Gardai giving out personal info?

TheBoyConor · 05-09-2019 4:53pm

I will get to the point again op...... What result do you want here? What do you want to happen?

Do you want someone sacked or demoted in their job?
Do you want the cold caller brought up for intimidation or some other offence?
Do you want a big juicy compensation for your trouble?

All three will involve, to a greater or lesser degree, solicitors, barristers, big investigations, statements of various kinds and a few days in court probably.

Or what is it you want?
Maybe you just want to crib and moan about it, I dunno.

05-09-2019 4:56pm

TheBoyConor wrote: »

They explain it the same way as the fella in eFlow or DVLS.

" Oh I don't remember accessing that one. Sure I access hundreds of records every week. Occasionally I might make a typo in a search and the wrong one would come up. I don't recall whether that happened with this one"

"And no, I don't know Mr Cold Caller. Never heard of him at all"

Do you think a public servant is going to be sacked grin their job for something that cannot be proven assist them?

man the state of you.

if an IT system audit record shows up a user having looked up a record at or around the time of a complaint, and that user is not going to sweet talk their way out of some form of reasonably serious disciplinary action.

"oh my fingers slipped" and that's that? ya youre some expert on internal processes id say

TheBoyConor · 05-09-2019 5:06pm

I'm not an IT expert by any means but I know the way the world works. Ireland especially.

Sure, they might prove you accessed a record or saw it.
But they'll have no proof that you passed it onto to some guy you never heard of who never asked you for it, who just happens to live in the same city as you. So there's no data breach proven in hard facts. Because there's no email or text from you to this guy with the phone number. ( Because in reality you told it to him in the pub at the weekend while drinking 45 pints).

And do you think a Garda or any public servant would be sacked over that? Go on out of it man.

Lookit, of course it'll be obvious to everyone that a favour was done. But nothing is provable beyond that you saw a record. But sure if you are an office clerk you already looked at probably several hundred or even thousands of records that week. Mistakes happen occasionally. Coincidences happen occasionally.

There it is, a reasonable doubt has been established Mr Justice. Case dismissed.

Victor · 05-09-2019 5:09pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Why were you taking photos of/near his “business”?

Ever hear of Google Street View?

ILoveYourVibes · 05-09-2019 5:33pm

Kenny Logins wrote: »

Clamper? Not sure who else would have access to that info.

Clamping companies are privately run and some are very dodgy.

ILoveYourVibes · 05-09-2019 5:34pm

OP are you a PI or do you work for a lawyer or insurance company etc?

TheChizler · 05-09-2019 5:52pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

OP are you a PI or do you work for a lawyer or insurance company etc?

Does it matter?

FishOnABike · 05-09-2019 6:22pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Rule number 6 is that tyre allowed access/use my data:

"In the legitimate interests of a company/organisation (except where those interests contradict or harm the interests or rights and freedoms of the individual)"

Wonder could that be a defence.

I'll ring him again in a short while, and if I get nowhere, I'll go down the route of a data complaint I suppose.

That would only apply to the company/organisation that had your data. for example if the NCTS had your car registrantion, your name and your phone number they could only use it for the purpose for which it was obtained i.e. for the administration of your NCT. Using it for anything else and disclosing it to a third party would be a definate breach of data protection regulations.

skooterblue2 · 05-09-2019 7:31pm

TheBoyConor wrote: »

All a Garda has to say is, oh I was looking for a different file, I must've made a typo in the search bar and his I've came up.

When a Garda does that sort of thing, they never do it themselves. They always get someone else to do it. It stops the dots getting connected. A Garda will never rat out another garda and if by some miracle it ever did happen they would suffer the same fate as Maurice McCabe.

skooterblue2 · 05-09-2019 7:34pm

TheBoyConor wrote: »

I'm not an IT expert by any means but I know the way the world works. Ireland especially.

Lookit, of course it'll be obvious to everyone that a favour was done. But nothing is provable beyond that you saw a record. But sure if you are an office clerk you already looked at probably several hundred or even thousands of records that week. Mistakes happen occasionally. Coincidences happen occasionally.

There it is, a reasonable doubt has been established Mr Justice. Case dismissed.

I bet it happens the whole time, but it is done in a way that the dots will never be connected.

skooterblue2 · 05-09-2019 7:51pm

Victor wrote: »

Ever hear of Google Street View?

That only gives you a view when it was taken. That isnt updated in real time? Its obvious that he was photographing a moving object (Person, car, meeting, activity).

