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The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

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  • #1652
    ToBeFrank123
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    Splitting and amalgamating would kill any interest.

    We've seen how amalgamations like for the Railway Cup have turned out. Zero interest.

    I think Dubs forget that up to about 10 years ago, most counties felt they could challenge for a provincial title - in Leinster most counties probably felt that way, until the field became completely unbalanced. In Connacht, 4 of the 5 felt they could challenge. In Munster, you had the usual 2, but the others probably felt they could give Cork or Kerry a good rattle which they sometimes did. And in Ulster most counties could challenge.

    For amalgamations to work, the counties in question would have to be training from December or January like the bigger counties.

    Splits and amalgamations are not the answer unless you want to kill the sport altogether. Its a non starter.


  • #1653
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    ToBeFrank123 wrote: »
    Splitting and amalgamating would kill any interest.

    We've seen how amalgamations like for the Railway Cup have turned out. Zero interest.

    I think Dubs forget that up to about 10 years ago, most counties felt they could challenge for a provincial title - in Leinster most counties probably felt that way, until the field became completely unbalanced. In Connacht, 4 of the 5 felt they could challenge. In Munster, you had the usual 2, but the others probably felt they could give Cork or Kerry a good rattle which they sometimes did. And in Ulster most counties could challenge.

    For amalgamations to work, the counties in question would have to be training from December or January like the bigger counties.

    Splits and amalgamations are not the answer unless you want to kill the sport altogether. Its a non starter.

    So Leinster is the only one that has really changed?

    I think what most people forget is there has ALWAYS been imbalances in the GAA


  • #1654
    ToBeFrank123
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    tikkahunter wrote: »
    https://www.elverys.ie/elverys/en/Elverys/GAA/Connacht/Mayo-Jersey-%7C-Elverys-%7C-Shop-Mayo-GAA/O%27Neills-Mayo-2019-Home-Jersey%2C-Green/p/000000001091702002?gclid=EAIaIQobChMImY2BveeT5AIVmK3tCh21JweKEAYYAyABEgKg2fD_BwE&feefologon=www.elverys.ie&givexIframeUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fwwws-uk1.givex.com%2Fcws%2Felverys%2Fconsumer%2Fclp%2Fmy_cards.py&siteName=Elverys+Site&siteUid=elverys&categoryClass=gaa

    I think you will find It does say intersport.

    That's fine.

    But where is the proof from which accounts the money is coming from. Elverys Ireland or Intersport international. We know Elverys Ireland profits are 1.14 million for example.

    If people have no proof, just be honest and say "I don't know."


  • #1655
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    The fact that people are trying to argue that the deal mayo have with elverys and the deal dublin have with AIG (known to be the biggest of its kind by a distance) are one in the same, describes in a nutshell the type of sh*te the dubs try to peddle. How they think people are stupid enough to actually take that at face value is beyond me...

    The fact that they have about 20 other sponsors on top of AIG - including intersport, and get the most money from the gaa, on top of a sustained government bailout, makes the whole thing facile anyway.

    You start to realise that the dubs don't give a toss about the gaa. That they left the gaa because they dont really care about it, and when the gaa went trying to entice them back with artificial competitiveness, they made a mistake, because thet still dont care about the gaa and now they are stuck with them, spoiling any attempt to improve the game as a whole if it happens to take a red cent from their own team. They will happily see the think destroyed, as long as they get to keep winning.


  • #1656
    ToBeFrank123
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    naughtb4 wrote: »
    So Leinster is the only one that has really changed?

    I think what most people forget is there has ALWAYS been imbalances in the GAA

    Yes there has. But when it reached AI level, the imbalances usually sorted themselves out. Until recently.

    Dublin's Leinster dominance appears to have now been transferred to AI level.


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  • #1657
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    ToBeFrank123 wrote: »
    Yes there has. But when it reached AI level, the imbalances usually sorted themselves out. Until recently.

    Dublin's Leinster dominance appears to have now been transferred to AI level.

    And during Kerrys 4 in a row...
    or between 1977 and 1986 when Kerry won 7 out of 10?


  • #1658
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    blanch152 wrote: »
    It is not a fair solution unless other counties are amalgamated.

    If Dublin was split in two or four, there would have to be an asterix against every subsequent All-Ireland win - only won because Dublin was split, not because they were the best football team.

