The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

RoyalCelt

I see clubs in mayo and kerry are struggling to field underage teams. The way the populations are going in 20 years kerry and Mayo won't get within 20 points of dublin.

Fann Linn

Bonniedog wrote: »

In the same way as Rovers/Bohs is El Classico. Be about the same level of interest.

We hate Boh is!

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

RoyalCelt wrote: »

I see clubs in mayo and kerry are struggling to field underage teams. The way the populations are going in 20 years kerry and Mayo won't get within 20 points of dublin.

I saw that about Ballyhaunis. If they are struggling to field a team, a lot of clubs in Mayo must be even worse off.

BarryD2

seamus wrote: »

Dublin have raised the bar. The other counties will rise to meet it. There is a lot of doom and gloom about the game being ruined, that Dublin will continue winning for decades to come. But that has never happened in any active sport. Dublin will remain a strong competitor, sure, but the game will shift again and another team will be in the spotlight.

Maybe that will happen at AI level but at provincial level, Dublin have owned Leinster Football now for more years that one cares to remember. They are the cuckoo in the nest.

hardybuck

Happyilylost wrote: »

The part about Johnny Glynn is what we call a lie. He gets one flight home. Waits till we are knocked out. Then heads back stateside. No private jets in between.

Are you calling me a liar?

Coillte_Bhoy

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

I saw that about Ballyhaunis. If they are struggling to field a team, a lot of clubs in Mayo must be even worse off.

not sure what the issue is with Ballyhaunis but its certainly not due to population decline, its the 5th largest town in Mayo

Coillte_Bhoy

Bonniedog wrote: »

In the same way as Rovers/Bohs is El Classico. Be about the same level of interest.

Its a facile comparison. Anyway while some of the older Dublin fans might walk away i think there wouldnt be the same issues with younger fans and going forward the new Dublin teams would built up large support bases pretty quickly and a keen rivalry wouldn't be long developing

Bonniedog

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Its a facile comparison. Anyway while some of the older Dublin fans might walk away i think there wouldnt be the same issues with younger fans and going forward the new Dublin teams would built up large support bases pretty quickly and a keen rivalry wouldn't be long developing

No harm to you but you haven't a notion about CLG Átha Cliath.

you do realise we have county leagues and championships across all sports and grades at all ages. So these will have to be reorganised on some spurious north/south basis too?

If this ever happens, it will be the end of the GAA in Dublin, so some of you will die happy/

Coillte_Bhoy

Bonniedog wrote: »

No harm to you but you haven't a notion about CLG Átha Cliath.

you do realise we have county leagues and championships across all sports and grades at all ages. So these will have to be reorganised on some spurious north/south basis too?

If this ever happens, it will be the end of the GAA in Dublin, so some of you will die happy/

Thought we were specifically taking GAA here? Im not going into the whole splitting Dublin thing, its bee done to death but i dont see attendances collapsing like many suggest. And if you think splitting would lead to

the end of the GAA in Dublin

well it doesnt say much for the strength of the organisation there does it? The GAA can thrive in areas where there may be little or no interest in the county team

salmocab

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Thought we were specifically taking GAA here? Im not going into the whole splitting Dublin thing, its bee done to death but i dont see attendances collapsing like many suggest. And if you think splitting would lead to well it doesnt say much for the strength of the organisation there does it? The GAA can thrive in areas where there may be little or no interest in the county team

By all sports he meant football, hurling and camogie.

seamus

BarryD2 wrote: »

Maybe that will happen at AI level but at provincial level, Dublin have owned Leinster Football now for more years that one cares to remember. They are the cuckoo in the nest.

Like you say, the provincial cups have been pointless endeavours long before Dublin's current run.

Realistically they should be abandoned in favour of making a bigger feature of the leagues. The top two teams from each of the four leagues go into the super 8s to play it out for semi final places. Randomly drawn, not seeded.

