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The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,018 ✭✭✭Bridge93


    To a certain extent the GAA are al ittle hamstrung by it all.

    Unless more money comes out of the sky then the only way to even funding between counties is remove from Dublin and give to others. But this, given dublin's population size, ends with kids in Dublin then receiving less funding per head than in other counties (and sure we all know its equality everyone is after...).
    Where to get more money from i dont know. People whinge about tv deals and stuff so they cant win there. People whinge about games being played in Croke Park so cant win there. Would be nice to hear some ideas as to where the cash will come from? Unless of course it is just remove it from Dublin and to hell with the kids there.

    Really the only truly 'fair' way the GAA can go is 32/64 whatever number of equally sized areas with equal funding and go from there but that destroys what the GAA stands for and will never succeed. Also this idea of 'fair' in all means seems to be unique to intercounty GAA. Its not even debated at club level to this extent. Dont hear of it in other sports.
    The logistical nightmare of deciding along what grounds areas are deemed to be 'fair' or 'equal' doesnt bare thinking about. Is it size/population/playing population? Is it reevaluated every few years for changes and then new area boundaries set? Is Dublin split in 8 one year and cork in 4 and then dublin 6 another year and cork in 3?

    The GAA are a bit stuck in that societal and economic needs (the population moving to the Dublin area) creates a situation where competitve top level sport and funding to create grassroot opportunities for all are in conflict with each other. The big funding does no doubt have an impact on pushing Dublin ahead of the rest. But as well as competition the GAA are tasked with the growth and expansion of their games and as dublin's population climbs that means more and more funding to support them.

    I see no way for a competitive championship outside franchising of sorts. No draft or anything, still representative of your area, but just not the traditional areas you may know. May kill interest but society probably means counties are dead anyway long term competition wise


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,064 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Bridge93 wrote: »
    To a certain extent the GAA are al ittle hamstrung by it all.

    Unless more money comes out of the sky then the only way to even funding between counties is remove from Dublin and give to others. But this, given dublin's population size, ends with kids in Dublin then receiving less funding per head than in other counties (and sure we all know its equality everyone is after...).
    Where to get more money from i dont know. People whinge about tv deals and stuff so they cant win there. People whinge about games being played in Croke Park so cant win there. Would be nice to hear some ideas as to where the cash will come from? Unless of course it is just remove it from Dublin and to hell with the kids there.

    Really the only truly 'fair' way the GAA can go is 32/64 whatever number of equally sized areas with equal funding and go from there but that destroys what the GAA stands for and will never succeed. Also this idea of 'fair' in all means seems to be unique to intercounty GAA. Its not even debated at club level to this extent. Dont hear of it in other sports.
    The logistical nightmare of deciding along what grounds areas are deemed to be 'fair' or 'equal' doesnt bare thinking about. Is it size/population/playing population? Is it reevaluated every few years for changes and then new area boundaries set? Is Dublin split in 8 one year and cork in 4 and then dublin 6 another year and cork in 3?

    The GAA need to look at how the funding is applied. Maybe now that Dublin is successful the reduce the funding and move that funding to somewhere else to help them, Dublin could probably the replace the funding through sponsorship. Only a suggestion. Is there are a template for applying for the funding or is it just given out based on how many clubs or players in each club? A fairer way maybe to introduce a model similar the to sports grants that clubs can apply for from the Goverment, in that they must submit a detail plan on what the money will be used for and it must only be used for that and then this reviewed by whatever GAA committee or group that looks after it and the funding is then given out.

    The other issue is the movement of people from the country side to the cities, there is nothing the GAA can do about that, unless they pay the players.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,942 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    It’s not again, how much funding, it’s what you do with it...it’s your attitude, mindset, as a parent, coach, volunteer, inter county player, physio, administrator, Doctor...

    the great thing in GAA in Dublin is how everyone there ^ sticks together, pulls together, does their bit to enhance the experience for everyone. There is a great selfless mindset to each and EVERY aspect to Dublin GAA. Piss and moan about funding, the population all you want but what is driving the force behind their success ? The above... ^^^^^ not financial doping that’s been proven, not population that’s been proven.