Nickla · 05-09-2019 7:56pm

were you flying a drone? - is the drone registered?, www.iaa.ie has a list of drone operators with their contact numbers and location. The business owner could have narrowed down his search using your car registration.

Hotblack Desiato · 05-09-2019 7:59pm

Does anyone bother reading threads before hitting Reply any more?

TheBoyConor · 05-09-2019 8:06pm

TheBoyConor wrote: »

I will get to the point again op...... What result do you want here? What do you want to happen?

Do you want someone sacked or demoted in their job?
Do you want the cold caller brought up for intimidation or some other offence?
Do you want a big juicy compensation for your trouble?

All three will involve, to a greater or lesser degree, solicitors, barristers, big investigations, statements of various kinds and a few days in court probably.

Or what is it you want?
Maybe you just want to crib and moan about it, I dunno.

Up, since you haven't answered the questions, I will all again.
What result do you actually want here?
What do you want to happen?

Are you out to get your hands on some compensation, or are you trying to prove done kind of point?

Be aware, if you are out to prove a point and you are from this area and live here, you know people talk. You'll get a reputation and be known as "that bollox who brought a fella to court over ringing him".

Do you really want that hanging over you for the rest of your life ?
A negative reputation is quickly gotten but is an awful lot harder to shake off believe you me. Do you want that in your life just because you wanted to prove some point under gdpr law? And all for something as stupid as a freaking phone number?

Imagine you applied for a job locally and the hiring manager sees your CV and says to himself, "well fook that, I heard what he did to Tommy below over a phone call. he's is a pure snake, he'd report his own mother to the Guards I'd say that fella". and throw your CV in the bin.

If you reside and live in this area you need to think smart here. Is all this hassle really worth the potential consequences over something as simple as a fooking phone call?
Fair enough if it was your bank details or details of your will were leaked or something. But Jesus, a phone call?

TheBoyConor · 05-09-2019 8:12pm

And what if you go making gdpr complaints and accusing the gardai and this business man of all this data breach stuff, and then it turns out he did in fact get the number off his sister who is friends with some fella you know? Or he just got it off of club website or done deal ad cos he recognised the car or something? Or some other innocent method.

You're going to look some gobshíte then. And be aware, people talk and gossip about this kind thing. And gossip travels fast in places. And it often gets legs and embellishments too. Do you really want to start off that drama over a phone number?

TheChizler · 05-09-2019 8:17pm

Ffs, twice its been said they're not from the area

TheBoyConor · 05-09-2019 8:20pm

Ireland is a small place.

And he'll still look like a pure eejit if the guy proves he got the number through lawful means.

Gregor Samsa · 05-09-2019 8:32pm

skooterblue2 wrote: »

When a Garda does that sort of thing, they never do it themselves. They always get someone else to do it. It stops the dots getting connected.

You keep saying this, but it makes no sense. Why would getting another Garda to look up the records help in any way? It’s against the regulations for a Garda to look up records in Pulse that aren’t connected to a crime they’re investigating. Why would Garda 2 do it for Garda 1, when Garda 2 will face the consequences if caught. The mere act of accessing the records is a disciplinary matter in itself,

This is from 2017. average of 10 Gardaí a year formally investigated for it (which doesn’t count the ones given an informal warning).

https://www.thejournal.ie/snooping-on-pulse-nine-gardai-facing-disciplinary-action-for-misuse-of-the-system-3539090-Aug2017/

One of the 2017 cases: Fired and three grand fine

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/district-court/garda-convicted-for-illegally-accessing-pulse-system-1.3170089

There’s another article from March this year that says there’s 19 breaches of the rules of Pulse access being investigated in the GS relating to the previous 14 months.

mickdw · 05-09-2019 8:32pm

I think in this case, the hunter was hunted and does not like it.
Time to up your game KKV.

05-09-2019 8:38pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

No! He’s legally allowed spy on people. Anyone spying on him is “wrong” and needs to be punished. They cheated.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

05-09-2019 8:39pm

mickdw wrote: »

I think in this case, the hunter was hunted and does not like it.
Time to up your game KKV.

You'd think if he was a good enough spy, that he wouldn't need AH to figure it out for him.

OP- what's your company name? I'd like to block you from my list of spy companies.

Allinall · 05-09-2019 8:54pm

skooterblue2 wrote: »

That only gives you a view when it was taken. That isnt updated in real time? Its obvious that he was photographing a moving object (Person, car, meeting, activity).

