General Ryanair discusion

rivegauche · 24-08-2019 1:07pm

I understand that the week has not been good for the Union Activists in Ryanair with emotions running high but I am not deserving of this abuse.

billie1b · 24-08-2019 1:10pm

EverythingGood wrote: »

I used to, not that its your business. Worked 10 years for FR - loved all 10 years of it too. great company to work for.

Good tag team you got going here with the other bully.

You never worked a day in your life for them, i’m not a bully, I just speak in truth and facts about Ryanair, when people read it or hear it they don’t like it, the only bullies are Ryanairs management and their fanboys spouting crap

billie1b · 24-08-2019 1:12pm

rivegauche wrote: »

I understand that the week has not been good for the Union Activists in Ryanair with emotions running high but I am not deserving of this abuse.

You definitely wouldn’t last a day in Ryanair if being called a fool offends you.

EverythingGood · 24-08-2019 1:13pm

billie1b wrote: »

You never worked a day in your life for them, i’m not a bully, I just speak in truth and facts about Ryanair, when people read it or hear it they don’t like it, the only bullies are Ryanairs management and their fanboys spouting crap

You know me to say that? Good boy. People have different opinions, understandings and knowledge on things, you are very obviously unaccepting of that, so I won't be engaging with you anymore as you clearly can't argue without resorting to abuse.

View Profile · 24-08-2019 1:17pm

Very informed and interesting piece from Phoenix magazine about O'Leary's suitability as CEO of Ryanair.
Worth taking the time to read.
(Apologies for the quality of the photo.)

billie1b · 24-08-2019 1:17pm

EverythingGood wrote: »

You know me to say that? Good boy.

Well after been working there for 18 years and seen staff morale deteriorate day by day for the last 12 years I have a funny feeling you’re tag teaming with yourself there and telling a few porkies, good little lad

View Profile · 24-08-2019 1:18pm

Very informed and interesting piece from Phoenix magazine about O'Leary's suitability as CEO of Ryanair.
Worth taking the time to read.
(Apologies for the quality of the photo.)

EverythingGood · 24-08-2019 1:19pm

billie1b wrote: »

Well after been working there for 18 years and seen staff morale deteriorate day by day for the last 12 years I have a funny feeling you’re tag teaming with yourself there and telling a few porkies, good little lad

Well I worked in FRD for years, before working in SXB, GSE, BGY and RPK.

View Profile · 24-08-2019 1:23pm

Very informed and interesting piece from Phoenix magazine about O'Leary's suitability as CEO of Ryanair.
Worth taking the time to read.
(Apologies for the quality of the photo.)

rivegauche · 24-08-2019 1:24pm

As I mentioned in the Knock airport thread there is a great danger those routes will be lost now that the bases are closed. Ryanair would be happier to use the airframes on more profitable routes rather than operating a W pattern to maintain the routes or else they will want to use the planes as blockers like a dog in the manger to drive WIZZ away as was done with Southend just this week.

Jack1985 · 24-08-2019 1:29pm

billie1b wrote: »

You definitely wouldn’t last a day in Ryanair if being called a fool offends you.

He's trying to get you an infraction or ban blatantly obvious, well said points billieb.

View Profile · 24-08-2019 1:32pm

rivegauche wrote: »

Can we get back on topic? As I mentioned in the Knock airport thread there is a great danger those routes will be lost now that the bases are closed. Ryanair would be happier to use the airframes on more profitable routes rather than operating a W pattern to maintain the routes or else they will want to use the planes as blockers like a dog in the manger to drive WIZZ away as was done with Southend just this week.

You were correct in a previous reply as to why Ryanair are actually closing these bases.

Your answer was in effect, due social dumping.
Ryanair DAC will cease operating from these and other bases (due to striking employees) and we will now see the likes of Buzz open up there instead.
Not so funnily, Buzz as a lowest cost Polish outfit with no directly employed staff, i.e. all contractors, will replace these staff. It's a win win for management as strikes will no longer occur and staff are paid less and have no rights!

This is where European governments need to finally stand up and address this issue otherwise the greed of large corporations will destroy workers rights throughout Europe.

facehugger99 · 24-08-2019 1:35pm

Is closing a base the same as not flying there anymore?

The Ryanair website doesn't have any flights to Girona after November - is that route now gone?