    I know of Dublin inter county players coaching kids, helping train people in the gym who have had a medical issue get back on their feet (I’ve been one) it’s a county wide drive and they deserve everything that they get...sprint for six, yes fûckin please, let’s go.

    Dublin have won 8 out of the last 36 all Irelands. Worse than 1 in 4.

    All earned through hard work, in gyms, on the pitches, on streets and all besides doing day jobs, raising kids, etc....

    So good luck to them, success has been earned, forget the drive for five, the sprint for six, it starts here and FÛCK the begrudgers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    rm75 wrote: »
    No playing field is level. If it was there would have been an equal spread of winners throughout history. There isnt. How have Kerry won as many all irelands as they have ?

    Various reasons but none of them include unfair advantages like financial doping, massive population and home pitch advantage.
    rm75 wrote: »

    You've decided to focus on the advantages Dublin may have while ignoring the advantages others have.

    Dublin are the only team with meaningful advantages in the current setup.
    rm75 wrote: »
    N

    Again your problem isn't that a county is dominating or indeed are you really bothered as to the reasons for that. Your problem is that county is Dublin.

    No my problem is that a county are unfairly advantaged versus everyone else. The fact it is Dublin is irrelevant- for instance, if anyone else was engaged in financial doping of the sort that Dublin have been engaged in for the last 15 years I would criticise them too.
    rm75 wrote: »

    If you came on here and suggested 32 different franchises with the exact same populations and exact same funding (which is the natural end point of your argument) i'd take you seriously. Given you wont the only reasonable conclusion one can make is you are anti dublin and only care that they dont win. How that is achieved doesnt interest you.

    I'm pro- Gaelic Games, not anti-Dublin. I want to see Dublin split to help ensure the survival of Gaelic Football at inter-county level.
    naughtb4 wrote: »
    Cork have 5x the population of Waterford?
    Galways has 7x the population of Leitrim?

    Do they have an unfair advantage there?

    When population is mentioned at what point is it "fair"?

    Hard to say as it's impossible to do real life experiments on this. But generally, the larger the potential player pool, the bigger the advantage- very few sparsely populated counties have won footballing All- Irelands.

    But Dublin have clearly achieved critical mass here and are benefiting from their population- if you split their population in half they would still be more than the next largest county.

    I previously was only in favour of splitting Dublin in two but because of their financial doping and the long term residual effects that it will have, a 4 way split would now be fairer.
    tritium wrote: »
    As opposed to Munster, which went to the dogs about a century ago and hasn’t come back yet...

    Munster has some semblance of competition- Cork and Kerry, one third of the teams.

    Leinster has absolutely none at the moment.

    Gaelic games are thriving in Munster generally albeit it is mostly hurling.

    No team in Munster benefits from the financial doping that Dublin do though, so it's not a like with like comparison.
    tritium wrote: »
    Why is it a crisis when dublin are doing well provincially and in AIs but not a problem when Kerry are?

    Because Dublin are financially doping and also have other advantages, Kerry and other teams don't. As I've explained many times, it's not just the outcomes, but also the fact Dublin are unfairly advantaged.
    tritium wrote: »

    How many people cared about dublin doing well on Leinster pre 2011?

    The financial doping started in earnest in the mid 2000s. There had been calls to split Dublin based on population alone in the early 2000s as well.
    tritium wrote: »
    How will splitting dublin do anything to make the game “fairer” if youre from say Leitrim?

    The team currently benefiting from all the unfair advantages will no longer do so- it will instead be dispersed among 4 different Dublin teams and thus make the competition as a whole more fair and competitive (and also benefit Dublin by allowing more players to challenge for Sam Maguire).
    tritium wrote: »

    What do you propose to do to balance out Kerry’s historic dominance, which has been more pronounced than Dublin’s?

    As above- Dublin are financially doping and also have other advantages, Kerry and other teams don't. As I've explained many times, it's not just the outcomes, but also the fact Dublin are unfairly advantaged.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    One good thing about the financially doped Dublin juggernaut winning five in a row is that it seems to have concentrated mainstream media minds about how big a problem it is that they are winning from such an unfairly advantaged position. This is fantastic as it has mostly been ignored by them for the last many years.

