just chosen to disregard it as you are a biased Dublin supporter with your head in the sand. You'd rather see the inter-county game ruined than the playing field leveled- not a true supporter of Gaelic games in other words.gormdubhgorm wrote: »Where exactly has this money contributed to the improvement of players?
Many ways- enhanced backroom teams, improved development of talented players, improved standard of Dublin club competitions and many many more ways.
You realise the argument you are making is that money has no impact on sporting results- it's absolutely absurd.gormdubhgorm wrote: »You seem to be under misguided impression that funding is the sole reason for Dublin footballs success.
Why do you keep repeating this lie? I've said numerous times that funding isn't the sole reason. Please stop lying so much.gormdubhgorm wrote: »Look at intercounty hurling, club football your argument falls apart - I won't repeat all those again
It actually enhanced my argument, that's probably why you won't repeat it.gormdubhgorm wrote: »You seem to still be of the misguided believe that more funding equates to success automatically. Therefore if is some form of 'doping'.
Not automatic i.e the money would have to be spent well. Dublin do seem to have done this in fairness. Although we're not talking peanuts here, we're talking tens of millions of euro.
"Financial doping" is a good term as it implies that the Dublin success is unfair, not attainable or replicable by any other county and gives them an unfair advantage on every other county. It also implies that they wouldn't have had this level of success without the money. All of this is completely true.gormdubhgorm wrote: »By the very fact you use the phrase 'financial doping' indicates a lack of knowledge by you on how the GAA works, and clearly indicates that you have a high level of begrudgery despite your faux protestations to the contrary.
I think I may understand a little bit more about the GAA, and sport in general, than people who think funding is irrelevant so sporting outcomes in the 21st century, that home pitch advantage doesn't matter and that having a playing pool 6 times the average doesn't confer any advantage.
Any of those things individually would be a huge benefit but taken together you have the perfect storm for endless Dublin dominance.
And seriously- you and all Dublin fans should realise how tiresome this victim act is. You've been favoured hugely by the organisation and still you whinge.0 -
You did post several charts and they did indeed show that Dublin's title count has drastically increased. I didn't comment on your "analysis" because it was a load of wordy garbage and it was irrelevant to the point I was making.
I'd qualify that and say more funding = more success, not necessarily a guaranteed victory in every code and every level every single year. But the actual evidence you seek has been provided many times, you have just chosen to disregard it as you are a biased Dublin supporter with your head in the sand. You'd rather see the inter-county game ruined than the playing field leveled- not a true supporter of Gaelic games in other words.
Many ways- enhanced backroom teams, improved development of talented players, improved standard of Dublin club competitions and many many more ways.
You realise the argument you are making is that money has no impact on sporting results- it's absolutely absurd.
Why do you keep repeating this lie? I've said numerous times that funding isn't the sole reason. Please stop lying so much.
It actually enhanced my argument, that's probably why you won't repeat it.
Not automatic i.e the money would have to be spent well. Dublin do seem to have done this in fairness. Although we're not talking peanuts here, we're talking tens of millions of euro.
"Financial doping" is a good term as it implies that the Dublin success is unfair, not attainable or replicable by any other county and gives them an unfair advantage on every other county. It also implies that they wouldn't have had this level of success without the money. All of this is completely true.
I think I may understand a little bit more about the GAA, and sport in general, than people who think funding is irrelevant so sporting outcomes in the 21st century, that home pitch advantage doesn't matter and that having a playing pool 6 times the average doesn't confer any advantage.
Any of those things individually would be a huge benefit but taken together you have the perfect storm for endless Dublin dominance.
And seriously- you and all Dublin fans should realise how tiresome this victim act is. You've been favoured hugely by the organisation and still you whinge.
Come on it is clear you are playing a game here I already clearly listed all the Dublin club fooball champions beaten by Longford, Wicklow, Roscommon and Galway county champions 2013 -2019.
I also listed how the intercounty hurlers for Dublin have dipped since 2013.
Yet you have somehow managed to twist this into supporting your arguments!
How is the intercounty game ruined?
Dublin have clearly raised the bar with a fantastic level of tactical astuteness and skill level
Look at this tactical analysis by non Dubs how Dublin managed to survive with 14 men in the drawn game.
