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woohoo!!! · 11-09-2019 09:08PM

Fascinating to read the heavily redacted info on yellow hammer. Of course they've resisted releasing communications, it would identify a lot of important folk of conspiring to lie to the public, parliament and the queen to get parliament suspended. Her maj must be considering invoking full monarchy powers to run the country, temporarily, considering the utter hames the current shower are making of it. Along with the Scottish court ruling and the poll on NI re Irish reunification, it's fair to say we're watching the UKs political authority crumbling. And of course the various factions are too focused on their cunning wheezes and counter-wheezes, to realise the danger.

J Mysterio · 11-09-2019 09:08PM

Document seems to ammount to 'we're fu*ked' and seems to just cover the obvious, things we here have pointed out as long ago as 2 years hence?

J Mysterio · 11-09-2019 09:14PM

Pretty mind blowing stuff here from Cadwalladr. Basically, should there not be a No Deal Brexit, a lot of people in 'the City' will lose a lot of money.

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1171838817470431234

gooch2k9 · 11-09-2019 09:15PM

Reminds me a little bit of the sectoral assessments David Davis threw together over breakfast one day before school work.

gooch2k9 · 11-09-2019 09:19PM

J Mysterio wrote: »

Pretty mind blowing stuff here from Cadwalladr. Basically, should there not be a No Deal Brexit, a lot of people in 'the City' will lose a lot of money.

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1171838817470431234

That's shocking. Cadwalladr seems to uncover serious stuff but it gets very little coverage, I only ever see it here. Unless I'm missing it..? That should be a major headline right there, on all news media.

The ordinary person supporting Brexit still considers the likes of Gina Miller challenging parliament suspension as "rich people trying to block the will of the people" but will readily ignore news like this. I've given up trying to persuade people to at least look at both sides of the argument.

J Mysterio · 11-09-2019 09:21PM

Sunday Times journalist believes she has the scoop on the redacted element of Yellowhammer

https://twitter.com/RosamundUrwin/status/1171873763295682560

A Dub in Glasgo · 11-09-2019 09:21PM

gooch2k9 wrote: »

That's shocking. Cadwalladr seems to uncover serious stuff but it gets very little coverage, I only ever see it here. Unless I'm missing it..? That should be a major headline right there, on all news media.

The ordinary person supporting Brexit still considers the likes of Gina Miller challenging parliament suspension as "rich people trying to block the will of the people" but will readily ignore news like this. I've given up trying to persuade people to at least look at both sides of the argument.

Very little coverage in the UK media, presumably she is not on message for them

trellheim · 11-09-2019 09:29PM

Andrew Neil and a lot of others despise Cadwallader even though she is one of the most highly lauded journos out there, a pulitzer finalist for finding out about Cambridge Analytica

J Mysterio · 11-09-2019 09:31PM

Latest Andrew Neil shownis basically going to be three people who agree with each other.

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1171822938296860672

"Journalism".

Also, Kwasi Kwarteng today said that 'people are beginning to question the impartiality of judges' and 'why are they getting involved in politics'.

With many of these politicians, you have to decide if they are just stupid or if they are nefarious. Either way, they are dangerous.

J Mysterio · 11-09-2019 09:31PM

trellheim wrote: »

Andrew Neil and a lot of others despise Cadwallader even though she is one of the most highly lauded journos out there, a pulitzer finalist for finding out about Cambridge Analytica

What a coincidence. I hadn't seen your post.

prawnsambo · 11-09-2019 09:34PM

J Mysterio wrote: »

Latest Andrew Neil shownis basically going to be three people who agree with each other.

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1171822938296860672

"Journalism".

Also, Kwasi Kwarteng today said that 'people are beginning to question the impartiality of judges' and 'why are they getting involved in politics'.

With many of these politicians, you have to decide if they are just stupid or if they are nefarious. Either way, they are dangerous.

"People are saying...". Straight from the Trump playbook.

Joe_ Public · 11-09-2019 09:35PM

"Cadswallop". Wasnt that what Neil tweeted one time when having a go at her on twitter. Think he had to subsequently delete it.

To be entirely fair, though, i'd have to point out that when it comes to interviewing, i've always found Andrew Neil to be an equal opportunities savager. Brexiteers, remainers, in betweeners - he'll take them all down with equal gusto if or when the opportunity arises. That time he got Johnson on the GATT24 thing was epic, all the interviews Johnson was doing around that time and it wasn't until Neil got hold of him that he was actually made to squirm. Not saying he's a pleasant chap or anything, and no secret he's a brexiteer, but he's damn good at the job he does, that i wouldn't try to deny.

Calina · 11-09-2019 09:36PM

J Mysterio wrote: »

Sunday Times journalist believes she has the scoop on the redacted element of Yellowhammer

https://twitter.com/RosamundUrwin/status/1171873763295682560

ST originally published story so I would not be surprised by this.

prawnsambo · 11-09-2019 09:40PM

More on that section 15 here.