    Just this week we had the primetime piece and below are just some of the articles I've come across- all from fairly well regarded, balanced voices. Don't agree with everything said, especially a lot of Colm O'Rourke's piece but it's great to see more and more people coming to the conclusion that Dublin will need to be split.

    Do the Boys in Blue have an unfair advantage in the GAA?

    SPLIT THE CAPITAL ‘The division of Dublin needs to be seriously examined’ – Meath legend Colm O’Rourke calls for action from the GAA

    Dublin’s success owes more to population than funding
    Climbing population levels in the capital are creating an existential crisis for the GAA


    Kevin McStay: If Dublin win six will the GAA see it as a problem?

    So it appears it is not just the Dublin bogeyman of Ewan Mackenna talking about it now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,665 ✭✭✭kyote00


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    gaffer91 wrote: »
    One good thing about the financially doped Dublin juggernaut winning five in a row is that it seems to have concentrated mainstream media minds about how big a problem it is that they are winning from such an unfairly advantaged position. This is fantastic as it has mostly been ignored by them for the last many years.

    Just this week we had the primetime piece and below are just some of the articles I've come across- all from fairly well regarded, balanced voices. Don't agree with everything said, especially a lot of Colm O'Rourke's piece but it's great to see more and more people coming to the conclusion that Dublin will need to be split.

    Do the Boys in Blue have an unfair advantage in the GAA?

    SPLIT THE CAPITAL ‘The division of Dublin needs to be seriously examined’ – Meath legend Colm O’Rourke calls for action from the GAA

    Dublin’s success owes more to population than funding
    Climbing population levels in the capital are creating an existential crisis for the GAA


    Kevin McStay: If Dublin win six will the GAA see it as a problem?

    So it appears it is not just the Dublin bogeyman of Ewan Mackenna talking about it now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,176 ✭✭✭omega man


    Gaffer91 you can repeat your mantra of financial doping to yourself all you want but there’ll be no splitting of Dublin, I’ll guarantee it.

    Funding will be discussed and reviewed at central level but ultimately will remain as is, in the interim at least.

    The DCB are always willing and able to share their blueprints with other county boards, there’s no secrets to the success. Let’s see if the other counties can learn from us and put in place their own unique proposals based on their own specific needs. Take heed though, it’s very very easy to get it wrong.

    Good luck!


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,149 Mod ✭✭✭✭bruschi


    omega man wrote: »
    Gaffer91 you can repeat your mantra of financial doping to yourself all you want but there’ll be no splitting of Dublin, I’ll guarantee it.

    Funding will be discussed and reviewed at central level but ultimately will remain as is, in the interim at least.

    The DCB are always willing and able to share their blueprints with other county boards, there’s no secrets to the success. Let’s see if the other counties can learn from us and put in place their own unique proposals based on their own specific needs. Take heed though, it’s very very easy to get it wrong.

    Good luck!

    The GAA are sharing their success with provincial councils to roll out the same club coaching GDA to some other counties. Again, this isnt something that was solely devised by Dublin as if it was some sort ingenious plan. It was done with the GAA in conjunction with Dublin Co board. Many other counties had similar plans for enactment, but got zero funding over and above what they were already receiving.

    I've posted previously, but here is some info on the East Leinster project. I dont know of any other province having anything similar to somehow replicate the coaching (and funding) structure.

    https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/1-5m-gaa-funding-boost-for-east-leinster-project-34934104.html

    https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2019/02/07/news/gaa-defends-urban-investment-as-it-offers-leinster-counties-50-50-coaching-model-1546051/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,176 ✭✭✭omega man


    bruschi wrote: »
    The GAA are sharing their success with provincial councils to roll out the same club coaching GDA to some other counties. Again, this isnt something that was solely devised by Dublin as if it was some sort ingenious plan. It was done with the GAA in conjunction with Dublin Co board. Many other counties had similar plans for enactment, but got zero funding over and above what they were already receiving.

    I've posted previously, but here is some info on the East Leinster project. I dont know of any other province having anything similar to somehow replicate the coaching (and funding) structure.

    https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/1-5m-gaa-funding-boost-for-east-leinster-project-34934104.html

    https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2019/02/07/news/gaa-defends-urban-investment-as-it-offers-leinster-counties-50-50-coaching-model-1546051/

    You’d have to ask why funding was rejected. Dublin’s development funding is not some conspiracy designed to dominate IC now and forever.