You obviously must have been walking the dog during the first half of the second Dublin v Kerry final?
Have you ever seen a standard higher?
It is clear Dublin have improved the GAA and drove Kerry on to improve as well.
Contrary to your gaelic football is ruined hyperbole.
The phrase you use 'financial doping' was coined by a French soccer manager in a professional sport where players can be purchased.
It was then appropriated as a misguided form of insult for Dublin GAA from a shock jock journalistic who merely looks to be a WUM regardless of the subject.
Then the likes of yourself buy into this because you are willing to be brainwashed and unwilling to make any credible analysis.
You are his 'market'
Looking at your points about financial doping you say it implies that Dublin have an unfair advantage.
No it does not. It implies that it is nothing to do with Dublin's skill and tactics etc.
It is a blinkered viewpoint and is merely an easy soundbite with no real evidence when looked at Dublin GAA as a whole.
You say Dublin would not have had success without money and it is completely true? How is it completely true?
Can tactical ingenuity, speed of thought and mental strength be bought?
How many of Dublin's finals in the five in a row were won by more than one score?
Also you erroneously make the hyperbolic claim that other counties cannot replicate the success Dublin have achieved.
Recently Kerry have just done it in minor football. Cork have eclipsed it in ladies football.
And most telling of all in the first game v Kerry it was clear Kerry were adopting Dublin's tactics of the high press. So it can clearly be replicated and very nearly worked.
Also you go on about the 'home' pitch the Dublin hurlers do terribly when forced to play in Croke Park outside Parnell Park. Do you view Croke Park as the hurlers home pitch as well? Or does it not matter to you because they are not good there it does not suit your argument?
Also you speak of the playing pool having a large playing pool surely means there is more funding required not less.
A large playing pool does not automitcally equate to a high standard - otherwise China would be doing well in soccer world cups.
There is also the added problems of vast areas of Dublin which have no GAA or just one club for a large population.
You never seem to see those issues surprisingly.
Also economics of scale and so on -Example tyrone built a completed centre of excellence for 1m less than the price of just a site of land the DCB bought in the spawell.
You only seem to know one phrase 'financial doping' which is from the school of Donald Trump thinking 'Crooked Hillary' 'Drain the swamp'.
The simple people then get swayed by the phrases if they are repeated often enough.
With no real scrutiny attached to them.Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.
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You did post several charts and they did indeed show that Dublin's title count has drastically increased. I didn't comment on your "analysis" because it was a load of wordy garbage and it was irrelevant to the point I was making.
I'd qualify that and say more funding = more success, not necessarily a guaranteed victory in every code and every level every single year. But the actual evidence you seek has been provided many times, you have just chosen to disregard it as you are a biased Dublin supporter with your head in the sand. You'd rather see the inter-county game ruined than the playing field leveled- not a true supporter of Gaelic games in other words.
Many ways- enhanced backroom teams, improved development of talented players, improved standard of Dublin club competitions and many many more ways.
You realise the argument you are making is that money has no impact on sporting results- it's absolutely absurd.
Why do you keep repeating this lie? I've said numerous times that funding isn't the sole reason. Please stop lying so much.
It actually enhanced my argument, that's probably why you won't repeat it.
Not automatic i.e the money would have to be spent well. Dublin do seem to have done this in fairness. Although we're not talking peanuts here, we're talking tens of millions of euro.
"Financial doping" is a good term as it implies that the Dublin success is unfair, not attainable or replicable by any other county and gives them an unfair advantage on every other county. It also implies that they wouldn't have had this level of success without the money. All of this is completely true.
I think I may understand a little bit more about the GAA, and sport in general, than people who think funding is irrelevant so sporting outcomes in the 21st century, that home pitch advantage doesn't matter and that having a playing pool 6 times the average doesn't confer any advantage.
Any of those things individually would be a huge benefit but taken together you have the perfect storm for endless Dublin dominance.
And seriously- you and all Dublin fans should realise how tiresome this victim act is. You've been favoured hugely by the organisation and still you whinge.
I assume you’ll agree that the “financial doping” of Kerry over the decades is also unfair then even though they’ve also spent money well (and used the administrative advantages well also)0 -
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