    The only way to get around that is to fully reconstitute the All-Ireland championship. It could be loosely based on the county structure with both splits and amalgamations. Traditionally strong counties like Kerry would also be split like Dublin, while traditionally weak counties could be amalgamated. A new competition could be formed, aimed at improving competitiveness. The splits/amalgamations could be reviewed after a decade.

    Without such a wide reform, there would be the potential for the same issue arising again within a year or two with the four Dublin teams meeting in the semi-finals. I mean, you are interested in competitiveness which means that would be a real possibility, rather than just taking out Dublin in mean-spirited bitterness and jealousy?

    I have stated to you several times, certain coumties could be offered voluntary amalgamation. If they choose to do so great, if they dont it doent affect things. Simple. So there you go, no need to mention amalgamation again as it has been resolved fully.

    If you want to add an asterix to those wins then obviously you accept one stands beside all dublins wins from 2011? In fact, since they have always had a monstrous population advantage, the asterix should probably stand beside all their wins in history, if you want to go down thar road... Up to you..


  • #1659
    Duffy the Vampire Slayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,384 ✭✭✭Duffy the Vampire Slayer


    The Railway Cup used to be really popular. I am not quite sure why it declined so much.


  • #1660
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    So was it wasn't because of funding that Kerry outperformed Dublin.
    Now we are getting somewhere.

    If you look at the article below it clearly shows that funding is not the sole reason for success.

    ---


    "So with everything said and done, what impact does financial income have on the success of GAA teams? Gaelic football and hurling are not like other sports where the rich teams can buy whatever players they want (at least officially anyway). In fact, in comparing gaelic football team ratings to Games Development income (see graphic below) there is a negative correlation."

    https://punditarena.com/gaa/gaelic-football/smangan/money-influence-success-gaelic-football/

    Screen-Shot-2017-02-16-at-19.13.24-768x449.png

    "Obviously, Dublin is a major outlier, but the trend is that the lower rated teams receive greater amounts of money for games development. This may be a surprise to many but it makes sense. The best way to promote the game is to invest in weaker counties in order to make them competitive."

    "The major conclusion I would take from this is that it’s not how much money you get, but it’s about how you invest it. Yes, I think something needs to be done about the allocation of funding, but other counties need to take a leaf out of Dublin’s book and implement a long-term development strategy."


    ---

    In case you cannot see it the development funds v ELO graph shows

    Fermangh, Waterford, Longford, Leitrim and Waterford are ahead of a plethora of more successful counties

    Yes kerry developed a culture that drove them on. Dublin couldnt do this and needed monsterous investment to almost replicate it. This is clear. If you have an issue take it up with history.
    It is a shame they couldnt do it without the money, in fact they should have been able to truth be told. They werent, that is just the reality. What you are doing now is trying to rewrite the history books after the fact.


  • #1661
    ToBeFrank123
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    naughtb4 wrote: »
    And during Kerrys 4 in a row...
    or between 1977 and 1986 when Kerry won 7 out of 10?

    Kerry's form fell off a cliff after '86 and it was 5 years before they won another Munster and 11 before they won an AI.


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  • #1662
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,256 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    ToBeFrank123 wrote: »
    Splitting and amalgamating would kill any interest.

    We've seen how amalgamations like for the Railway Cup have turned out. Zero interest.

    I think Dubs forget that up to about 10 years ago, most counties felt they could challenge for a provincial title - in Leinster most counties probably felt that way, until the field became completely unbalanced. In Connacht, 4 of the 5 felt they could challenge. In Munster, you had the usual 2, but the others probably felt they could give Cork or Kerry a good rattle which they sometimes did. And in Ulster most counties could challenge.

    For amalgamations to work, the counties in question would have to be training from December or January like the bigger counties.

    Splits and amalgamations are not the answer unless you want to kill the sport altogether. Its a non starter.

    The majority of fans would hate it alright - protests left, right and centre
    Fellas would be ripping up season tickets.
    It would only work with a younger sport like American soccer, and where are used to the culture of franchises.

    The Leinster football championship is basically the same as the Munster Championship now.
    It is just there because that is how it always used to be done - there seems to be no other reason that those championships are there.
    A complete waste of time imo.

    The tactic now from the GAA seems to be to gradually lower Dublin's finances and funnel them into the east coast - Louth, Kildare-Meath-Wicklow

    https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/1-5m-gaa-funding-boost-for-east-leinster-project-34934104.html

    I will be particularly interested to see how Wicklow do.
    Will the funding be invested correctly?
    Will the culture of club first, county second change in Wicklow?