    Personally I’d like to see more investment in Hurling or Football in predominantly single code counties but that’s overly simplistic I know!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,128 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    gaffer91 wrote: »
    As above- Dublin are financially doping and also have other advantages, Kerry and other teams don't. As I've explained many times, it's not just the outcomes, but also the fact Dublin are unfairly advantaged.

    Dublin are not financially doped. Not one single cent.
    You have zero evidence of it and repeatedly fail to provide same. All you are capable of doing is copying and pasting something cribbed from twitter which proves nothing. Repeat ad nauseum.

    They have zero unfair advantages. Not one single unfair advantage. They have not acted unfairly.

    Splitting Dublin is the defeatist idea of a loser mentality. It is pathetic. It would be laughed at and riduculed in soccer, rugby or cricket and rightly so. And deserves the same treatment in GAA as the philosophy of losers.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,665 ✭✭✭kyote00


    All those articles say is that Dublin are getting the coaching methods right.
    They are 50/50 funded with about 60-70 coaches in Dublin.

    345 coaches employed across the country. Increased funding make to Meath, Louth, Kildare and Wicklow.

    Again, for Dublin 70/345 is approx 20% of the coaches. In Dublin, there are 2151 teams of a total of 20873 --> is about 10%

    So there is no large swing in those figures


    bruschi wrote: »
    The GAA are sharing their success with provincial councils to roll out the same club coaching GDA to some other counties. Again, this isnt something that was solely devised by Dublin as if it was some sort ingenious plan. It was done with the GAA in conjunction with Dublin Co board. Many other counties had similar plans for enactment, but got zero funding over and above what they were already receiving.

    I've posted previously, but here is some info on the East Leinster project. I dont know of any other province having anything similar to somehow replicate the coaching (and funding) structure.

    https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/1-5m-gaa-funding-boost-for-east-leinster-project-34934104.html

    https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2019/02/07/news/gaa-defends-urban-investment-as-it-offers-leinster-counties-50-50-coaching-model-1546051/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭tritium


    gaffer91 wrote: »
    Various reasons but none of them include unfair advantages like financial doping, massive population and home pitch advantage.



    Dublin are the only team with meaningful advantages in the current setup.

    So little things over the years like backhand payments from sponsors or indeed more developed legitimate sponsorship and fundraising channels are fine and it’s ok that they have helped to push one or two teams ahead to a point they won’t be caught? I’m struggling to be honest to understand your definition of equality.

    No my problem is that a county are unfairly advantaged versus everyone else. The fact it is Dublin is irrelevant- for instance, if anyone else was engaged in financial doping of the sort that Dublin have been engaged in for the last 15 years I would criticise them too.

    See above so, when a team can pull three quarter of a million odd quid from a US fundraiser then they’re clearly financially ahead also. When a team can have a sponsor write a cheque for a large portion of the center of excellence they’re building they’re clearly financially ahead also. Do you think Leitrim have that luxury? Westmeath?
    I'm pro- Gaelic Games, not anti-Dublin. I want to see Dublin split to help ensure the survival of Gaelic Football at inter-county level.

    Very noble. Tell us so how your plan will stop the financially dopedKerry juggernaut that’s won 81 Munster titles? Tell us how your plan will make Leitrim a footballing force and a contender for an AI title. Because if it doesn’t it’s just hot air being used to keep the flames of the previous status quo alive
    Hard to say as it's impossible to do real life experiments on this. But generally, the larger the potential player pool, the bigger the advantage- very few sparsely populated counties have won footballing All- Irelands.

    But Dublin have clearly achieved critical mass here and are benefiting from their population- if you split their population in half they would still be more than the next largest county.

    Not hard to do at all. We have ample evidence from a range of international sport. The All Blacks in rugby, from a country of roughly 5 million, who managed to consistently top the pile with innovation and ability. India in cricket, who despite a population of 1 billion and an interest in the sport are far from dominant. Netherlands in soccer, West Indies in cricket, Jamaica in athletics, China in soccer in spite of strong interest,.......

