Formula 1 2019 - General Discussion Thread

Cork Trucker · 29-08-2019 01:18PM

flazio wrote: »

It's all going on today.
Hulkenberg and Magnussen together in a team? Hope Steiner has good heart medication.

I'm rubbing my hands with glee at the prospect of this one kicking off

El_Duderino 09 · 29-08-2019 01:20PM

flazio wrote: »

It's all going on today.
Hulkenberg and Magnussen together in a team? Hope Steiner has good heart medication.

Can hardly be worse than the current lineup.

Apart from the "suck my such and such, honey" incident, do we know how they get on?

Cork Trucker · 29-08-2019 01:20PM

OSI wrote: »

Ocon is taking Hulkenberg's seat at Renault :eek:

Seems so

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/motor-racing/formula1/esteban-ocon-joins-renault-f1-2020-replaces-nico-hulkenberg-driver-line-up-grid-daniel-ricciardo-a9083661.html

Cork Trucker · 29-08-2019 01:22PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Can hardly be worse than the current lineup.

Apart from the "suck my such and such, honey" incident, do we know how they get on?

Magnussen admitted they aren't friends but says he respects Hulkenberg, it's the media who are fanning the flames apparently.

skipper_G · 29-08-2019 01:55PM

Bottas won't rock the boat, still don't think he's good enough to get near Hamilton. And another 1 year deal suggests the team have about the same level of confidence.

Ocon back on the grid, his fight vs Ricciardo will be closely watched by many.

Hulk is the way to go for Haas surely, anyone would be better than Grosjean at this stage.

H3llR4iser · 29-08-2019 02:41PM

flazio wrote: »

It's all going on today.
Hulkenberg and Magnussen together in a team? Hope Steiner has good heart medication.

skipper_G wrote: »

Bottas won't rock the boat, still don't think he's good enough to get near Hamilton. And another 1 year deal suggests the team have about the same level of confidence.

Ocon back on the grid, his fight vs Ricciardo will be closely watched by many.

Hulk is the way to go for Haas surely, anyone would be better than Grosjean at this stage.

Maybe it's far fetched, but I wouldn't be too surprised if Hulkenberg goes to HAAS to partner Grosjean; Magnussen can occasionally be fast, but has proven to be as dumb as bloody soup, often preferring to trash the car rather than give up a position and still bring points home. For a developing midfield team, a driver with good feedback to the engineers (and Grosjean proved to be very capable at that time and again - it's been two seasons in a row it was him to figure out development was going the wrong direction) might be preferable to one who can occasionally haul lots of points, but be pretty much useless otherwise.

Then again, maybe The Hulk won't go to HAAS at all, plenty might depend on what Alfa want to do with Giovinazzi (they should be clear 5th in the WCC, but are struggling against TR and RP because only Kimi brings the goods), not to mention Red Bull and Toro Rosso with their now frankly crazy driver situation.

Mercedes - they had no option really, they want somebody with little ambition and who doesn't come anywhere near Hamilton for 2020, but can still bring heaps of points and the occasional race wins. Nobody better than Bottas for that role, right now. They'll be waiting for Hamilton's decision about 2021, with an eye kept on Verstappen...

Cork Trucker · 29-08-2019 02:43PM

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Maybe it's far fetched, but I wouldn't be too surprised if Hulkenberg goes to HAAS to partner Grosjean

Magnussen has a contract for 2020 which Steiner said the team will honour, Grosjean is out of contract this year.

H3llR4iser · 29-08-2019 02:52PM

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Magnussen has a contract for 2020 which Steiner said the team will honour, Grosjean is out of contract this year.

True, but stranger things have happened, and probably won't happen, but I wouldn't be sad should Magnussen go somewhere else. Formula E, with its "love the sound of carbon fibre shattering at turn 1" racing approach, would be a perfect fit for a brain dead doofus hardcore racer like KM

pjohnson · 29-08-2019 02:59PM

Yeah Grosjeans age + contract situation means he had no chance of keeping the seat. Wouldnt be suprised if he rocks up at Ferrari for 2020. Hartley has a very busy 2020 ahead of him so may be let go.