Shamrockj · 24-08-2019 1:35pm

rivegauche wrote: »

Basing airframes in tourist destinations(southerly bucket and spade holiday resorts) is a sub-optimal use of scare resources. The planes need to be delivering tourists to the tourist destinations early in the day and flying them out in the evening and at night.
Regardless of whether the passenger is on a low or high wage they don't want to be loosing a day of holiday and paying for an additional night in a hotel.
Girona overlaps with Barcelona.
There are valid reasons why these bases would be cut which have nothing to do with Union activism and Unions are present in other Spanish bases which are not being closed.
It is highly unfair to characterize this move as vindictiveness.

It has to be said that making the mistake of using "Hall" instead of "Haul" in a communication of such importance is very poor.

That's nonsense. If that is the case why did they open the base in the first place. Also planes based in the canaries had very high utilisation they generally operated a 4 hour plus flight in the am and a flight to mainland Spain in the evening meaning they are on the ground less than 2 hours a day between flights. They also operate flights that would otherwise not exist due to having no bases in the other end of the route
This is purely disgusting bullying tactics to ruin the lives of anyone that demands basic rights in a authoritarian airline.

L1011 · 24-08-2019 1:41pm

Its perfectly possible to question someones knowledge and experience without getting so aggressive about it

EverythingGood · 24-08-2019 1:45pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

Is closing a base the same as not flying there anymore?

The Ryanair website doesn't have any flights to Girona after November - is that route now gone?

Closing a base just means that aircraft won't "sleep" there overnight anymore but flights may still go there from other bases.

Jack1985 · 24-08-2019 1:50pm

Ryanair has operated bases at Gran Canaria, Lanzarote and Tenerife South since Summer 2011. Very convenient all of a sudden they are ''low utilization'' bases now and require closure. The point about Buzz potentially making an appearance holds a lot of merit.

rivegauche · 24-08-2019 1:54pm

Ryanair has been very clear as to its intentions with Buzz. It is intended to be their sub-brand which serves tourist destinations.

View Profile · 24-08-2019 1:57pm

rivegauche wrote: »

Ryanair has been very clear as to its intentions with Buzz. It is intended to be their sub-brand which serves tourist destinations.

Buzz..........coming to a city near you soon.

rivegauche · 24-08-2019 1:58pm

Shamrockj wrote: »

...Also planes based in the canaries had very high utilisation they generally operated a 4 hour plus flight in the am and a flight to mainland Spain in the evening meaning they are on the ground less than 2 hours a day between flights.

High utilization is not one in the same with profit maximisation. Ryanair will always endeavour to operate planes for in excess of 14 to 16 hours in a day but they'd prefer to be doing that with passengers paying higher fares than selling off their seats at €9.99. This change is expected to improve their profitability.

rivegauche · 24-08-2019 2:07pm

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Buzz..........coming to a city near you soon.

Perhaps but for me unlikely...Laudamotion in DACH and Ryanair in British Isles for commuting between cities. I'm not one of for conventional Sun Holiday destinations as my skin doesn't take a colour what with living in my mother's basement and all.

View Profile · 24-08-2019 2:14pm

rivegauche wrote: »

I'm not one of for conventional Sun Holiday destinations as my skin doesn't take a colour what with living in my mother's basement and all.

Yeah, probably best so.

24-08-2019 2:26pm

A couple of months ago I flew with Ryanair to Riga, and I was really impressed with their operation there. It’s a very pleasant airport, and on returning there was a delay of just over an hour. They kept us well briefed, it was simply due to insufficient aircraft available for the operations. No doubt due to the Max8 fiasco. When it came to boarding they called all priority first, and did not call anyone else until priority passengers were on the stairs up to the aircraft. So, if you are traveling with them to Latvia, then it is worth paying for priority if you are so inclined.

Landing at Dublin the pilot told us that there would be a delay to get to a parking space as nobody seems to be working in the airport. His tone was really cynical. As he said he was well on time waiting to pick up the aircraft in the first place, and now that we had arrived late, we were going to be even later. When we did get parking a full half hour after taxiing in, we had a further half hour wait for luggage, not to mention the 40 minute wait for a taxi in the early hours. One very drunk skanger off another Ryanair flight was furious after his luggage failed to arrive sand was cursing the staff, eventually accompanied away by airport police. Thankfully the Riga flights had very well behaved passengers.

billy few mates · 24-08-2019 2:26pm

View Profile wrote: »

Very informed and interesting piece from Phoenix magazine about O'Leary's suitability as CEO of Ryanair.
Worth taking the time to read.
(Apologies for the quality of the photo.)

