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Violent Protests In Hong Kong.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭Kimsang


    greencap wrote: »

    1c2s is changing to 1c1s.

    and theres absolutely nothing you can do about it. :pac:

    If this happens, China is not just shooting itself in the foot, but blowing an entire half of it's body off. China's economy would just about collapse and a world wide recession wouldn't be far behind. People in HK know this, and they know sending in PLA is an empty threat.

    Honest question, would you call yourself a communist? or a marxist?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Kimsang wrote: »
    If this happens, China is not just shooting itself in the foot, but blowing an entire half of it's body off. China's economy would just about collapse and a world wide recession wouldn't be far behind. People in HK know this, and they know sending in PLA is an empty threat.


    I think this is why we're seeing the shrill and obnoxious embassy astroturfed protests in Western cities. I genuinely believe that if the CCP thought intervention could be done without drawing the scorn of the entire world on them, they would have done so weeks ago.

    The sound of the 'pro-police' (re: ultra-nationalist) counter-protestors in London, Dublin, Sydney etc, is the howl of indignation at the realisation that the CCP will be held accountable in this situation outside of the borders of the PRC. They are unchallenged within their own borders, and get very angry indeed that they can't act with impunity.

    There's also the burning anger of the sight of ethnic Chinese, nominally within their sovereign territory, openly defying them in huge numbers. It's a massive reality check for them on a number of levels, and they don't like it one bit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,052 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    I can't really understand the protests, it's part of China since GB gave it back in 1997, anyone living there who had a problem with that concept should have fooked out clear of the place.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    Kimsang wrote: »
    If this happens, China is not just shooting itself in the foot, but blowing an entire half of it's body off. China's economy would just about collapse and a world wide recession wouldn't be far behind. People in HK know this, and they know sending in PLA is an empty threat.

    Honest question, would you call yourself a communist? or a marxist?

    No, neither.

    Its not about who has the better regime, or more success, or a more humane track record.

    This is ONE country, and its under no obligation to obey some old nonsense compromise signed with colonial thieves and that cnt Thatcher.

    Those people in that one territory, which is a constituent part of the nation, have no right to dictate separate rules for themselves. To elect to take or dictate rules in a chunk of China.

    And no, HK constitutes around 2% of China's economy at this point, after a long consistent downward trajectory.

    When I look at Beijing something tells me that they'll manage. They may possibly have planned ahead.
    No need to send in the PLA, they've been re-organizing the corporate/economic environment. Money talks. Slow and steady. Whats a couple of months when you've strategically waited for decades.

    Finally to end my rant I'd like to point out that for China to wait til 2047 would send out a message of compliance, obedience. Ikkle China doing what its told.

    I believe China fully intends not only to defy the terms of Thatchers agreement (which they shouldn't have even had to sign in the first place), but also wants the whole world to see them wipe their knob on the agreement.

    Something they absolutely should do.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    I can't really understand the protests, it's part of China since GB gave it back in 1997, anyone living there who had a problem with that concept should have fooked out clear of the place.

    Oh thank god.

    I thought I'd been transported to bizarro world for a minute there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭Kimsang


    I can't really understand the protests, it's part of China since GB gave it back in 1997, anyone living there who had a problem with that concept should have fooked out clear of the place.

    They weren't allowed. Under the two party system they were allowed to live in the UK a maximum of 6 months out of the year I believe. Where else could they legally emigrate to? Perhaps if they had left between 1984 when it was announced and before 1997 when these rules were first implemented. But what about people born after 1997? They are now 22 maximum, or anyone who was a child at this time could now be anything up to 30 years old. It has been noted how many young protestors there are. They have no choice.

    Knowing this would you please withdraw the comment that they 'should have fooked out clear of the place'?

    I believe the 6 months stipulation was advocated by China, to prevent the very exodus of which you speak.

    Communist countries have walls at their borders not to keep people out, but to keep people in. I hope that scares you. That should scare you. It scares me.


  • Posts: 8,647 [Deleted User]


    greencap wrote: »
    It means you go on like an excitable gossiping schoolgirl.