    Because they are decent at club level

    Rathnew won a Leinster club in 2001 they also kocked out vincents in 2017

    https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/rathnew-shock-st-vincents-with-upset-win-in-leinster-senior-club-football-championship-36312159.html

    Kept Connolly to two points.

    Also back in 2006 the UCD team full of non-Dubs Wicklow players, McManus Offaly, Galway's Divily on the bench with a Westmeath player on the bench - beat Vincents,

    Also we saw with Micko's arrival what could be done with Wicklow.
    When Wicklow beat Kildare in the championship.

    ----

    My opinion is the future of the GAA is not the intercounty scene.
    That is the wrong focus.

    The real focus should be the club championship.
    I think the Club Championship will eventually be the GAA's premier competitions.
    I often watch other counties championships t on TG4 great entertainment.

    Also I enjoy going to the Dublin club championship big games.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • #1663
    MayoAreMagic
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    ToBeFrank123 wrote: »
    Kerry's form fell off a cliff after '86 and it was 5 years before they won another Munster and 11 before they won an AI.

    This was because they actually had a golden generation of players, unlike dublin now, and those teams eventually come to an end. They then generally struggle to replace them as the downside of a golden generations is not enough young lads get enough games to develop in that time. This in turn gives other teams a chance and so the thing stays fresh.
    This is the main issue with dublin now. They are operating on a different plain to the rest due to the money invested and so regardless of their trough in form, they are still too strong. Even when they do eventually lose a game, they will still come back and win a load more all irelands. No dub fan has ever attempted to discuss what should happen if and when this comes to pass.


  • #1664
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,256 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    Yes kerry developed a culture that drove them on. Dublin couldnt do this and needed monsterous investment to almost replicate it. This is clear. If you have an issue take it up with history.
    It is a shame they couldnt do it without the money, in fact they should have been able to truth be told. They werent, that is just the reality. What you are doing now is trying to rewrite the history books after the fact.

    So can money replicate a 'culture' that does not make any sense.
    Surely a culture is a mixture of intangibles that money cannot buy?

    So you are basically saying that Dublin's culture was wrong -

    Dublin's players were not good enough, the structures and management were wrong.
    What happened all those population advantages you crow about now when Dublin were not successful.
    Did it help?
    The fact is that Dublin were dis-organised, underachieving, underfunded (even more than now) - plus not only that the pool of players was average or below average.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • #1665
    tikkahunter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭tikkahunter


    ToBeFrank123 wrote: »
    That's fine.

    But where is the proof from which accounts the money is coming from. Elverys Ireland or Intersport international. We know Elverys Ireland profits are 1.14 million for example.

    If people have no proof, just be honest and say "I don't know."

    Unfortunately they dont break it down but below is their accounts for 2018
    .They spend nearly 400k on youth coaching and the the accounts show they are not the porpers Mayo are magic would have you believe . The problem i have is people are not giving this bunch of players any credit for their hard work and commitment and dedication .

    http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/d12f12ee46aed45236406b1834d3b70032e41ac9.pdf


  • #1666
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    The majority of fans would hate it alright - protests left, right and centre
    Fellas would be ripping up season tickets.
    It would only work with a younger sport like American soccer, and where are used to the culture of franchises.

    The Leinster football championship is basically the same as the Munster Championship now.
    It is just there because that is how it always used to be done - there seems to be no other reason that those championships are there.
    A complete waste of time imo.

    The tactic now from the GAA seems to be to gradually lower Dublin's finances and funnel them into the east coast - Louth, Kildare-Meath-Wicklow

    https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/1-5m-gaa-funding-boost-for-east-leinster-project-34934104.html

    I will be particularly interested to see how Wicklow do.
    Will the funding be invested correctly?
    Will the culture of club first, county second change in Wicklow?

    Because they are decent at club level

    Rathnew won a Leinster club in 2001 they also kocked out vincents in 2017

    https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/rathnew-shock-st-vincents-with-upset-win-in-leinster-senior-club-football-championship-36312159.html

    Kept Connolly to two points.

    Also back in 2006 the UCD team full of non-Dubs Wicklow players, McManus Offaly, Galway's Divily on the bench with a Westmeath player on the bench - beat Vincents,

    Also we saw with Micko's arrival what could be done with Wicklow.
    When Wicklow beat Kildare in the championship.

