odyssey06 wrote: » India at cricket has greater population than all the other serious cricket countries combined. Massive population imbalances in soccer and rugby. Uruguay dont whinge about splitting Brazil in Copa America even though their population is 45% of S America. Its a laughable defeatist cowardly mentality behind the idea of splitting. Man Utd play at Old Trafford in front of 90 percent of their own fans. Neutral games there are rare. Not remotely comparable to when Dublin play in Croke Park. Kerry and Mayo have played there in many times before against Dublin and others, in a city with a large number of their own fans resident. Dublin and Kerry received equal allocations for the AI games... Dublin have home pitch advantage but it is nothing like true home advantage in rugby or soccer games.
Fann Linn wrote: » Any timelines or is this speculation and/or hope?
TrueGael wrote: » The idea of a third of the population fielding one team in a 32 team competition and rhat team getting all the funding, professional backroom team and every game at home would have them splitting themselves Imagine Man Utd having every game at Old Trafford.............
odyssey06 wrote: » Dublin are not financially doped. Not one single cent. You have zero evidence of it and repeatedly fail to provide same. All you are capable of doing is copying and pasting something cribbed from twitter which proves nothing. Repeat ad nauseum. They have zero unfair advantages. Not one single unfair advantage. They have not acted unfairly. Splitting Dublin is the defeatist idea of a loser mentality. It is pathetic. It would be laughed at and riduculed in soccer, rugby or cricket and rightly so. And deserves the same treatment in GAA as the philosophy of losers.
TrueGael wrote: » Thats like Bury FC (RIP) going to Man City to copy their methods or the local corner shop asking Tesco or Dunnes on what the magic sauce is........ Make no mistake the continued collapse in attendances in the GAAs golden goose will eventually force the split, its a matter of when not if
omega man wrote: » Gaffer91 you can repeat your mantra of financial doping to yourself all you want but there’ll be no splitting of Dublin, I’ll guarantee it. Funding will be discussed and reviewed at central level but ultimately will remain as is, in the interim at least. The DCB are always willing and able to share their blueprints with other county boards, there’s no secrets to the success. Let’s see if the other counties can learn from us and put in place their own unique proposals based on their own specific needs. Take heed though, it’s very very easy to get it wrong. Good luck!
gaffer91 wrote: » Various reasons but none of them include unfair advantages like financial doping, massive population and home pitch advantage. Dublin are the only team with meaningful advantages in the current setup.
No my problem is that a county are unfairly advantaged versus everyone else. The fact it is Dublin is irrelevant- for instance, if anyone else was engaged in financial doping of the sort that Dublin have been engaged in for the last 15 years I would criticise them too.
I'm pro- Gaelic Games, not anti-Dublin. I want to see Dublin split to help ensure the survival of Gaelic Football at inter-county level.
Hard to say as it's impossible to do real life experiments on this. But generally, the larger the potential player pool, the bigger the advantage- very few sparsely populated counties have won footballing All- Irelands. But Dublin have clearly achieved critical mass here and are benefiting from their population- if you split their population in half they would still be more than the next largest county.
I previously was only in favour of splitting Dublin in two but because of their financial doping and the long term residual effects that it will have, a 4 way split would now be fairer.
Munster has some semblance of competition- Cork and Kerry, one third of the teams.
Leinster has absolutely none at the moment.
Gaelic games are thriving in Munster generally albeit it is mostly hurling. No team in Munster benefits from the financial doping that Dublin do though, so it's not a like with like comparison.
Because Dublin are financially doping and also have other advantages, Kerry and other teams don't. As I've explained many times, it's not just the outcomes, but also the fact Dublin are unfairly advantaged. The financial doping started in earnest in the mid 2000s. There had been calls to split Dublin based on population alone in the early 2000s as well.
The team currently benefiting from all the unfair advantages will no longer do so- it will instead be dispersed among 4 different Dublin teams and thus make the competition as a whole more fair and competitive (and also benefit Dublin by allowing more players to challenge for Sam Maguire).
As above- Dublin are financially doping and also have other advantages, Kerry and other teams don't. As I've explained many times, it's not just the outcomes, but also the fact Dublin are unfairly advantaged.
bruschi wrote: » The GAA are sharing their success with provincial councils to roll out the same club coaching GDA to some other counties. Again, this isnt something that was solely devised by Dublin as if it was some sort ingenious plan. It was done with the GAA in conjunction with Dublin Co board. Many other counties had similar plans for enactment, but got zero funding over and above what they were already receiving. I've posted previously, but here is some info on the East Leinster project. I dont know of any other province having anything similar to somehow replicate the coaching (and funding) structure.https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/1-5m-gaa-funding-boost-for-east-leinster-project-34934104.htmlhttps://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2019/02/07/news/gaa-defends-urban-investment-as-it-offers-leinster-counties-50-50-coaching-model-1546051/
gaffer91 wrote: » As above- Dublin are financially doping and also have other advantages, Kerry and other teams don't. As I've explained many times, it's not just the outcomes, but also the fact Dublin are unfairly advantaged.
gaffer91 wrote: » One good thing about the financially doped Dublin juggernaut winning five in a row is that it seems to have concentrated mainstream media minds about how big a problem it is that they are winning from such an unfairly advantaged position. This is fantastic as it has mostly been ignored by them for the last many years. Just this week we had the primetime piece and below are just some of the articles I've come across- all from fairly well regarded, balanced voices. Don't agree with everything said, especially a lot of Colm O'Rourke's piece but it's great to see more and more people coming to the conclusion that Dublin will need to be split.Do the Boys in Blue have an unfair advantage in the GAA?SPLIT THE CAPITAL ‘The division of Dublin needs to be seriously examined’ – Meath legend Colm O’Rourke calls for action from the GAADublin’s success owes more to population than funding Climbing population levels in the capital are creating an existential crisis for the GAAKevin McStay: If Dublin win six will the GAA see it as a problem? So it appears it is not just the Dublin bogeyman of Ewan Mackenna talking about it now.
