ToBeFrank123 wrote: » Splitting and amalgamating would kill any interest. We've seen how amalgamations like for the Railway Cup have turned out. Zero interest. I think Dubs forget that up to about 10 years ago, most counties felt they could challenge for a provincial title - in Leinster most counties probably felt that way, until the field became completely unbalanced. In Connacht, 4 of the 5 felt they could challenge. In Munster, you had the usual 2, but the others probably felt they could give Cork or Kerry a good rattle which they sometimes did. And in Ulster most counties could challenge. For amalgamations to work, the counties in question would have to be training from December or January like the bigger counties. Splits and amalgamations are not the answer unless you want to kill the sport altogether. Its a non starter.
tikkahunter wrote: » https://www.elverys.ie/elverys/en/Elverys/GAA/Connacht/Mayo-Jersey-%7C-Elverys-%7C-Shop-Mayo-GAA/O%27Neills-Mayo-2019-Home-Jersey%2C-Green/p/000000001091702002?gclid=EAIaIQobChMImY2BveeT5AIVmK3tCh21JweKEAYYAyABEgKg2fD_BwE&feefologon=www.elverys.ie&givexIframeUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fwwws-uk1.givex.com%2Fcws%2Felverys%2Fconsumer%2Fclp%2Fmy_cards.py&siteName=Elverys+Site&siteUid=elverys&categoryClass=gaa I think you will find It does say intersport.
naughtb4 wrote: » So Leinster is the only one that has really changed? I think what most people forget is there has ALWAYS been imbalances in the GAA
ToBeFrank123 wrote: » Yes there has. But when it reached AI level, the imbalances usually sorted themselves out. Until recently. Dublin's Leinster dominance appears to have now been transferred to AI level.
blanch152 wrote: » It is not a fair solution unless other counties are amalgamated. If Dublin was split in two or four, there would have to be an asterix against every subsequent All-Ireland win - only won because Dublin was split, not because they were the best football team. The only way to get around that is to fully reconstitute the All-Ireland championship. It could be loosely based on the county structure with both splits and amalgamations. Traditionally strong counties like Kerry would also be split like Dublin, while traditionally weak counties could be amalgamated. A new competition could be formed, aimed at improving competitiveness. The splits/amalgamations could be reviewed after a decade. Without such a wide reform, there would be the potential for the same issue arising again within a year or two with the four Dublin teams meeting in the semi-finals. I mean, you are interested in competitiveness which means that would be a real possibility, rather than just taking out Dublin in mean-spirited bitterness and jealousy?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » So was it wasn't because of funding that Kerry outperformed Dublin. Now we are getting somewhere. If you look at the article below it clearly shows that funding is not the sole reason for success. ---"So with everything said and done, what impact does financial income have on the success of GAA teams? Gaelic football and hurling are not like other sports where the rich teams can buy whatever players they want (at least officially anyway). In fact, in comparing gaelic football team ratings to Games Development income (see graphic below) there is a negative correlation."https://punditarena.com/gaa/gaelic-football/smangan/money-influence-success-gaelic-football/"Obviously, Dublin is a major outlier, but the trend is that the lower rated teams receive greater amounts of money for games development. This may be a surprise to many but it makes sense. The best way to promote the game is to invest in weaker counties in order to make them competitive.""The major conclusion I would take from this is that it’s not how much money you get, but it’s about how you invest it. Yes, I think something needs to be done about the allocation of funding, but other counties need to take a leaf out of Dublin’s book and implement a long-term development strategy." --- In case you cannot see it the development funds v ELO graph shows Fermangh, Waterford, Longford, Leitrim and Waterford are ahead of a plethora of more successful counties
naughtb4 wrote: » And during Kerrys 4 in a row... or between 1977 and 1986 when Kerry won 7 out of 10?
ToBeFrank123 wrote: » Kerry's form fell off a cliff after '86 and it was 5 years before they won another Munster and 11 before they won an AI.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Yes kerry developed a culture that drove them on. Dublin couldnt do this and needed monsterous investment to almost replicate it. This is clear. If you have an issue take it up with history. It is a shame they couldnt do it without the money, in fact they should have been able to truth be told. They werent, that is just the reality. What you are doing now is trying to rewrite the history books after the fact.
ToBeFrank123 wrote: » That's fine. But where is the proof from which accounts the money is coming from. Elverys Ireland or Intersport international. We know Elverys Ireland profits are 1.14 million for example. If people have no proof, just be honest and say "I don't know."