    ----

    My opinion is the future of the GAA is not the intercounty scene.
    That is the wrong focus.

    The real focus should be the club championship.
    I think the Club Championship will eventually be the GAA's premier competitions.
    I often watch them on TG4 great entertainment.

    I actually think it is the only hope for the intercounty game. They cant go cutting the funds to kids in dublin to even things up again. Maybe a bit more balance on that front is a good idea - every child should get the same chance should be their ethos - but then this still kills the county game.
    So if fans want to rip up their season tickets then let them. Because the few cannot legislate for the many. New clubs start and others amalgamate all the time. It isnt a new concept.

    As for your opinon on the intercounty game not being the future - that wasnt the question. The question was how to fix it.


  • #1667
    tikkahunter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭tikkahunter


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    You ask for a response, get one, then ignore it. I assume this is because you see you are wrong and now just want it to go away...

    http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/d12f12ee46aed45236406b1834d3b70032e41ac9.pdf


  • #1668
    ToBeFrank123
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    tikkahunter wrote: »
    Unfortunately they dont break it down but below is their accounts for 2018
    .They spend nearly 400k on youth coaching and the the accounts show they are not the porpers Mayo are magic would have you believe . The problem i have is people are not giving this bunch of players any credit for their hard work and commitment and dedication .

    http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/d12f12ee46aed45236406b1834d3b70032e41ac9.pdf

    No-one is doubting the hard work put in by the Dublin players and managers. They are the cream of the crop in Dublin who have risen to the top, the same as in Mayo, Kerry, Tyrone and every county.

    The players on the senior county panel of every county, Dublin included, are hard working athletes who make tremendous efforts.

    My sympathy will always be with the footballers in lesser counties who break their necks training knowing they never have a hope of winning a provincial or AI title and its all going to be in vain. The only reason they train hard is to represent their county and make sure it puts up a good account and hope for the occasional win. But amalgamations are not the answer.


  • #1669
    ToBeFrank123
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    But I should add, Dublin enjoy significant advantages, most/no other county will ever have.

    And once the 5 in a row is achieved, these advantages need to be seriously looked at.

    Its actually a pity for the current Dublin players and management that their achievements are being questioned, but there are legitimate issues to be dealt with, home advantage in most games, GDF, etc.


  • #1670
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    tikkahunter wrote: »
    Unfortunately they dont break it down but below is their accounts for 2018
    .They spend nearly 400k on youth coaching and the the accounts show they are not the porpers Mayo are magic would have you believe . The problem i have is people are not giving this bunch of players any credit for their hard work and commitment and dedication .

    http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/d12f12ee46aed45236406b1834d3b70032e41ac9.pdf

    I never said they were paupers, I said they could never match what dublin are getting from their sponsors. That file has proven this point completely. Can you post up a breakdown of the Dublin accounts by the way?


  • #1671
    tikkahunter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭tikkahunter


    ToBeFrank123 wrote: »
    No-one is doubting the hard work put in by the Dublin players and managers. They are the cream of the crop in Dublin who have risen to the top, the same as in Mayo, Kerry, Tyrone and every county.

    The players on the senior county panel of every county, Dublin included, are hard working athletes who make tremendous efforts.

    My sympathy will always be with the footballers in lesser counties who break their necks training knowing they never have a hope of winning a provincial or AI title and its all going to be in vain. The only reason they train hard is to represent their county and make sure it puts up a good account and hope for the occasional win. But amalgamations are not the answer.
    see Mayo are Magic’s post above , this is the ****e I can’t stand , no credit whatsoever.


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  • #1672
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,966 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    The fact that people are trying to argue that the deal mayo have with elverys and the deal dublin have with AIG (known to be the biggest of its kind by a distance) are one in the same, describes in a nutshell the type of sh*te the dubs try to peddle. How they think people are stupid enough to actually take that at face value is beyond me...

    The fact that they have about 20 other sponsors on top of AIG - including intersport, and get the most money from the gaa, on top of a sustained government bailout, makes the whole thing facile anyway.

    You start to realise that the dubs don't give a toss about the gaa. That they left the gaa because they dont really care about it, and when the gaa went trying to entice them back with artificial competitiveness, they made a mistake, because thet still dont care about the gaa and now they are stuck with them, spoiling any attempt to improve the game as a whole if it happens to take a red cent from their own team. They will happily see the think destroyed, as long as they get to keep winning.