    F.O. clown.

    You are a cheeky little propagandist.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    You are a cheeky little propagandist.

    Did you not read the mod warning about the cards.

    Theres no more time for such shtposts. Take your personal opinions and sho...


  • Posts: 8,647 [Deleted User]


    greencap wrote: »
    Did you not read the mod warning about the cards.

    Theres no more time for such shtposts. Take your personal opinions and sho...

    Well your opinion is blatantly wrong. The people of Hong Kong have been doing sterling work. I would ****ing hate to be under the rule of a low life mass murderer like Winnie the Pooh (Xi). The creeping fascism in China is very concerning.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    Well your opinion is blatantly wrong. The people of Hong Kong have been doing sterling work. I would ****ing hate to be under the rule of a low life mass murderer like Winnie the Pooh (Xi). The creeping fascism in China is very concerning.

    Right. So because you would ****ing hate to be under the rule of a low life mass murderer like Winnie the Pooh, and because the creeping fascism in China is very concerning that makes Chinas territorial and political claim to land on its coast void.

    Sorry China. The Dazzler from boards has decided that you dont get to say how your own country is run because you're not up to Dazzlers 2am standards.


  • Posts: 8,647 [Deleted User]


    greencap wrote: »
    Right. So because you would ****ing hate to be under the rule of a low life mass murderer like Winnie the Pooh, and because the creeping fascism in China is very concerning that makes Chinas territorial and political claim to land on its coast void.

    Sorry China. The Dazzler from boards has decided that you dont get to say how your own country is run because you're not up to Dazzlers 2am standards.
    I'm sure China would like to have the west turn a blind eye whilst they crush the Hong Kong people. You are a GREAT cheeky monkey for the homeland:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,052 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    Kimsang wrote: »
    They weren't allowed. Under the two party system they were allowed to live in the UK a maximum of 6 months out of the year I believe. Where else could they legally emigrate to?


    A flight to Oireland or UK and dump their passport in the toilet en route, easy fix or just fly in to either country and declare yourself as a fella fellaette not finding HK cool anymore or play any type of 100 plus discrimination cards that will get you in to the EU.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭Kimsang


    greencap wrote: »
    And no, HK constitutes around 2% of China's economy at this point, after a long consistent downward trajectory.

    I think you have made your position pretty clear, and there's no changing your mind because of... history... but I implore you to think about people under 30 years old in Hong Kong who have never known anything but freedom, wealth and safety now being threatened by a communist regime, they never had a choice to leave.

    Your point about HKs contribution to China's economy is moot considering that's largely how money flows in and out of China. It literally loses its biggest hub to the outside world.
    The Stock Exchange of Hong Kong is Asia's third-largest in terms of market capitalization behind the Tokyo Stock Exchange and Shanghai Stock Exchange, and the fourth single largest stock market in the world. As of 2018, it has 2,315 listed companies with a combined market capitalization of HK$29.9 trillion.[1] It is reported as the fastest growing stock exchange in Asia.

    Take a look at this list of companies from the HKEX and see how many are Chinese companies there are

    Chinese companies will no longer have a fair stock exchange to funnel money in and out of China.
    Unlike the Hong Kong Stock Exchange, the Shanghai Stock Exchange is still not entirely open to foreign investors and often manipulated by the decisions of the central government. This is due to tight capital account controls exercised by the Chinese mainland authorities.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Stock_Exchange


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    Irish people sitting at home telling ethnically Chinese people in Hong Kong that they don't know what's for their own good, their protests have no valid concern and that they hope the PLA roll in and start a massacre is the worst sort of paternalist, authoritarian nonsense.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭Kimsang


    A flight to Oireland or UK and dump their passport in the toilet en route, easy fix or just fly in to either country and declare yourself as a fella fellaette not finding HK cool anymore or play any type of 100 plus discrimination cards that will get you in to the EU.