This means that only two of the top four teams in any given year have a shot at the All-Ireland, and will light a fire in support for the GAA amongst the other counties. And for the leagues - if you can't make the All-Ireland without topping your league, then it becomes a much more important competition.

Imagine if the super-8s this year were Kerry, Mayo, Meath, Donegal, Westmeath, Laois, Derry & Leitrim. That's five teams who haven't been in pissing distance of a semi final (never mind a final) in years.

Sure it might end up most of the time being a final between the Div1 winners, but that's the way it is now, except that the entire super 8s are usually dominated by Div 1 teams.

ToBeFrank123

Maybe we should just award Sam Maguire to the League winners. Would solve a few problems. Could change the current AI to some other name. At this stage, the League is far more competitive.

The current AI has so many problems that its almost beyond fixing. And others have noted, the premier competition in most sports is based around a league format.

Happyilylost

hardybuck wrote: »

Are you calling me a liar?

Apologies. That came across a little harsh. Johnny Glynn did commute back and forth to America in 2017. In 2018 and 2019 this ceased. He retuned to Galway and stayed until they exited the championship. So he has not travelled back and forth to America over the last few years.

hardybuck

Happyilylost wrote: »

Apologies. That came across a little harsh. Johnny Glynn did commute back and forth to America in 2017. In 2018 and 2019 this ceased. He retuned to Galway and stayed until they exited the championship. So he has not travelled back and forth to America over the last few years.

No hassle.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Maybe we should just award Sam Maguire to the League winners. Would solve a few problems. Could change the current AI to some other name. At this stage, the League is far more competitive.

The current AI has so many problems that its almost beyond fixing. And others have noted, the premier competition in most sports is based around a league format.

I would love if they did that. I would have aeen Mayo win Sam twice!

Coillte_Bhoy

salmocab wrote: »

By all sports he meant football, hurling and camogie.

Ah right, my mistake

ArielAtom

To change to a league based format would be excellent. And by league I would advocate a full league format, home and away fixtures and no final. This would be a great format and would see teams travel on a regular basis.

blanch152

seamus wrote: »

Like you say, the provincial cups have been pointless endeavours long before Dublin's current run.

Realistically they should be abandoned in favour of making a bigger feature of the leagues. The top two teams from each of the four leagues go into the super 8s to play it out for semi final places. Randomly drawn, not seeded.

This means that only two of the top four teams in any given year have a shot at the All-Ireland, and will light a fire in support for the GAA amongst the other counties. And for the leagues - if you can't make the All-Ireland without topping your league, then it becomes a much more important competition.

Imagine if the super-8s this year were Kerry, Mayo, Meath, Donegal, Westmeath, Laois, Derry & Leitrim. That's five teams who haven't been in pissing distance of a semi final (never mind a final) in years.

Sure it might end up most of the time being a final between the Div1 winners, but that's the way it is now, except that the entire super 8s are usually dominated by Div 1 teams.

With the law of unintended consequences, if you lost your first two Division 1 games, you would be better off throwing the rest so that you can easily win Division 2 next year and get into the Super 8s then, as you would have no chance in the current year.

A nice idea but fatally flawed.

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Maybe we should just award Sam Maguire to the League winners. Would solve a few problems. Could change the current AI to some other name. At this stage, the League is far more competitive.

The current AI has so many problems that its almost beyond fixing. And others have noted, the premier competition in most sports is based around a league format.

Cue end-of-year claims that Mayo are the real All-Ireland champions.

blanch152

ArielAtom wrote: »

To change to a league based format would be excellent. And by league I would advocate a full league format, home and away fixtures and no final. This would be a great format and would see teams travel on a regular basis.

I don't think any Dub would have a problem with this.

ToBeFrank123

blanch152 wrote: »

With the law of unintended consequences, if you lost your first two Division 1 games, you would be better off throwing the rest so that you can easily win Division 2 next year and get into the Super 8s then, as you would have no chance in the current year.

A nice idea but fatally flawed.



Cue end-of-year claims that Mayo are the real All-Ireland champions.