    I previously was only in favour of splitting Dublin in two but because of their financial doping and the long term residual effects that it will have, a 4 way split would now be fairer.
    Why given all of the points above (more longer term cases of financial doping, population not being directly linked to sporting success conclusively....

    Munster has some semblance of competition- Cork and Kerry, one third of the teams.
    81 titles- 81 out of 131- 62%of titles won by one team. Don’t you feel even remotely embarrassed typing that?

    Competition my ass

    Leinster has absolutely none at the moment.

    Munster has never had any
    Gaelic games are thriving in Munster generally albeit it is mostly hurling.

    No team in Munster benefits from the financial doping that Dublin do though, so it's not a like with like comparison.

    There’s been a far longer disparity and financial mismatch in Munster. Again, how do you propose in your quest for fairness to ensure Leitrim or Waterford have a good chance of a football AI?

    Because Dublin are financially doping and also have other advantages, Kerry and other teams don't. As I've explained many times, it's not just the outcomes, but also the fact Dublin are unfairly advantaged.



    The financial doping started in earnest in the mid 2000s. There had been calls to split Dublin based on population alone in the early 2000s as well.

    As above, population is a red herring. How do you propose to address the legacy of financial and administrative doping in Munster? It’s been a footballing wasteland for some counties for over a century. Given you’ve only had to worry about dublin since the end of the noughties I’m sure you’ve plans and ideas that you devised prior to that to deal with the Kerry problem. Maybe share them with us all?
    The team currently benefiting from all the unfair advantages will no longer do so- it will instead be dispersed among 4 different Dublin teams and thus make the competition as a whole more fair and competitive (and also benefit Dublin by allowing more players to challenge for Sam Maguire).

    Same plan for Kerry given the above?
    As above- Dublin are financially doping and also have other advantages, Kerry and other teams don't. As I've explained many times, it's not just the outcomes, but also the fact Dublin are unfairly advantaged.


    But as I’ve demonstrated above, Kerry have also been advantaged, for quite some time. Given the duration of this problem fixing it would seem to be a priority, since doing something about dublin will just perpetuate the previous historic imbalances. I’m sure you don’t want that, do you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 294 ✭✭TrueGael


    omega man wrote: »
    Gaffer91 you can repeat your mantra of financial doping to yourself all you want but there’ll be no splitting of Dublin, I’ll guarantee it.

    Funding will be discussed and reviewed at central level but ultimately will remain as is, in the interim at least.

    The DCB are always willing and able to share their blueprints with other county boards, there’s no secrets to the success. Let’s see if the other counties can learn from us and put in place their own unique proposals based on their own specific needs. Take heed though, it’s very very easy to get it wrong.

    Good luck!

    Thats like Bury FC (RIP) going to Man City to copy their methods or the local corner shop asking Tesco or Dunnes on what the magic sauce is........


    Make no mistake the continued collapse in attendances in the GAAs golden goose will eventually force the split, its a matter of when not if


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,088 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    TrueGael wrote: »
    Thats like Bury FC (RIP) going to Man City to copy their methods or the local corner shop asking Tesco or Dunnes on what the magic sauce is........


    Make no mistake the continued collapse in attendances in the GAAs golden goose will eventually force the split, its a matter of when not if

    Any timelines or is this speculation and/or hope?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 294 ✭✭TrueGael


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Dublin are not financially doped. Not one single cent.
    You have zero evidence of it and repeatedly fail to provide same. All you are capable of doing is copying and pasting something cribbed from twitter which proves nothing. Repeat ad nauseum.

    They have zero unfair advantages. Not one single unfair advantage. They have not acted unfairly.

    Splitting Dublin is the defeatist idea of a loser mentality. It is pathetic. It would be laughed at and riduculed in soccer, rugby or cricket and rightly so. And deserves the same treatment in GAA as the philosophy of losers.

    The idea of a third of the population fielding one team in a 32 team competition and rhat team getting all the funding, professional backroom team and every game at home would have them splitting themselves

    Imagine Man Utd having every game at Old Trafford.............


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,088 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    TrueGael wrote: »
    The idea of a third of the population fielding one team in a 32 team competition and rhat team getting all the funding, professional backroom team and every game at home would have them splitting themselves

    Imagine Man Utd having every game at Old Trafford.............