Is it?

riclad · 05-09-2019 9:12pm

If you are curious about how this person got your no it could be
someone who works for a phone company,
or someone at any customer service where the staff has acess to customer data .
i Doubt very much if the gardai have everyone ,s phone no ,
it,s impossible ,
i can buy a mobile phone and get a prepay sim card .
Without giving my name or adress .
Or i can say my name is joe bloggs,
they want to sell phone,s , unless you are signing up for a
12 month contract they are unlikely to ask for any id, or banking account
data .
i,m not saying it,s legal,
it,s certainly true that cops in the states have been known
to look up data on women who they were dating ,
probably to see if the have a criminal record .
Theres no private company with 1000,s of employee,s
where every person is perfect and where they all follow the rules
all the time .
if a person working for a telecom company was caught ,acessing personal customer data for no good reason, and giving
out personal data to random persons they would be sacked.
If you have a landline you may have given that no out to many private companys ,
for various reasons ,for instance , to arrange an appointment to get cable tv or sky tv installed .
the gardai could get acess to a person,s phone no, using a court order,
If they were investigating someone as a suspect in a criminal act.

80j2lc5y7u6qs9 · 05-09-2019 9:17pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Hi folks.

Unsure if this is the correct place to post this. Mods can feel free to move it to anywhere better suited.

Pretty much, I do a bit of work around the place, often involving taking photos of property, landmarks, historical sites etc.

Anyway I got a phone call today off someone who wanted to know what I was taking photos of near his business. Which is grand in itself.

However, he addressed me by my full name, obviously had my phone number to ring me, and he said he got these details 'from a friend', as he seen me on cctv and had my car reg plate.

He was polite, and I was polite with him in return. After the call ended, I rang the local (to him) garda station, who were adamant they'd never give out personal details.

But I can't imagine any other way of getting my details?

My car is a plain private car (ie not a commercial van with branding or information on it).

I asked the Garda was there anything I could do to figure it out and they pretty much just said no. Which seems odd.

Anyone been in a similar situation before? Unsure how to proceed. Not happy with my info being handed over to someone (especially as my line of work would sometimes take me to malicious people).

if your line of work would sometimes take you to malicious people why are you not prepared for such circumstances? and why are you photographing place of potentially malicious people without such preparation?

skooterblue2 · 05-09-2019 9:21pm

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

You keep saying this, but it makes no sense. Why would getting another Garda to look up the records help in any way? It’s against the regulations for a Garda to look up records in Pulse that aren’t connected to a crime they’re investigating. Why would Garda 2 do it for Garda 1, when Garda 2 will face the consequences if caught. The mere act of accessing the records is a disciplinary matter in itself,

This is from 2017. average of 10 Gardaí a year formally investigated for it (which doesn’t count the ones given an informal warning).

https://www.thejournal.ie/snooping-on-pulse-nine-gardai-facing-disciplinary-action-for-misuse-of-the-system-3539090-Aug2017/

One of the 2017 cases: Fired and three grand fine

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/district-court/garda-convicted-for-illegally-accessing-pulse-system-1.3170089

There’s another article from March this year that says there’s 19 breaches of the rules of Pulse access being investigated in the GS relating to the previous 14 months.

10 cases? Those are chicken feed number. I bet the real illegal enquiry numbers are much higher. For the to be an investigation there has to be a complaint. I have no legal qualification (I tend not to bother the law and it doesn't bother me), I have no idea how to bring a complaint to the garda ombudsman or to initiate an enquiry about a complaint. I doubt many ordinary people would even if they did, what would the consequences be? These breaches of Data Protection are going on alright.

I have no quarrel with AGS but would I trust one? Absolutely not in the face of what has gone on in the past in the media and stories I have heard.

mickdw · 05-09-2019 9:26pm

Just to prove what is out there about everyone,
I bet I could have KKVs full name, address, phone number etc is 5 mins and I wouldn't be asking the gardai either.

Wouldn't publish obviously

odyssey06 · 05-09-2019 9:30pm

mickdw wrote: »

Just to prove what is out there about everyone,
I bet I could have KKVs full name, address, phone number etc is 5 mins and I wouldn't be asking the gardai either.
Wouldn't publish obviously

Based on their car reg, cctv of their face and the use of drones?
Or based on their boards posting history?

Has to be the former.

Atlantic Dawn · 05-09-2019 9:31pm

Shocking crooked country where people in power use private data like it's Facebook and not a thing ever done about it.