    Nobody ever said that the value of the two sponsorships was the same, nobody ever said that the two companies were directly comparable, nobody ever said Dublin didn't have other sponsors (as I am sure Mayo do too).

    Some poster randomly said that Elverys were not a massively wealthy company, all I was pointing out was that wasn't true because of the Intersports point (see below post for where it was said).


    ToBeFrank123 wrote: »
    The sponsorshop deal comes out of Elverys accounts I'd say, otherwise the sponsorship would be for Intersport so it would make sense to have Intersport on the jersey if that was the case.

    So you need to provide proof that Intersport are paying out the money.

    I didn't allege AIG International were paying for the Dublin sponsorship, just that AIG are a huge company both in Ireland and internationally, whereas Elverys are a very small Irish company with very small profits.





    https://www.oneills.com/shop-by-team/gaa-county/mayo-gaa.html?gclid=CjwKCAjw1_PqBRBIEiwA71rmtQaa8KhrwvxXzSe7s2A6XFHh_6PXwE7g7JZmMZ9um-O1R6IuE7c5RhoC-h0QAvD_BwE


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    Again, I never said no other county has any sponsors. Im sure elverys sponsor some level of gear. Elverys are not a massively wealthy company though, ..


  • #1673
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    tikkahunter wrote: »
    http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/d12f12ee46aed45236406b1834d3b70032e41ac9.pdf

    A breakdown of the mayo accounts. Ironically enough, which proves they have to pay for hotels and catering - almost 700,000 euros worth of it. You have proven your own argument wrong.
    It doesnt go into the point about dublin having the highest per game spend though, which is what you are running from. How that could be possible, when their hotels and catering is sponsored, is an absolute mystery. Seriously, where is that money going?


  • #1674
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,256 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    I actually think it is the only hope for the intercounty game. They cant go cutting the funds to kids in dublin to even things up again. Maybe a bit more balance on that front is a good idea - every child should get the same chance should be their ethos - but then this still kills the county game.
    So if fans want to rip up their season tickets then let them. Because the few cannot legislate for the many. New clubs start and others amalgamate all the time. It isnt a new concept.

    As for your opinon on the intercounty game not being the future - that wasnt the question. The question was how to fix it.

    How to fix the intercounty game?
    Was that asked when Kerry had even more dominance than Dublin?
    Maybe it it was - I don't know.

    It certainly was not asked when Kilkenny were going for five a row back in 2010
    Or it was not asked when Kilkenny walloped Waterford in the 2008 AI hurling final

    ---

    For the intercouty scrap the provincials/make them the pre-season competition - depends on the county board. If provincials were kept no back door way more exciting -ulster/connacht people might like that.
    Munster/Leinster people could not care less about the provincals

    Make the league the main competition during the summer - the Super 8's is a gradual move towards this - group the leagues what ever way you want 4 - 6's and seed them- for example
    The league would be home and away.
    The top teams would then go into the last 4 in a knockout and winner will be crowned AI champions

    I love the league - my favourite competition - it needs to be expanded and played during the summer.

    In every other competition in other sports the league is the top competition - but the GAA are odd.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • #1675
    ToBeFrank123
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭ToBeFrank123


    tikkahunter wrote: »
    see Mayo are Magic’s post above , this is the ****e I can’t stand , no credit whatsoever.

    Look, outside of this forum, most people I have talked to recognise Dublin are a great team, but also Dublin enjoy huge advantages in many regards. And that's talking to non Dubs and Dubs.

    You are welcome to the 5 in a row.

    But there needs to be a serious effort to balance the playing field across the board.

    The problem is not with Dublin.

    The problem is with the GAA who do not know how to encourage struggling teams. They don't give a damn about the likes of Sligo, Leitrim, Westmeath, etc who used to reach provincial finals and even win them but have now fallen backwards badly. When these counties struggle its time to roll out the Dublin pilot to them.


  • #1676
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    tikkahunter wrote: »
    see Mayo are Magic’s post above , this is the ****e I can’t stand , no credit whatsoever.

    Why would they get credit when they dont compete on an even footing with everyone else? Credit for what like? Its like a guy running the 100 metres and starting 50 metres ahead. If that happened he would be ridiculed not credited. They have some fine individual players alright, but then so do a lot of teams.