Yeah, it's clear there's really only one job loss required at Ryanair if customer confidence is to be restored...

Shamrockj · 24-08-2019 2:45pm

rivegauche wrote: »

High utilization is not one in the same with profit maximisation. Ryanair will always endeavour to operate planes for in excess of 14 to 16 hours in a day but they'd prefer to be doing that with passengers paying higher fares than selling off their seats at €9.99. This change is expected to improve their profitability.

Since when have fares to canary islands been 9.99. Holiday flights make much more money from bags, seat reservations and on board sales and that is what they are all about. You have dodged my response why they opened the base in the first place. Why now after 8 years has the base closed at the same time as unions have come along 1 +1 =2

IngazZagni · 24-08-2019 4:31pm

I never understand why Ryanair takes the militant route when dealing with its staff. So they are closing bases sure but is the overall capacity of Ryanair reducing? No it isn't. These aircraft are being relocated and capacity this winter will be flat to slightly up despite no max in the fleet. So why is their first reaction to seek to sack their staff? Surely they can offer relocation to other bases or at the very least put them on furlough until the max arrives? Am I looking at this too simply? Other companies dont have these problems and operate just fine.

Also over on LinkedIn you'll see Ryanair managers recruiting pilots and over on facebook Atlantic flight academy are enrolling for the 2020 Ryanair mentored pilot training programme. It simply doesn't make sense.

Is it not illegal to sack staff while at the same time hiring them?

billy few mates · 24-08-2019 5:30pm

IngazZagni wrote: »

I never understand why Ryanair takes the militant route when dealing with its staff. So they are closing bases sure but is the overall capacity of Ryanair reducing? No it isn't. These aircraft are being relocated and capacity this winter will be flat to slightly up despite no max in the fleet. So why is their first reaction to seek to sack their staff? Surely they can offer relocation to other bases or at the very least put them on furlough until the max arrives? Am I looking at this too simply? Other companies dont have these problems and operate just fine.

Also over on LinkedIn you'll see Ryanair managers recruiting pilots and over on facebook Atlantic flight academy are enrolling for the 2020 Ryanair mentored pilot training programme. It simply doesn't make sense.

Is it not illegal to sack staff while at the same time hiring them?

It doesn't exactly instill a lot of confidence that the IR problems are behind them.
Instead of being seen to engage with the employees to come to an amicable agreement and restore IR harmony it looks like they're going out of their way to inflame the situation and anger the workforce even more. Who in their right mind would book a flight for a holiday or an important business trip with this level of toxicity...?
I'm sure there'll be no shortage of takers for the €9.99 seat sale that Ryanair will inevitably use as a smokescreen to mask this unrest but surely they need to be building their business model on something more stable than this element of the market?

rivegauche · 24-08-2019 8:02pm

Shamrockj wrote: »

Since when have fares to canary islands been 9.99. Holiday flights make much more money from bags, seat reservations and on board sales and that is what they are all about. You have dodged my response why they opened the base in the first place. Why now after 8 years has the base closed at the same time as unions have come along 1 +1 =2

they will continue to serve the bucket and spade destinations but with planes based elsewhere at times which are more convenient to the Customers and for which they pay a premium while still paying for all the ancillaries that they paid for previously.

rivegauche · 24-08-2019 8:45pm

billy few mates wrote: »

Who in their right mind would book a flight for a holiday or an important business trip with this level of toxicity...?

That game won't work anymore for the Unions. From now on as was done in the last week Ryanair will reply to every strike threat informing passengers that service will be delivered as normal and it won't be a lie. If they have to wet lease planes from their other brands or on the market even at the height of the season they will do it because it is cheaper than playing the Union game.

IngazZagni wrote:

I never understand why Ryanair takes the militant route when dealing with its staff.

Not facing the Unions down means that every August in to the foreseeable future the Unions will call strikes until they have made Ryanair Management as docile as the management in Air France, KLM, Alitalia and Lufthansa. Air France can't even employ Management that the Unions don't approve; https://www.reuters.com/article/us-air-france-klm-ceo/air-france-klm-ceo-to-quit-after-staff-reject-pay-deal-idUSKBN1I5235
This guy resigned because of the Unions and finding a successor to this guy wasn't easy due to the Unions - that is Union Nirvana.
They'd like that for Ryanair too but Michael O'Leary has been given the blessing of the investors up until 2022 based on the business plan he is currently implementing. Appeasement will not work.