I'd report the mobile number to GSOC and say you suspect interactions from Gardai.

Atlantic Dawn · 05-09-2019 9:33pm

mickdw wrote: »

Just to prove what is out there about everyone,
I bet I could have KKVs full name, address, phone number etc is 5 mins and I wouldn't be asking the gardai either.

Wouldn't publish obviously

But from his car reg?

mickdw · 05-09-2019 9:35pm

Only having a bit of fun but still fairly lax considering his work!

Reati · 05-09-2019 9:38pm

ElectronVolt wrote: »

Was the drone over public or private property ... ?
Big difference between overflying someone's home / business at close proximity and just taking photography in the street / a genuine public space.

They are very distinct rules for drone operations and home / business isn't a one of them.

Though if the OP operated from a private carpark of the person he's pissed off then he has civil trespassing as a come back to worry about. You need to get permission to operate a drone from private property. If it was inside a town then there a bunch of other issues.

Edit. Also to add, I've flown drones for years in pretty public places (with correct permits). I guessed from the way of the first post there was a drone involved. Only once has someone came over and asked me what is going on. I still think the business person had reason to suspect the OP for something, hence the reaction.

riclad · 05-09-2019 9:50pm

Its easy to get info on a family in ireland,and most country,
since people post so much info on facebook ,instagram, social media websites.
See recent facebook leak, 1000,s of names with personal info including
phone no,s /

Atlantic Dawn · 05-09-2019 9:51pm

riclad wrote: »

Its easy to get info on a family in ireland,and most country,
since people post so much info on facebook ,instagram, social media websites.
See recent facebook leak, 1000,s of names with personal info including
phone no,s /

From a car reg on demand?

HBC08 · 05-09-2019 9:54pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Hi folks.

Unsure if this is the correct place to post this. Mods can feel free to move it to anywhere better suited.

Pretty much, I do a bit of work around the place, often involving taking photos of property, landmarks, historical sites etc.

Anyway I got a phone call today off someone who wanted to know what I was taking photos of near his business. Which is grand in itself.

However, he addressed me by my full name, obviously had my phone number to ring me, and he said he got these details 'from a friend', as he seen me on cctv and had my car reg plate.

He was polite, and I was polite with him in return. After the call ended, I rang the local (to him) garda station, who were adamant they'd never give out personal details.

But I can't imagine any other way of getting my details?

My car is a plain private car (ie not a commercial van with branding or information on it).

I asked the Garda was there anything I could do to figure it out and they pretty much just said no. Which seems odd.

Anyone been in a similar situation before? Unsure how to proceed. Not happy with my info being handed over to someone (especially as my line of work would sometimes take me to malicious people).

No point ringing the Garda Station nearest you as the guy could have got your details from a garda friend of his anywhere in the country, all he needed was your reg.I have a mate in the gards and he has done this for me a couple of times over the years.

Edit, I don't know how he got your num though.

05-09-2019 9:56pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Why were you taking photos of/near his “business”?

There's always one on boards...:-S

Atlantic Dawn · 05-09-2019 9:59pm

HBC08 wrote: »

No point ringing the Garda Station nearest you as the guy could have got your details from a garda friend of his anywhere in the country, all he needed was your reg.I have a mate in the gards and he has done this for me a couple of times over the years.

Edit, I don't know how he got your num though.

Car ownership details are usually merged with your PPS number, you will never get your logbook sent to an address not matching with your PPS, the mobile number is also captured at change or ownership or linked in with other state services.

Your Garda mate if he was employed in any other country in the EU would be risking his career releasing that information.

juice1304 · 05-09-2019 10:02pm

Make a complaint, When the gardai log into the pulse system which is where all your information is going to be they have to log in with their own user id. If someone looked at your information they can see who it was..

cj maxx · 05-09-2019 10:03pm

Whatever about who/ how from whom they got his number I'm glad they did . Either you were to no good like casing the joint or working on a forcloser issue either way your a fcuking clown for getting caught so easily then posting on boards for sympathy or more insidious reasons . FO OP

HBC08 · 05-09-2019 10:04pm

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Have you provided the guards with your name/address previously? I doubt very much if anyone was that stupid because if they do have your details on file then their computer systems record every time they're accessed.

You can make a FOI application for all details they hold on you and specify that you want details on when and where your details were accessed too.