    People in Hong Kong are mostly pretty wealthy, and would not put up with nonsense like that. I'm sure they would much prefer to do things legally.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,052 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    Kimsang wrote: »
    People in Hong Kong are mostly pretty wealthy, and would not put up with nonsense like that. I'm sure they would much prefer to do things legally.


    If they have that level of money they should either get out of the place or live by Chinese rules.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    If they have that level of money they should either get out of the place or live by Chinese rules.
    But Hong Kong literally has different rules to China.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    But Hong Kong literally has different rules to China.

    This was new information to him up until a few days ago so it still hasn't sunk in yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    If they have that level of money they should either get out of the place or live by Chinese rules.

    Have you suggested that about people who live in northern Ireland?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    But Hong Kong literally has different rules to China.

    You mean to the rest of China.

    And thats going to change. Sure

    Will it interfere with some peoples lives/plans? Sure.
    Will it be bad for the economy? Yes very probably.

    But these are side issues.
    This land is owned by the Chinese people and govt, how they choose to run it is their choice alone, and shouldnt be ... and wont be... influenced by the preferences of a dead thatcher and a dead empire.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    Yurt! wrote: »
    This was new information to him up until a few days ago so it still hasn't sunk in yet.

    It really wasnt. And again ill remind you, dont try the low road on this one, you cant win.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    I'm sure China would like to have the west turn a blind eye whilst they crush the Hong Kong people. You are a GREAT cheeky monkey for the homeland:)

    Mods... does the constant name calling have to continue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    greencap wrote: »
    It really wasnt. And again ill remind you, dont try the low road on this one, you cant win.

    You were proven in this very thread to have known next to nothing about it.

    Bluffer. Troll. Bully. Authoritarian fetishist obsessed with violence and weaponry.

    "Salty tears" "Boots on necks" high road indeed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    Yurt! wrote: »
    You were proven in this very thread to have known next to nothing about it.

    Bluffer. Troll. Bully. Authoritarian fetishist obsessed with violence and weaponry.

    "Salty tears" "Boots on necks" high road indeed.

    well no, you found one incorrct date and a missing punctuation space.
    then asked me about green hats.

    as with every second person still around today i would have watched the handover on the news back in 97. also lately i watched some videos on the history of hk, and ive been generally aware of the basics of whats going on there for some decades. and of course ive been repeatedly reading about the place in the newspapers/online lately.

    that you might be more interested in the finer details doesnt cancel out the fundamentals.

    btw i found one little detail interesting. Hollywood road was the sort of unofficial/cultural barrier within HK which divided the island in two. One side for the white/europeans/elite and the other side squalid poverty for the serf native chinese/non-whites.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    greencap wrote: »
    well no, you found one incorrct date and a missing punctuation space.
    then asked me about green hats.

    as with every second person still around today i would have watched the handover on the news back in 97. also lately i watched some videos on the history of hk, and ive been generally aware of the basics of whats going on there for some decades. and of course ive been repeatedly reading about the place in the newspapers/online lately.

    that you might be more interested in the finer details doesnt cancel out the fundamentals.

    btw i found one little detail interesting. Hollywood road was the sort of unofficial/cultural barrier within HK which divided the island in two. One side for the white/europeans/elite and the other side squalid poverty for the serf native chinese/non-whites.

    People can read the thread you know. You didn't have a clue about its contents, the context it was negotiated in, the year it was signed, and the fact it's an international treaty deposited at the UN.

    Aye your Latin and spelling is sh*te. Wouldn't have pointed it out only that you were trying to be a smartar*se when you were and are proven to be wrong throughout the whole thread.

    Go look up what to wear a green hat is in Chinese for yourself, for fear you might learn something. Congratulations on your Wikipedia binge btw, I guess it's a start.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    Yurt! wrote: »
    People can read the thread you know. You didn't have a clue about it's contents, the context it was negotiated in, the year it was signed, and the fact it's an international treaty deposited at the UN.

    Aye your Latin and spelling is sh*te. Wouldn't have pointed it out only that you were trying to be a smartar*se when you were and are proven to be wrong throughout the whole thread.