Also the company is guiding profits for FY20 in the range 750 to 950 million Euro. They are not making a billion a year at the moment thanks to the sabotage inflicted by the Unions yet the Unions expect to be rewarded with higher salaries for inflicting wealth destruction on Ryanair Investors.

L1011 · 24-08-2019 9:22pm

Wet leasing in the most expensive and complicted summer to do so ever is not going to be that simple a task.

rivegauche · 24-08-2019 9:28pm

L1011 wrote: »

Wet leasing in the most expensive and complicted summer to do so ever is not going to be that simple a task.

Wet lease a few planes at short notice for what otherwise appears to be extorionate rates or be held hostage to Unions knocking hundreds of millions of euro off annual profit? Easy choice. Do it once or twice and ruin a few co-ordinated actions by various ALPAs across Europe and the Unions won't strike again.

Portsalon · 24-08-2019 9:34pm

billie1b wrote: »

These base closures are nothing more than an attack at the staff and unions for Ryanair to try show them who’s boss and who will always be boss and that they will never give in to union demands, nothing more and nothing less.

A situation that, presumably, every single person who applied to Ryanair for a job would have been keenly aware of.

So why did they join?

L1011 · 24-08-2019 9:35pm

rivegauche wrote: »

Wet lease a few planes at short notice for what otherwise appears to be extorionate rates or be held hostage to Unions knocking hundreds of millions of euro off annual profit? Easy choice. Do it once or twice and ruin a few co-ordinated actions by various ALPAs across Europe and the Unions won't strike again.

All a wonderful idea, if there are actually planes to lease. There aren't.

rivegauche · 24-08-2019 9:45pm

L1011 wrote: »

All a wonderful idea, if there are actually planes to lease. There aren't.

August is effectively over. They might try again in August 2020. A year to prepare.
After that the Polish AOC with contractors and the Polish flight school will be in full swing.

billy few mates · 24-08-2019 10:42pm

rivegauche wrote: »

August is effectively over. They might try again in August 2020. A year to prepare.
After that the Polish AOC with contractors and the Polish flight school will be in full swing.

Christmas is only four months away...

Credit Checker Moose · 24-08-2019 10:46pm

So no strikes in the next 30 days or so?

I want to book a flight but very hesitant.

Jack1985 · 24-08-2019 11:10pm

rivegauche wrote: »

Also the company is guiding profits for FY20 in the range 750 to 950 million Euro. They are not making a billion a year at the moment thanks to the sabotage inflicted by the Unions yet the Unions expect to be rewarded with higher salaries for inflicting wealth destruction on Ryanair Investors.

Give me a break, ah the poor shareholders and Ryanair with their self entitled employees who FR couldn't give a toss about.

Who could blame Peter Bellew, here's a nice job offer to escape the toxic chastity belt you find yourself in... the lovely little send off letter with the jibes of a teenager thrown in at the end and a lawsuit no doubt stemming from the self confessed narcissist in chief thereafter.

''Sabotage inflicted by the unions''

EverythingGood · 25-08-2019 12:49am

Jack1985 wrote: »

Give me a break, ah the poor shareholders and Ryanair with their self entitled employees who FR couldn't give a toss about.

Who could blame Peter Bellew, here's a nice job offer to escape the toxic chastity belt you find yourself in... the lovely little send off letter with the jibes of a teenager thrown in at the end and a lawsuit no doubt stemming from the self confessed narcissist in chief thereafter.

''Sabotage inflicted by the unions''

The same Peter Bellew who left a CEO job 18 months ago to come back to the job he left 36 months ago?

billy few mates · 25-08-2019 7:18am

Credit Checker Moose wrote: »

So no strikes in the next 30 days or so?

I want to book a flight but very hesitant.

What could possibly go wrong...?