Mefistofelino · 11-09-2019 09:42PM

J Mysterio wrote: »

Sunday Times journalist believes she has the scoop on the redacted element of Yellowhammer

https://twitter.com/RosamundUrwin/status/1171873763295682560

This has significant consequences for Ireland - the majority of our petroleum products come from UK refineries

Mr.Nice Guy · 11-09-2019 09:46PM

Farage with a predictable response.

https://twitter.com/itvpeston/status/1171878181264953344

It really is like a cult at this point. Anything negative will be dismissed as Project Fear, scaremongering, a 'Remoaner' plot etc.

L1011 · 11-09-2019 09:46PM

Mefistofelino wrote: »

This has significant consequences for Ireland - the majority of our petroleum products come from UK refineries

I thought Whitegate was slightly above 50% of road fuels? Still "slightly" is not a reassuring position!

woohoo!!! · 11-09-2019 09:47PM

Mefistofelino wrote: »

J Mysterio wrote: »

Sunday Times journalist believes she has the scoop on the redacted element of Yellowhammer

https://twitter.com/RosamundUrwin/status/1171873763295682560

This has significant consequences for Ireland - the majority of our petroleum products come from UK refineries

Including some of our reserves or at least that was the case.

J Mysterio · 11-09-2019 09:47PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

"Cadswallop". Wasnt that what Neil tweeted one time when having a go at her on twitter. Think he had to subsequently delete it.

To be entirely fair, though, i'd have to point out that when it comes to interviewing, i've always found Andrew Neil to be an equal opportunities savager. Brexiteers, remainers, in betweeners - he'll take them all down with equal gusto if or when the opportunity arises. That time he got Johnson on the GATT24 thing was epic, all the interviews Johnson was doing around that time and it wasn't until Neil got hold of him that he was actually made to squirm. Not saying he's a pleasant chap or anything, and no secret he's a brexiteer, but he's damn good at the job he does, that i wouldn't try to deny.

There's no doubt he can be tough on anyone, but tonight's show for example, where is the balance in the guests? All three of them are Brexiteers, including the host. That means that even if he is tough on them, who is espousing or championing the anti-Brexit viewpoint?

You would have to question the editorial policy there and im sure Neil has plenty of input as a very senior, respected figure. Even if he asks the other two tough questions, no one is speaking against Brexit.

What has Farage to offer? He is constantly platformed and is a clear cheat and liar. He's married to a German and his children have German passports for gods sake. Thats probably 'not kosher' to mention...

BBC is just worthless these days. Brexit Broadcasting Corporation? I remember I used to be very critical of Sky, but they have played a blinder throughout Brexit.

Enzokk · 11-09-2019 09:53PM

If I link some tweets already posted I apologize,

https://twitter.com/RosamundUrwin/status/1171864228879372289?s=20

So basically they have changed the heading on the documents and will now claim that these are the worst case scenario where before it was the base case. Then they will go onto the airwaves and tell people not to worry about the document because they are only the worst case. This is ridiculous and it is dangerous.

As for how the BBC is covering the Yellowhammer release, well obviously it is objective and behind the facts for the people to understand.

https://twitter.com/ChrisMasonBBC/status/1171866717657735168?s=20

https://twitter.com/ChrisMasonBBC/status/1171867143966793728?s=20

"Operation Yellowhammer" document marked "official sensitive" is "reasonable worst case scenario." It talks of lorries having to wait between one and a half and two and half days to cross Channel

The take from this BBC journalist that this is now the worst case scenario instead of the base is just repeating the party line. This is much the same as Laura Kuenssberg earlier where she only tweeted official release quotes and never seemed to question why the PM lied to the Queen.

Take the Channel 4 news piece on the events of today, they point out that the court found he lied to the Queen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usDAv2Y14T0

Itssoeasy · 11-09-2019 09:54PM

woohoo!!! wrote: »

Fascinating to read the heavily redacted info on yellow hammer. Of course they've resisted releasing communications, it would identify a lot of important folk of conspiring to lie to the public, parliament and the queen to get parliament suspended. Her maj must be considering invoking full monarchy powers to run the country, temporarily, considering the utter hames the current shower are making of it. Along with the Scottish court ruling and the poll on NI re Irish reunification, it's fair to say we're watching the UKs political authority crumbling. And of course the various factions are too focused on their cunning wheezes and counter-wheezes, to realise the danger.

Heavily reacted ? There's one paragraph redacted.

Strazdas · 11-09-2019 09:56PM

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Farage with a predictable response.

https://twitter.com/itvpeston/status/1171878181264953344

It really is like a cult at this point. Anything negative will be dismissed as Project Fear, scaremongering, a 'Remoaner' plot etc.

Brexiteers simply cannot handle bad news about Brexit. Anyone who delivers bad news is dismissed as a liar and a fraud, no matter how high up or eminent.

As you say, it's some sort of brainwashed cult. It's extraordinary to see in a modern democracy.

Calina · 11-09-2019 09:58PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

woohoo!!! wrote: »

Fascinating to read the heavily redacted info on yellow hammer. Of course they've resisted releasing communications, it would identify a lot of important folk of conspiring to lie to the public, parliament and the queen to get parliament suspended. Her maj must be considering invoking full monarchy powers to run the country, temporarily, considering the utter hames the current shower are making of it. Along with the Scottish court ruling and the poll on NI re Irish reunification, it's fair to say we're watching the UKs political authority crumbling. And of course the various factions are too focused on their cunning wheezes and counter-wheezes, to realise the danger.