Frank Bullitt · 29-08-2019 05:30PM

I think Haas have been very patient with Grosjean to this point. A change would probably be good for both parties.

AMKC · 29-08-2019 06:48PM

Sad to see Renault letting go of Hulkinberg but at least he gets to finish the year and might have a drive next year. I agree that going to HAAS looks like the only real option and think a year out for Grosjean might do him good.
Just hope Hulkinberg can get a podium somewhere before then or he might have the longest career with no podium in F1 history.

patmahe · 29-08-2019 06:54PM

I think if Hulkenberg, takes a year out of F1, he's going to find it very hard to come back, personally I'd be doing my best to get the Sauber drive as a back door into Ferrari for 2021.

El_Duderino 09 · 29-08-2019 11:05PM

patmahe wrote: »

I think if Hulkenberg, takes a year out of F1, he's going to find it very hard to come back, personally I'd be doing my best to get the Sauber drive as a back door into Ferrari for 2021.

Why would anyone bother to get him back if he had a year out? He’s grand but he’ll never be very good. It would be much more interesting to get a young driver who might have potential in the future. Hulk has had years and years of experience and we know how good he is... ok and relatively reliable.

It’s not about whether he has a podium or a win. Those are interesting stats but they don’t tell much of the story.years of driving in f1 and never being one of the top drivers is the real story.

Frank Bullitt · 29-08-2019 11:10PM

I'd see Hulkenberg as an asset to any team really. Haas would be a decent fit for him at this point in his career.

I do hope he sticks around.

El_Duderino 09 · 29-08-2019 11:17PM

Gintonious wrote: »

I'd see Hulkenberg as an asset to any team really. Haas would be a decent fit for him at this point in his career.

I do hope he sticks around.

That would depend on what other assets a team has. He’s not an asset to Renault because of the opportunity cost of missing out on Ocon. He’s also probably only an asset to haas and Williams. All the other teams have development drivers who might be better than ok.

haas is a customer team and is likely to be a backward step for hulk. Probably appropriate as he isn’t a top driver and shouldn’t really be in a top team.

I think hulk is likely to fall into the nostalgia driver category where he’s not really producing the goods but people would still keep him around because he’s probably a good lad. A similar thing thing is happening with Rory Best in the Ireland rugby team. And does anyone remember Button? Long past producing good performances and people wee still reluctant to let him drop off the grid.

Hulk is grand and probably a good lad. Bit that’s probably not enough to be in F1.

mickdw · 29-08-2019 11:46PM

I believe Hulk is still excellent.
He was hardly being shamed by Ricciardo.
There should be plenty interest in him.

Charlie-Bravo · 30-08-2019 12:09AM

I'm watching pre-race Paddock Pass, and I'm getting an inkling that Perez is talking with Haas, and that Hulk could take the loose seat at Racing •.

El_Duderino 09 · 30-08-2019 08:30AM

mickdw wrote: »

I believe Hulk is still excellent.
He was hardly being shamed by Ricciardo.
There should be plenty interest in him.

Interest by who? I can only think of Williams and Haas who might be looking for drivers. He’s hardly good enough for any of the top teams and he’s being replaced by a child with little experience and lots of potential.

I think excellent is pushing it. He’s not being shamed by Ric but he is being beaten by him in all the metrics.

https://www.racing-statistics.com/en/drivers/compare

flazio · 30-08-2019 08:39AM

BBC made an interesting point in their podcast. If Albon doesn't perform well in the Red Bull for the rest of the season, then Hulkenberg might be the best available to fill that seat.

Harika · 30-08-2019 08:47AM

Williams will be Latifi with someone, very likely Russell if he can't move up the grid.
Sauber Kimi and open seat as giovanazzi disappointed but on the other hand, Ferrari is loyal to loyal drivers
Racing point Stroll is set, Perez might move on but are there better cockpits?
Haas is set to replace grosjean
Toro rosso looking to get a Japanese driver in, just no talent in sight
Red bull will have a shoot out for the second driver. Number two will go to tr
All might be shaken with a surprise retirement of vettel

El_Duderino 09 · 30-08-2019 08:52AM

flazio wrote: »

BBC made an interesting point in their podcast. If Albon doesn't perform well in the Red Bull for the rest of the season, then Hulkenberg might be the best available to fill that seat.