    Go look up what to wear a green hat is in Chinese for yourself, for fear you might learn something. Congratulations on your Wikipedia binge btw, I guess it's a start.

    no i dont think i will thanks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17 Vincent van Gogh


    terribly poor events but so emboldening to witness the bravery of these men and women, boys and girls, to fight such a gargantuan task that is their fight for freedom. they have everything to gain and everything to lose.


  • Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    terribly poor events but so emboldening to witness the bravery of these men and women, boys and girls, to fight such a gargantuan task that is their fight for freedom. they have everything to gain and everything to lose.

    As opposed to the snarky tiresome "contextual commentary" from other goujos and Muppets on this thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    How many Hong Kong people do you know, greencap?

    You talk about the "Chinese people" owning Hong Kong..... it's ethnically Chinese people who are protesting, who don't want increased Mainland control. It's very possible to be against British colonialism, and to support the aims of the protestors in Hong Kong.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    Not if you tolerate a bunch of separatists waving union jack flegs in the local parliament like 'NO SURRENDAR!!' woman.

    PRI_72786655.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=748%2C498&ssl=1


    Cant be havin that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    greencap wrote: »
    btw i found one little detail interesting. Hollywood road was the sort of unofficial/cultural barrier within HK which divided the island in two. One side for the white/europeans/elite and the other side squalid poverty for the serf native chinese/non-whites.
    Hollywood Road as a dividing line? In what way, that everything north of it was "squalid poverty"? What about east and west of Hollywood Road? And when was this supposed to be true until?



    The Brits definitely lived on the Peak and Mid-Levels, yes. But don't see how Hollywood Road could have been "dividing" HK Island in any way.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    Hollywood Road as a dividing line? In what way, that everything north of it was "squalid poverty"? What about east and west of Hollywood Road? And when was this supposed to be true until?



    The Brits definitely lived on the Peak and Mid-Levels, yes. But don't see how Hollywood Road could have been "dividing" HK Island in any way.

    Yes thats right, the British and Europeans occupied the peak and upper areas. Their house on the hill.


    Chinese on the lower tiers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    The content of your posts really implies that you don't know very much about Hong Kong at all; its geography, people or culture.


  • Posts: 8,647 [Deleted User]


    greencap wrote: »
    Not if you tolerate a bunch of separatists waving union jack flegs in the local parliament like 'NO SURRENDAR!!' woman.

    PRI_72786655.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=748%2C498&ssl=1


    Cant be havin that.
    It's more about their rights to have personal freedom. Was Ireland right to rebel against English occupation?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    The content of your posts really implies that you don't know very much about Hong Kong at all; its geography, people or culture.

    I can go through my watch history and find the video that states this if you really want. But you'll have to put something on the line to make your humiliation worth my effort.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    Do what you like. The Peak and mid-levels had rich Brits and colonials. But have a look at the geography of HK yourself; how could Hollywood Road possibly have been "dividing the island"?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    It's more about their rights to have personal freedom. Was Ireland right to rebel against English occupation?

    The two are intertwined.

    I sympathize with their change in regime/lifestyle/environment, but they are on the wrong side of history.

    China has the moral right to wash away the stink of earlier colonialism.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    greencap wrote: »
    The two are intertwined.

    I sympathize with their change in regime/lifestyle/environment, but they are on the wrong side of history.

    China has the moral right to wash away the stink of earlier colonialism.

    Captain History who has never been to Hong Kong (or likely outside his postcode), and knows fanny all about the place here to tell us who's on the right side of history. And it just so happens to be the side that will decimate the independent judiciary, the last remnants of democracy and ancillary freedoms that the natives of the city wish to preserve.

    Because... Brits, some stuff he read on Wikipedia, and a dynamite video timestamp he claims he watched that will say something about Hollywood Road (also a place he's never been and couldn't point to on a map of Hong Kong).

    Take a bow greencap, you're winning at losing here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    Do what you like. The Peak and mid-levels had rich Brits and colonials. But have a look at the geography of HK yourself; how could Hollywood Road possibly have been "dividing the island"?