gormdubhgorm wrote: » The majority of fans would hate it alright - protests left, right and centre Fellas would be ripping up season tickets. It would only work with a younger sport like American soccer, and where are used to the culture of franchises. The Leinster football championship is basically the same as the Munster Championship now. It is just there because that is how it always used to be done - there seems to be no other reason that those championships are there. A complete waste of time imo. The tactic now from the GAA seems to be to gradually lower Dublin's finances and funnel them into the east coast - Louth, Kildare-Meath-Wicklowhttps://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/1-5m-gaa-funding-boost-for-east-leinster-project-34934104.html I will be particularly interested to see how Wicklow do. Will the funding be invested correctly? Will the culture of club first, county second change in Wicklow? Because they are decent at club level Rathnew won a Leinster club in 2001 they also kocked out vincents in 2017https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/rathnew-shock-st-vincents-with-upset-win-in-leinster-senior-club-football-championship-36312159.html Kept Connolly to two points. Also back in 2006 the UCD team full of non-Dubs Wicklow players, McManus Offaly, Galway's Divily on the bench with a Westmeath player on the bench - beat Vincents, Also we saw with Micko's arrival what could be done with Wicklow. When Wicklow beat Kildare in the championship. ---- My opinion is the future of the GAA is not the intercounty scene. That is the wrong focus. The real focus should be the club championship. I think the Club Championship will eventually be the GAA's premier competitions. I often watch them on TG4 great entertainment.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » You ask for a response, get one, then ignore it. I assume this is because you see you are wrong and now just want it to go away...
tikkahunter wrote: » Unfortunately they dont break it down but below is their accounts for 2018 .They spend nearly 400k on youth coaching and the the accounts show they are not the porpers Mayo are magic would have you believe . The problem i have is people are not giving this bunch of players any credit for their hard work and commitment and dedication .http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/d12f12ee46aed45236406b1834d3b70032e41ac9.pdf
ToBeFrank123 wrote: » No-one is doubting the hard work put in by the Dublin players and managers. They are the cream of the crop in Dublin who have risen to the top, the same as in Mayo, Kerry, Tyrone and every county. The players on the senior county panel of every county, Dublin included, are hard working athletes who make tremendous efforts. My sympathy will always be with the footballers in lesser counties who break their necks training knowing they never have a hope of winning a provincial or AI title and its all going to be in vain. The only reason they train hard is to represent their county and make sure it puts up a good account and hope for the occasional win. But amalgamations are not the answer.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » The fact that people are trying to argue that the deal mayo have with elverys and the deal dublin have with AIG (known to be the biggest of its kind by a distance) are one in the same, describes in a nutshell the type of sh*te the dubs try to peddle. How they think people are stupid enough to actually take that at face value is beyond me... The fact that they have about 20 other sponsors on top of AIG - including intersport, and get the most money from the gaa, on top of a sustained government bailout, makes the whole thing facile anyway. You start to realise that the dubs don't give a toss about the gaa. That they left the gaa because they dont really care about it, and when the gaa went trying to entice them back with artificial competitiveness, they made a mistake, because thet still dont care about the gaa and now they are stuck with them, spoiling any attempt to improve the game as a whole if it happens to take a red cent from their own team. They will happily see the think destroyed, as long as they get to keep winning.
ToBeFrank123 wrote: » The sponsorshop deal comes out of Elverys accounts I'd say, otherwise the sponsorship would be for Intersport so it would make sense to have Intersport on the jersey if that was the case. So you need to provide proof that Intersport are paying out the money. I didn't allege AIG International were paying for the Dublin sponsorship, just that AIG are a huge company both in Ireland and internationally, whereas Elverys are a very small Irish company with very small profits.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Again, I never said no other county has any sponsors. Im sure elverys sponsor some level of gear. Elverys are not a massively wealthy company though, ..
tikkahunter wrote: » http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/d12f12ee46aed45236406b1834d3b70032e41ac9.pdf
MayoAreMagic wrote: » I actually think it is the only hope for the intercounty game. They cant go cutting the funds to kids in dublin to even things up again. Maybe a bit more balance on that front is a good idea - every child should get the same chance should be their ethos - but then this still kills the county game. So if fans want to rip up their season tickets then let them. Because the few cannot legislate for the many. New clubs start and others amalgamate all the time. It isnt a new concept. As for your opinon on the intercounty game not being the future - that wasnt the question. The question was how to fix it.
tikkahunter wrote: » see Mayo are Magic’s post above , this is the ****e I can’t stand , no credit whatsoever.
blanch152 wrote: » How come neither Frank nor yourself knew that Intersports are on the front of the Mayo jersey?
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Elverys intersport. Not intersport. That is what elverys go by since they were bought out. Fact is, if it was intersport funding it themselves, there would be no elverys at all. How come you dont know that intersport sponsor dublin also?
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Why would people give them credit? Short of having an extra man on the pitch, they cant have any more advantages in their favour. They are flat track bullies who get a headstart on top of it. Go and compete on an even playing field and then you will get credit.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » How to fix the intercounty game? Was that asked when Kerry had even more dominance than Dublin? Maybe it it was - I don't know. It certainly was not asked when Kilkenny were going for five a row back in 2010 Or it was not asked when Kilkenny walloped Waterford in the 2008 AI hurling final --- For the intercouty scrap the provincials/make them the pre-season competition - depends on the county board. If provincials were kept no back door way more exciting -ulster/connacht people might like that. Munster/Leinster people could not care less about the provincals Make the league the main competition during the summer - the Super 8's is a gradual move towards this - group the leagues what ever way you want 4 - 6's and seed them- for example The league would be home and away. The top teams would then go into the last 4 in a knockout and winner will be crowned AI champions I love the league - my favourite competition - it needs to be expanded and played during the summer. In every other competition in other sports the league is the top competition - but the GAA are odd.