  • #1677
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    blanch152 wrote: »
    How come neither Frank nor yourself knew that Intersports are on the front of the Mayo jersey?

    Elverys intersport.
    Not intersport.
    That is what elverys go by since they were bought out. Fact is, if it was intersport funding it themselves, there would be no elverys at all.

    How come you dont know that intersport sponsor dublin also?

    It is sad really. I suppose this is a success in your eyes. Concentrate on elverys and ignore everything else in the post. Keep going on about it until the rest of the topic isnt being discussed any more. Elverys was a moot point. Obviously they cant put in the money AIG can, this has subsequently been proven, thar was the point made. Dublin have 20 odd other sponsors on top of that, including intersport


  • #1678
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,688 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    I wondered yesterday and a quick look through today’s rubbish has me wondering again why sponsorship of any team is being discussed, all counties are free to get the most they can.


  • #1679
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,966 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    Elverys intersport.
    Not intersport.
    That is what elverys go by since they were bought out. Fact is, if it was intersport funding it themselves, there would be no elverys at all.

    How come you dont know that intersport sponsor dublin also?


    Intersport Elverys actually.

    https://www.oneills.com/shop-by-team/gaa-county/mayo-gaa.html?gclid=CjwKCAjw1_PqBRBIEiwA71rmtQaa8KhrwvxXzSe7s2A6XFHh_6PXwE7g7JZmMZ9um-O1R6IuE7c5RhoC-h0QAvD_BwE

    Here is the link again so you can look at an actual Mayo jersey.


  • #1680
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,256 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    Why would people give them credit? Short of having an extra man on the pitch, they cant have any more advantages in their favour.
    They are flat track bullies who get a headstart on top of it. Go and compete on an even playing field and then you will get credit.
    tikkahunter wrote: »
    see Mayo are Magic’s post above , this is the ****e I can’t stand , no credit whatsoever.

    That is what it really comes down to the funding is not the issue with many of the posters - merely a smokescreen:

    to throw dirt at dublin
    Give the players no credit

    Mayomagic has already let slip that Kerry created a 'culture' of winning despite Dublin's advantages.

    Culture is nice code for saying top class managment and players without saying it outright.

    Mayomagic would never have said Dublin have created a 'culture' - because that would imply orgainsation, structure, planning, great players and so on.

    In the last post s/he describes Dublin as 'flat track bullies' but there is an inherant contradiction in this it assumes that other teams are weak and are being trampled all-over.
    Dublin have not won the u20, minor, league, O'Byrne in football this year.
    Dublin have not won a hurling league since 2011
    Dublin have not won a leinster hurling title since 2013

    Many of Dublin's AI's have been won my not only skill, but tactical nous and mental strength.
    Mayomagic knows this but does not focus on it because it will reveal the failings of his/her own county.
    There has been no heaves similar to the Rochford one in Dublin in GAA driven by players

    It is people like MayoMagic who scream that football needs to be 'fixed'.
    But it seems that it is only because it is Dublin.
    It is OK when Kerry do it.

    It is OK when Kilkenny dominate hurling and go for a five in a row in 2010 and wallop teams like waterford in 2008
    I assume if I trawl through Mayomagic posts at that period I will see a real concern for the state of hurling?
    Or was it praise for a great team and a great manager?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • #1681
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    How to fix the intercounty game?
    Was that asked when Kerry had even more dominance than Dublin?
    Maybe it it was - I don't know.

    It certainly was not asked when Kilkenny were going for five a row back in 2010
    Or it was not asked when Kilkenny walloped Waterford in the 2008 AI hurling final

    ---

    For the intercouty scrap the provincials/make them the pre-season competition - depends on the county board. If provincials were kept no back door way more exciting -ulster/connacht people might like that.
    Munster/Leinster people could not care less about the provincals

    Make the league the main competition during the summer - the Super 8's is a gradual move towards this - group the leagues what ever way you want 4 - 6's and seed them- for example
    The league would be home and away.
    The top teams would then go into the last 4 in a knockout and winner will be crowned AI champions

    I love the league - my favourite competition - it needs to be expanded and played during the summer.

    In every other competition in other sports the league is the top competition - but the GAA are odd.

    Why would it be asked of kerry, when they have an average population? Kilkenny even less than the average. That means the majority of counties could reproduce what they did. How can anyone reproduce what dublin are doing?


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