rm75 wrote: » No playing field is level. If it was there would have been an equal spread of winners throughout history. There isnt. How have Kerry won as many all irelands as they have ?
rm75 wrote: » You've decided to focus on the advantages Dublin may have while ignoring the advantages others have.
rm75 wrote: » N Again your problem isn't that a county is dominating or indeed are you really bothered as to the reasons for that. Your problem is that county is Dublin.
rm75 wrote: » If you came on here and suggested 32 different franchises with the exact same populations and exact same funding (which is the natural end point of your argument) i'd take you seriously. Given you wont the only reasonable conclusion one can make is you are anti dublin and only care that they dont win. How that is achieved doesnt interest you.
naughtb4 wrote: » Cork have 5x the population of Waterford? Galways has 7x the population of Leitrim? Do they have an unfair advantage there? When population is mentioned at what point is it "fair"?
tritium wrote: » As opposed to Munster, which went to the dogs about a century ago and hasn’t come back yet...
tritium wrote: » Why is it a crisis when dublin are doing well provincially and in AIs but not a problem when Kerry are?
tritium wrote: » How many people cared about dublin doing well on Leinster pre 2011?
tritium wrote: » How will splitting dublin do anything to make the game “fairer” if youre from say Leitrim?
tritium wrote: » What do you propose to do to balance out Kerry’s historic dominance, which has been more pronounced than Dublin’s?
Bridge93 wrote: » To a certain extent the GAA are al ittle hamstrung by it all. Unless more money comes out of the sky then the only way to even funding between counties is remove from Dublin and give to others. But this, given dublin's population size, ends with kids in Dublin then receiving less funding per head than in other counties (and sure we all know its equality everyone is after...). Where to get more money from i dont know. People whinge about tv deals and stuff so they cant win there. People whinge about games being played in Croke Park so cant win there. Would be nice to hear some ideas as to where the cash will come from? Unless of course it is just remove it from Dublin and to hell with the kids there. Really the only truly 'fair' way the GAA can go is 32/64 whatever number of equally sized areas with equal funding and go from there but that destroys what the GAA stands for and will never succeed. Also this idea of 'fair' in all means seems to be unique to intercounty GAA. Its not even debated at club level to this extent. Dont hear of it in other sports. The logistical nightmare of deciding along what grounds areas are deemed to be 'fair' or 'equal' doesnt bare thinking about. Is it size/population/playing population? Is it reevaluated every few years for changes and then new area boundaries set? Is Dublin split in 8 one year and cork in 4 and then dublin 6 another year and cork in 3?
gaffer91 wrote: » I was thinking the same, the number of clubs per county is hilariously inaccurate! Look we're going around in circles again. Key points: 1. Dublin have received and continue to receive millions more in funding than every other county. Both from the GAA, from the government of the 2000s, from their sponsors. No-one else can compete with this. 2. As money matters in sport, this funding has helped them win more titles than would otherwise have been possible. Gormdubhgorm and Gachla have posted some charts showing an absolute explosion in Dublin titles since 2000 relative to the period before then. 3. Dublin also have other advantages- population and playing all consequential games in their de facto home pitch. All of this is well established. So, this thread shouldn't even really be about whether Dublin are unfairly favoured, it should be what the GAA can do to help manage this problem before it destroys the All Ireland series as a competitive spectacle. Look at how Leinster has gone to the dogs since the financial doping started (combined with other factors including the other unfair advantages mentioned in point 3)- we're already well down that path for the All Ireland championship. As mentioned before, I think the only effective measure will be to split their inter- county team into 4.
bruschi wrote: » and as I said in my very post post to you, I have at no stage ever blamed Dublin for this in any shape or form. I shouldnt have to re-emphasise, but I will, this is the GAA's fault. Expanding the game in Dublin is all well and good, but expanding such a huge population with still the one end team doesnt make sense in a competition based set up. There are huge issues outside of Dublin in rural parts that would love to have a small segment of the finances or resources that Dublin clubs have. As a very small example, our club are dual senior, so if we won both, would be up against say Kilmcud Crokes. What the Crokes take in one year of underage registration fees, would take my club over 100 years to get. We are chalk and cheese, but yet compete in the same competition. Yes, you have the likes of Mullinalaghta who had a superb odds against win over them, but it isnt sustainable long term to have such unbalanced competitions in terms of numbers and resources. Ultimately, the whole intercounty competition is a terrible template of a set up. But that will never change. Every club and county has its problems, with playing numbers, societal, rural/urban, employment etc. However only one county has been receiving far greater than all others to help combat this.
kyote00 wrote: » The funding per club by county show thats Dublin clubs don't get anymore funding.... Answer this one question: Do you agree that Dublin got approx 928 euro , in total funding , per club in 2018 ?
omega man wrote: » I agree but that’s not a Dublin problem. I do imagine though that the GAA saw Dublins population as an untapped resource of future expansion of the game. For the most part the GAA is embedded in local culture outside of Dublin.
omega man wrote: » But there is a clear attack from many (not you). It’s starts off by well done to dublin but...and ends with financial doping or an asterisk beside our AIs etc. 3 days after we won an historic 5 in a row and RTE run a primetime piece on Dublin funding. Seriously, why??!!
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