No-one is claiming that.

The current AI is beyond fixing. So much tinkering to get something that works but its fatally flawed by the huge differences in standards.

There's been a lot of talk of a tiered competition. The league is a tiered competition. Just go with it being the premier competition. I like Ariel's idea of home and away too.

There can still be AI semi finals and finals.

I think the current AI has had its day for the reasons given. Too many one sided and nothing games. Maybe have a separate competition with provincial winners playing off. Maybe even remove the division 1 sides from this other competition.

In summary, make the league the premier competition.

Coillte_Bhoy

ArielAtom wrote: »

To change to a league based format would be excellent. And by league I would advocate a full league format, home and away fixtures and no final. This would be a great format and would see teams travel on a regular basis.

Doesnt make much sense tbh, and it wouldnt work though with an amatuer sport, once a teams chances are gone why would they bother for the rest of the league? Inter county is a representative game not a game in itself.

ArielAtom

blanch152 wrote: »

I don't think any Dub would have a problem with this.

Totally agree, better depth in a squad will suit a longer league campaign.

salmocab

Amazingly when we had a changes in the GAA thread all that was talked about was Dublin. Now people are talking about changes in the GAA in the Dublin Dominance thread.

ToBeFrank123

salmocab wrote: »

Amazingly when we had a changes in the GAA thread all that was talked about was Dublin. Now people are talking about changes in the GAA in the Dublin Dominance thread.

Its all inter-related to be fair ie huge gaps between counties and the dominance of a small number of counties.

ArielAtom

salmocab wrote: »

Amazingly when we had a changes in the GAA thread all that was talked about was Dublin. Now people are talking about changes in the GAA in the Dublin Dominance thread.

Once it keeps it out of all the other threads I’m all for it

gaffer91

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Its a facile comparison. Anyway while some of the older Dublin fans might walk away i think there wouldnt be the same issues with younger fans and going forward the new Dublin teams would built up large support bases pretty quickly and a keen rivalry wouldn't be long developing

Yeah I completely agree that most Dublin fans would quickly row in behind their new teams- they may whinge initially but would ultimately come to terms with it.

Splitting Dublin wouldn't destroy the inter-county game; in fact it would enhance it as it would help to mitigate the damage done by the unfair advantages currently bestowed upon Dublin, at the expense of every other county.

Even if we were somehow mistaken on this, which is very unlikely, it's much more likely, almost certain, that the inter-county game will be destroyed by Dublin continuing to dominate due to their unfair advantages.

Again, the Leinster championship is a very useful historical lesson here- the All Ireland will soon become like that unless the unfair advantages Dublin have are remedied. Splitting Dublin is the only real solution as other things like playing away from home more, reducing games development funds towards normal would probably not make enough difference as Dublin have been financially doped for so long (and will continue to enjoy a huge population advantage even if funding is equalised).

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Tipperary should always have been split into north and south ridings. Let's see how All Irelands they'd win that way!

Tobecontinu

Ah lads, is this true? 16 million more for Dublin than Kerry! No wonder this game will be one sided on Sunday!




https://twitter.com/SeanMcGoldrick1/status/959548617701969922?s=20

salmocab

Splitting Dublin would destroy the inter county game as then it’s no longer inter county. Dubs would then be the only ones not able to represent their county. Are we only talking football or do people envisage all games at all levels? Two county boards or four. Can anyone imagine how much money it would cost to set up more county boards especially ones with nowhere to play.
Regardless of all the discussion however it won’t be happening as the Dublin county board would never agree to it even in the unlikely event it made it to Congress. This is all just wishful thinking on some people’s part.

gaffer91

Tobecontinu wrote: »

Ah lads, is this true? 16 million more for Dublin than Kerry! No wonder this game will be one sided on Sunday!




https://twitter.com/SeanMcGoldrick1/status/959548617701969922?s=20

Sadly all very true my friend. Plus the millions they get from their sponsors.