Roanmore · 25-08-2019 11:26am

Are the Spanish strikes still going ahead in Sept. Have a flight booked on 13th and back on 20th, these days have been identified as strike days.

rivegauche · 25-08-2019 11:40am

A cabin crew strike(which this is) won't cancel your flight and your plane might not even be based in Spain which means it won't be crewed by Spanish staff.
Check flightradar24 to see where your plane normally starts the day on that particular day in the week.

billie1b · 25-08-2019 11:46am

Roanmore wrote: »

Are the Spanish strikes still going ahead in Sept. Have a flight booked on 13th and back on 20th, these days have been identified as strike days.

What’s your flight numbers?

Phileas Frog · 25-08-2019 11:49am

1123heavy wrote: »

"There is a significant overcapacity in the European short hall market".

How embarrassing that the HR manager for such a major airline can't even spell.

Blaming the max, blaming pay and blaming the cost of oil ... willfully ignorant to the fact they're the only guys announcing such job losses in Europe right now. It wouldn't have anything to do with those pesky strikes, by employees looking to be treated as humans would it?

Norwegian?

Roanmore · 25-08-2019 12:34pm

billie1b wrote: »

What’s your flight numbers?

Hi, they are FR9901 outbound and FR 9902 inbound.

IngazZagni · 25-08-2019 12:52pm

Phileas Frog wrote: »

Norwegian?

As far as I know Norwegian haven't sacked anybody yet. Of course Ryanair would have you believe otherwise. They should be offered positions at other bases. That could be subject to change though.

billie1b · 25-08-2019 1:06pm

Roanmore wrote: »

Hi, they are FR9901 outbound and FR 9902 inbound.

That’s a Cork based aircraft, so you should have no issues at all

Roanmore · 25-08-2019 1:07pm

billie1b wrote: »

That’s a Cork based aircraft, so you should have no issues at all

Great, appreciate that.

View Profile · 25-08-2019 1:31pm

rivegauche wrote: »

Not facing the Unions down means that every August in to the foreseeable future the Unions will call strikes until they have made Ryanair Management as docile as the management in Air France, KLM, Alitalia and Lufthansa. Air France can't even employ Management that the Unions don't approve;
They'd like that for Ryanair too but Michael O'Leary has been given the blessing of the investors up until 2022 based on the business plan he is currently implementing. Appeasement will not work.

Also the company is guiding profits for FY20 in the range 750 to 950 million Euro. They are not making a billion a year at the moment thanks to the sabotage inflicted by the Unions yet the Unions expect to be rewarded with higher salaries for inflicting wealth destruction on Ryanair Investors.

Jaysus Rive, could you be more paranoid?

This whole situation with unions developed out of Managements gross mismanagement of staff relations over the past two decades.
Staff with no rights struggled to improve conditions within their airline and as management weren't bothered listening they turned to Unions. MOL created this!

Unions are guided by their members. These Ryanair pilots don't seek to destroy their passengers travel plans and don't seek to decimate the share price (O'Leary's doing that all by himself) but they do seek the return to the conditions they enjoyed around 18 years ago.

Pay has drastically fallen since this time. As has the basics like loss of licence insurance, uniform, hotels when renewing licence abroad. With profits close to a billion per year crew still have to pay full price for water or food on-board. Not even a discounted price!!

That's what workers seek to change. It's been a downward spiral for conditions and workers have had enough.
So don't go spouting nonsense about turning the airline into Air France cos that's so far from the truth!

Locker10a · 25-08-2019 1:38pm

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Jaysus Rive, could you be more paranoid?

This whole situation with unions developed out of Managements gross mismanagement of staff relations over the past two decades.
Staff with no rights struggled to improve conditions within their airline and as management weren't bothered listening they turned to Unions. MOL created this!

Unions are guided by their members. These Ryanair pilots don't seek to destroy their passengers travel plans and don't seek to decimate the share price (O'Leary's doing that all by himself) but they do seek the return to the conditions they enjoyed around 18 years ago.

Pay has drastically fallen since this time. As has the basics like loss of licence insurance, uniform, hotels when renewing licence abroad. With profits close to a billion per year crew still have to pay full price for water or food on-board. Not even a discounted price!!

That's what workers seek to change. It's been a downward spiral for conditions and workers have had enough.
So don't go spouting nonsense about turning the airline into Air France cos that's so far from the truth!

Spot on

Portsalon · 25-08-2019 10:43pm

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That's what workers seek to change. It's been a downward spiral for conditions and workers have had enough.

In that case, why don't they simply leave? Presumably pay and conditions are vastly superior in other aviation companies.

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