Heavily reacted ? There's one paragraph redacted.

Seriously doubt that is the ectent of documentation on Operation Yellowhammer. There is no actual operation in that doc.

Enzokk · 11-09-2019 10:01PM

J Mysterio wrote: »

There's no doubt he can be tough on anyone, but tonight's show for example, where is the balance in the guests? All three of them are Brexiteers, including the host. That means that even if he is tough on them, who is espousing or championing the anti-Brexit viewpoint?

You would have to question the editorial policy there and im sure Neil has plenty of input as a very senior, respected figure. Even if he asks the other two tough questions, no one is speaking against Brexit.

What has Farage to offer? He is constantly platformed and is a clear cheat and liar. He's married to a German and his children have German passports for gods sake. Thats probably 'not kosher' to mention...

BBC is just worthless these days. Brexit Broadcasting Corporation? I remember I used to be very critical of Sky, but they have played a blinder throughout Brexit.

Neil may the one of the best, if not the best interviewer out there but this doesn't mean that his personal views and conduct has been below standard for a long time. He keeps on posting personally on twitter where he links articles that are skeptical of climate change and calls Cadwalladr a "mad cat lady" constantly and a conspiracy theorist. This while she keeps being vindicated by stories she uncovers.

James O'Brien mentioned today that he was told/asked by the BBC not to bring up that Johnson has lied to almost everybody while he was still doing work for them. They were uncomfortable with him pointing out that he lied to his wives about his girlfriends even though it was factually true. But they allow Neil to tweet away without any problems? The BBC really seems to have lost its way and its dependence on the government to ensure it has enough funding lets itself open to be manipulated.

VinLieger · 11-09-2019 10:01PM

Something being pointed out is they seem to have relabeled this from being "base scenario" ie the most likely to be the "worst case scenario" in an attempt to pretend this isnt all deffinitely going to happen.

However we all know already that the worst case scenario is a seperate document called black swan.

J Mysterio · 11-09-2019 10:01PM

Enzokk wrote: »

much the same as Laura Kuenssberg earlier where she only tweeted official release quotes and never seemed to question why the PM lied to the Queen.

Honestly, I hold Kuenssberg in contempt. She is reactionary rather than pro-active and regurgitates whatever she is fed. She is also a classic example of a journalist who gets to close to the subject and is then soft for fear of upsetting the people she essentially works with every day - need to keep a good working relationship! Really she just comes across as though she is enjoying herself, it's all a lark.

bilston · 11-09-2019 10:02PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Brexiteers simply cannot handle bad news about Brexit. Anyone who delivers bad news is dismissed as a liar and a fraud, no matter how high up or eminent.

As you say, it's some sort of brainwashed cult. It's extraordinary to see in a modern democracy.

Brexiteers (well some) remind me a bit of the guy at the end of Dr Strangelove riding the nuclear bomb and seemingly loving every minute of it.

bilston · 11-09-2019 10:04PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Something being pointed out is they seem to have relabeled this from being "base scenario" ie the most likely to be the "worst case scenario" in an attempt to pretend this isnt all deffinitely going to happen.

However we all know already that the worst case scenario is a seperate document called black swan.

As far as I'm concerned worst case scenario is potential martial law, maybe even some kind of civil war. Unlikely, but worryingly not entirely unthinkable.

LeinsterDub · 11-09-2019 10:11PM

Is 6 pages seriously the sum total of the operation yellowhammer document? Jesus they are so unprepared

Enzokk · 11-09-2019 10:13PM

Here is Kwasi Kwarteng trying to be smart and telling the people judges are impartial, but he is not saying it. It was mentioned earlier that this is classic Trump,

https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1171887952525443077?s=20

I may not have agreed with Owen Jones on Brexit (he has come around lately though), but he has a point when he tweeted this (not linking the tweet as it has the video again which I don't want to link a second time),

"A lot of people think Kwasi Kwarteng is a liar, a joke, a clown, an absolute embarrassment to humanity. I don't think that, by the way, not at all, but there are lots of people who think he's a liar, a joke, a clown, an embarrassment to humanity."

We can all play this game!

J Mysterio wrote: »

Honestly, I hold Kuenssberg in contempt. She is reactionary rather than pro-active and regurgitates whatever she is fed. She is also a classic example of a journalist who gets to close to the subject and is then soft for fear of upsetting the people she essentially works with every day - need to keep a good working relationship! Really she just comes across as though she is enjoying herself, it's all a lark.

You can bet she is not one of those who will be hit by the rises of food and fuel in a no-deal Brexit.

https://twitter.com/Rachael_Swindon/status/1171763943636951040?s=20

This tweet sums up life in the UK right now. Jeremy Corbyn was lambasted for apparently not bowing low enough to the Queen, but Boris Johnson can lie to her and get away with it? I am looking forward to the headlines of the newspapers tomorrow to see how they are covering this story.

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