I’d doubt it. But there will be a few points of data to work from. They will have to see how Albion and Gasley perform against both max and kvyat. If they both look good against kvyat and terrible against max, then the car is probably the problem. It might be developed too specifically for Max.

In any case, hulk might be a good fit for RB like he might be a good fit for merc or Ferrari. But it’s highly unlikely to happen. The best fit, furthest up the grid was Renault and he’s being replaced at Renault. Sooooo....

In all fairness, I’d say it’s about right. If you take nostalgia and likability out of the equation, he becomes an alright driver, but not very good. He’s had plenty of seasons and I think it’s hard to point to many extraordinary things he’s done. Being reliably OK is probably his best attribute.

Harika · 30-08-2019 08:55AM

flazio wrote: »

BBC made an interesting point in their podcast. If Albon doesn't perform well in the Red Bull for the rest of the season, then Hulkenberg might be the best available to fill that seat.

Red bull promotes from own ranks and have still kyvat, think of the last non red bull junior driver, driving for them. Webber/Coulthard
Also Hulk is 10 years in F1, no podium. Will be a forever talent don't see the point handing him the cockpit.

Cork Trucker · 30-08-2019 09:07AM

Barring a miracle at this point i don't foresee Hulkenberg ever standing on the podium now. Brazil 2012 & Germany 2019 were his best chances and he blew them both.

GarIT · 30-08-2019 11:16AM

Ferrari own the second seat at Alfa. Alfa don't get a say in who gets it.

skipper_G · 30-08-2019 11:51AM

Hulk is a grand talented driver, by F1 standards he is average and not in the top tier of drivers. He's steady and safe, perfect fit for Haas in light of Grosjean's continued propensity for making silly errors and KMag's patchy recklessness.

No way he's in a Red Bull, never in a million years.

AMKC · 30-08-2019 11:53AM

Harika wrote: »

Williams will be Latifi with someone, very likely Russell if he can't move up the grid.
Sauber Kimi and open seat as giovanazzi disappointed but on the other hand, Ferrari is loyal to loyal drivers
Racing point Stroll is set, Perez might move on but are there better cockpits?
Haas is set to replace grosjean
Toro rosso looking to get a Japanese driver in, just no talent in sight
Red bull will have a shoot out for the second driver. Number two will go to tr
All might be shaken with a surprise retirement of vettel

Toro rosso looking to get a Japanese driver in, just no talent in sight

Sure they could get Kamui Kobayashi until there is another Japanese driver ready to race. Be nice to see him back in F1 again.

Cork Trucker · 30-08-2019 12:00PM

AMKC wrote: »

Toro rosso looking to get a Japanese driver in, just no talent in sight

Sure they could get Kamui Kobayashi until there is another Japanese driver ready to race. Be nice to see him back in F1 again.

I wonder will Helmut Marko or Honda pick up the phone and offer the drive to Yuji Ide, just don't mention Christijan Albers :pac::pac::pac:

pjohnson · 30-08-2019 12:08PM

If Giovinazzi goes I can only imagine Wehrlein taking over. Mick Schumacher isn't ready and there no one else in the Ferrari stable to take an F1 drive next year.

El_Duderino 09 · 30-08-2019 12:30PM

AMKC wrote: »

Toro rosso looking to get a Japanese driver in, just no talent in sight

Sure they could get Kamui Kobayashi until there is another Japanese driver ready to race. Be nice to see him back in F1 again.

If imagine they want a prospect rather than a photo opportunity. I'd imagine it will be a young driverif it happens.

pjohnson · 30-08-2019 12:35PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

If imagine they want a prospect rather than a photo opportunity. I'd imagine it will be a young driverif it happens.

Do you happen to like any driver over 30?

They are giving FP1 in Japan to Naoki Yamamoto (31 year old) anyway this year so thats a photo opportunity rather than young driver.

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