    For the umpteenth time, ' all the other clubs in Leinster could vote Dublin out of Croker every year.'
    But they won't.
    I wonder why!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,128 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    TrueGael wrote: »
    The idea of a third of the population fielding one team in a 32 team competition and rhat team getting all the funding, professional backroom team and every game at home would have them splitting themselves
    Imagine Man Utd having every game at Old Trafford.............

    India at cricket has greater population than all the other serious cricket countries combined. Massive population imbalances in soccer and rugby. Uruguay dont whinge about splitting Brazil in Copa America even though their population is 45% of S America.
    Its a laughable defeatist cowardly mentality behind the idea of splitting.

    Man Utd play at Old Trafford in front of 90 percent of their own fans. Neutral games there are rare.
    Not remotely comparable to when Dublin play in Croke Park. Kerry and Mayo have played there in many times before against Dublin and others, in a city with a large number of their own fans resident.

    Dublin and Kerry received equal allocations for the AI games... Dublin have home pitch advantage but it is nothing like true home advantage in rugby or soccer games.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,176 ✭✭✭omega man


    TrueGael wrote: »
    The idea of a third of the population fielding one team in a 32 team competition and rhat team getting all the funding, professional backroom team and every game at home would have them splitting themselves

    Imagine Man Utd having every game at Old Trafford.............

    How many times do you propose to split Dublin? Then what other counties must be split I.e., Cork etc in order for a level playing field with smaller counties?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 294 ✭✭TrueGael


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Any timelines or is this speculation and/or hope?

    Its survival, the shysters got lucky with the replay this year unfortunately, however with each passing year , more and more are turning away from going to games as the end result is beyond inevitable and that penny is dropping with more and more people as time passes. AI Finals wont sellout in a few years that's when affirmative action will be taken.

    If you think theyll allow the AIG monster drive the ship into an iceberg youve got another thing coming so enjoy these hollow "victories" while you can because the end is on the horizon............


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 294 ✭✭TrueGael


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    India at cricket has greater population than all the other serious cricket countries combined. Massive population imbalances in soccer and rugby. Uruguay dont whinge about splitting Brazil in Copa America even though their population is 45% of S America.
    Its a laughable defeatist cowardly mentality behind the idea of splitting.

    Man Utd play at Old Trafford in front of 90 percent of their own fans. Neutral games there are rare.
    Not remotely comparable to when Dublin play in Croke Park. Kerry and Mayo have played there in many times before against Dublin and others, in a city with a large number of their own fans resident.

    Dublin and Kerry received equal allocations for the AI games... Dublin have home pitch advantage but it is nothing like true home advantage in rugby or soccer games.

    Before the days before HQ moved ye there permanently , you'd have a leg to stand on but that is a decade gone now of the same ground and routine so you dont

    Man U only play half of their league games half of their European games there so again level playing field that doesnt exist here.

    It isnt feasible to expect much poorer economy wise counties on the West Coast to bring any where near the same crowd to your ground when they have to pay big travel costs and long journeys to get there as well as tiny fractions of population so more nonsense


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    Will he ever stop do you think?

    Can't be good for the chap.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,128 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    TrueGael wrote: »
    Before the days before HQ moved ye there permanently , you'd have a leg to stand on but that is a decade gone now of the same ground and routine so you dont
    Man U only play half of their league games half of their European games there so again level playing field that doesnt exist here.
    It isnt feasible to expect much poorer economy wise counties on the West Coast to bring any where near the same crowd to your ground when they have to pay big travel costs and long journeys to get there as well as tiny fractions of population so more nonsense

    What is the % ticket allocation for Man Utd fans when they play at Old Trafford in the competitions listed?
    What was the % ticket allocation for Dublin's games v Mayo and Kerry?
    How many times have Mayo and Kerry played in Croke Park in last 5 years.
    Come on. Answer up.

    Ah the poor folk of Kerry. Did they not take up their 13000 allocated tickets for the AI final cos they spent 7 million euros on their centre of excellence? Did they heck.