    Captain history to the rescue!!


    With his loyal sidekick ... Billy Tang, of the Hong Kong history society.



    05:30

    Batman-slapping-Robin-Meme-Blank.jpg


    :D UNIIIITY!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Someone needs to Irish rail .


    Thread has turned into a train wreck


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Gatling wrote: »
    Someone needs to Irish rail .


    Thread has turned into a train wreck


    Even CIE couldn't sort this one out. Greencap reckons he's stumbled across something on youtube that can undo his f*ckwitery over the past few days.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    Yurt! wrote: »
    Even CIE couldn't sort this one out. Greencap reckons he's stumbled across something on youtube that can undo his f*ckwitery over the past few days.

    Is that right Yurt.


    Or should I say ......

    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTguwzkjacs5SEFzYh_OA6Tanm_BZMTB9p7d72ajWcc-R0UxOghgw


    Impotent rage. :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    China's mask has slipped. Well not that it was ever on straight anyway.

    But you know what i mean.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/24/hong-kong-fresh-rallies-as-protesters-target-airport-transport


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    One of the interesting stories of the day was that protesters are specifically targeting 'lamposts'.

    But not regular lampposts, these are 'smart' lamposts. Likely loaded with 5G, cameras and FRS surveillance.
    Not even sure how'd they manage to topple such a thing, angle grinders maybe?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    One of the interesting stories of the day was that protesters are specifically targeting 'lamposts'.

    But not regular lampposts, these are 'smart' lamposts. Likely loaded with 5G, cameras and FRS surveillance.
    Not even sure how'd they manage to topple such a thing, angle grinders maybe?

    Depending on how they were actually fixed -

    The biggest problem will be Chinese government access to phones , they were recently found out for secretly installing surveillance software apps on to tourist phones on the mainland that gave Chinese intelligence services access to everything on your phone


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Gatling wrote: »
    Depending on how they were actually fixed -

    The biggest problem will be Chinese government access to phones , they were recently found out for secretly installing surveillance software apps on to tourist phones on the mainland that gave Chinese intelligence services access to everything on your phone


    I know people don't realize its really big brother over there. If you have chinese mates don't send them stuff or post on their social media. And if you post a lot of political stuff don't interact with them too much. Partic if you ever go to protests and post it online.

    I know it sounds paranoid but that is what my chinese and hongkonger friends have requested from me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭Kimsang


    I know people don't realize its really big brother over there. If you have chinese mates don't send them stuff or post on their social media. And if you post a lot of political stuff don't interact with them too much. Partic if you ever go to protests and post it online.

    I know it sounds paranoid but that is what my chinese and hongkonger friends have requested from me.

    This is all ahead of us, when someone like Jeremy Corbyn comes to power(who had very different attitudes towards the visits from Trump and Winnie the Pooh). Just look to these boards and see how many people are in favour of restrictions on speech and thought. Its frightening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    greencap wrote: »
    Captain history to the rescue!!


    With his loyal sidekick ... Billy Tang, of the Hong Kong history society.



    05:30

    Batman-slapping-Robin-Meme-Blank.jpg


    :D UNIIIITY!!
    I'm sorry but you said Hollywood Road divided the island in two. Do you see how small the neighborhood is in that clip?

    My point was that you don't seem to know very much about Hong Kong or it's people and culture. A Vox video (that you've misunderstood) doesn't really change that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    I'm sorry but you said Hollywood Road divided the island in two. Do you see how small the neighborhood is in that clip?

    My point was that you don't seem to know very much about Hong Kong or it's people and culture. A Vox video (that you've misunderstood) doesn't really change that.

    "unofficial/cultural barrier"

    culturally.


    and it did. now please, just stop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    The video doesn't say that Hollywood Road divided the island in two.....it divided that particular area of Central.

    Saying that Hollywood Road acted as any sort of dividing line for the whole island exposes how little someone would know about Hong Kong, and how they'd clear never actually been there. Anyone thinking that a Vox video makes them an expert on a subject is quite typical of a certain type of person on the internet these days.


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