Or you could ring the person back, ask him who provided him with your details and if he refuses tell him you are reporting it to the gardai and asking them to look in to it. It might spur him into revealing his source otherwise he could be getting them in a load of trouble.

Whilst you're technically correct there is zero chance of this happening in real life.

HBC08 · 05-09-2019 10:07pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Car ownership details are usually merged with your PPS number, you will never get your logbook sent to an address not matching with your PPS, the mobile number is also captured at change or ownership or linked in with other state services.

Your Garda mate if he was employed in any other country in the EU would be risking his career releasing that information.

Sure I know that and so does he, but it WAS in Ireland.

Atlantic Dawn · 05-09-2019 10:08pm

HBC08 wrote: »

Whilst you're technically correct there is zero chance of this happening in real life.

It's like the implementation of the penalty points system it's open to abuse by crooked and incompetent Gardai not qualified to review the Police Academy movies.

kerry cow · 05-09-2019 10:24pm

so the OP who fancies himself as a PI while scouting his target was in fact blind sided by his target and now is pissing in his seat with the fact that he was caught with his pance down .should be carefully who you peep on cause they could come looking for you , never know who knows who , or who you may be messing with ,
that's why I.like to mind my own business , pal .

cj maxx · 05-09-2019 10:27pm

kerry cow wrote: »

so the OP who fancies himself as a PI while scouting his target was in fact blind sided by his target and now is pissing in his seat with the fact that he was caught with his pance down .should be carefully who you peep on cause they could come looking for you , never know who knows who , or who you may be messing with ,
that's why I.like to mind my own business , pal .

Well said Kerry

Atlantic Dawn · 05-09-2019 10:34pm

kerry cow wrote: »

so the OP who fancies himself as a PI while scouting his target was in fact blind sided by his target and now is pissing in his seat with the fact that he was caught with his pance down .should be carefully who you peep on cause they could come looking for you , never know who knows who , or who you may be messing with ,
that's why I.like to mind my own business , pal .

And in a normal country he would have been reported to Police and they would investigate and where necessary prosecute, but in Ireland no they give out his details to someone else who could potentially do all sorts with the information given, banana republic kip.

The Satanist · 05-09-2019 10:35pm

I'd guess the caller was either ex-Garda or in the insurance industry. Many of us willingly enter our phone number and reg looking for a cheaper quote.

billie1b · 05-09-2019 10:36pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Car ownership details are usually merged with your PPS number, you will never get your logbook sent to an address not matching with your PPS, the mobile number is also captured at change or ownership or linked in with other state services.

Your Garda mate if he was employed in any other country in the EU would be risking his career releasing that information.

My car is registered under a different name and address to me, an address i’m not linked to, i’ve never once provided my PPS number to the DOT either as they don’t need it. To add also, all state agencies/services are not linked due to data protection, the revenue, hse and social welfare etc have been trying for years to get linked systems but can’t get around the data protection issues.

Atlantic Dawn · 05-09-2019 10:37pm

The Satanist wrote: »

I'd guess the caller was either ex-Garda or in the insurance industry. Many of us willingly enter our phone number and reg looking for a cheaper quote.

Unlikely anyone employed in the insurance company would risk their career for that as they would be sacked on the spot if it was exposed and their company fined loads.

riffmongous · 05-09-2019 10:40pm

tayto lover wrote: »

For what purpose would he intimidate anyone?

I think lads are losing the run of themselves.

Like I said, it can be unintended too

Atlantic Dawn · 05-09-2019 10:40pm

billie1b wrote: »

My car is registered under a different name and address to me, an address i’m not linked to, i’ve never once provided my PPS number to the DOT either as they don’t need it. To add also, all state agencies/services are not linked due to data protection, the revenue, hse and social welfare etc have been trying for years to get linked systems but can’t get around the data protection issues.

Your insurance is then not valid.

Additionally read this...
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/why-were-my-car-registration-details-in-a-database-used-by-welfare-1.3203933

skooterblue2 · 05-09-2019 10:43pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Unlikely anyone employed in the insurance company would risk their career for that as they would be sacked on the spot if it was exposed and their company fined loads.

You find the right guy with a gambling addiction, grudge against the company, get him a honey pot and he will get you anything you ask for. One lad with a gambling addiction in the Social Welfare office in Donegal was giving details to a debt collector........ gospel. Lost a permanent pensionable job in the backs of beyond where jobs are hard to comeby.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/civil-servant-jailed-for-a-year-for-selling-social-welfare-records-1.3369567

Gardai giving out personal info?

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