    The GAA could never have afforded to redevelop Croke Park and provide capital grants to fund stadia around the country, if the Dublin fans werent on Hill 16 but in some new Dublin home ground.
    Thats the real world reason why Dublin play there. Its not an unfair advantage conspired at by Dublin.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 294 ✭✭TrueGael


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    Will he ever stop do you think?

    Can't be good for the chap.

    Says the lad with nearly 5.5 k posts with me being under 300 and only an 11 month difference in joining up here

    Yeah good one chief


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 294 ✭✭TrueGael


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    What is the % ticket allocation for Man Utd fans when they play at Old Trafford in the competitions listed?
    What was the % ticket allocation for Dublin's games v Mayo and Kerry?
    How many times have Mayo and Kerry played in Croke Park in last 5 years.
    Come on. Answer up.

    Ah the poor folk of Kerry. Did they not take up their 13000 allocated tickets for the AI final cos they spent 7 million euros on their centre of excellence? Did they heck.

    The GAA could never have afforded to redevelop Croke Park and provide capital grants to fund stadia around the country, if the Dublin fans werent on Hill 16 but in some new Dublin home ground.
    Thats the real world reason why Dublin play there. Its not an unfair advantage conspired at by Dublin.

    A handful of times compared the golden child, particularly for the many young players on those particular 2 teams who dont get to acclimatised to the surroundings with 4/5 league games and doddle Leinster Championship "games" and instead have to adjust on the fly in high pressure occasions

    Ye dont turn up to games anymore, empty seats abound so thats another myth that doesn't hold up anymore (again mid 00s and youd be correct but not anymore)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    TrueGael wrote: »
    Says the lad with nearly 5.5 k posts with me being under 300 and only an 11 month difference in joining up here

    Yeah good one chief



    It is a good forum and I post about many aspects of GAA. I don't think you have ever even indicated what county man you are? Or posted about their teams?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,274 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Saw this on twitter today, interesting reading. When it was agreed to increase funding to Dublin in ‘02 it was done so with the intention of splitting Dublin. Tommy Lyons, Dublin manager at the time hadn’t any issue with it.

    https://martinwynne.home.blog/2019/09/17/the-gaa-strategic-review-why-was-it-not-fully-implemented/

    Have never advocated Dublin being split myself, just wanted to see funding imbalances sorted. Do think it may be too late now even if funding were to be sorted tomorrow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,128 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    TrueGael wrote: »
    A handful of times compared the golden child, particularly for the many young players on those particular 2 teams who dont get to acclimatised to the surroundings with 4/5 league games and doddle Leinster Championship "games" and instead have to adjust on the fly in high pressure occasions

    Young players? You mean like the Kerry minor football teams who have won so many recent titles ... in Croke Park?
    They seem to adjust on the fly fairly well.

    But then in this thread there seems to be so many rules for Kerry versus Dublin its laughable in the transparency of the motives and agenda.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,950 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    TrueGael wrote: »
    Thats like Bury FC (RIP) going to Man City to copy their methods or the local corner shop asking Tesco or Dunnes on what the magic sauce is........


    Make no mistake the continued collapse in attendances in the GAAs golden goose will eventually force the split, its a matter of when not if


    Except that they are not collapsing in the way that you think.

    Attendances are way above the Kerry era, when even Kerry people didn’t travel for finals. Dubs are still filling Croke Park on finals day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,128 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    ClanofLams wrote: »
    Saw this on twitter today, interesting reading. When it was agreed to increase funding to Dublin in ‘02 it was done so with the intention of splitting Dublin. Tommy Lyons, Dublin manager at the time hadn’t any issue with it.

    https://martinwynne.home.blog/2019/09/17/the-gaa-strategic-review-why-was-it-not-fully-implemented/

    Have never advocated Dublin being split myself, just wanted to see funding imbalances sorted. Do think it may be too late now even if funding were to be sorted tomorrow.

    I wouldnt interpret Tommy Lyons comment that way... especially as the report left it up to the intended two Dublin county boards to decide to field one or two teams. One could easily imagine two teams at minor, u21 but not at senior.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,950 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    It is a good forum and I post about many aspects of GAA. I don't think you have ever even indicated what county man you are? Or posted about their teams?


    Would guess that he’s from the Kingdom.


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