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Sub 5 minute mile

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,484 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Congrats, great debut! You'll certainly improve with track practice, no doubt about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,418 ✭✭✭Lazare


    Very close. Well ran. You'll crack that target for absolute sure.

    Was trying to guess which one was you yesterday, been following your log with interest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    That 3rd lap is always the tough one. Keeping concentration and pace there is key to a good time. You can't afford to save something for the last lap when doing a time trial. But the good news is that you know 5 mins is achievable - a slightly cooler day, experience, and digging deep on the 3rd lap and you are there. Don't leave it too long to try again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Week 34
    • 09 July - Football training. Minding my ribs so avoiding contact in drills. Session included some good runs - 12 x 50m in 10s w/ 10s recovery, including a doubleback at 25m. Also 10 minutes of 50 m hard, 90 m easy. For domestic time juggling reasons I've not made it to football since so it meant I could do a little more running at least.
    • 11 July - 4.5km easy/moderate - 17:43 Was hoping to 17:43. Was hoping for a full medium intensity run here but the legs were definitely still tired from the speed work with the football team 2 days ago.
    • 12 July - 6.7 km easy - 28 mins on grass/track
    • 14 July - Mile race- 05:06 Including a 2 km warm up

    Not quite hitting my goal in the mile race I was determined to up it a notch this week. Especially with no football planned for another week at least.

    Week 35
    • 15 July - Intervals on grass - 15x45 w/ 30 secs recovery Total distance including including warm-up/down 7.5 km. Hard pace approximately: 5 - 5:15 mile pace I think (again using google maps :o ) I know I should really check these distances properly. Without getting a chance to visit a track I'll struggle to quantify these properly. Might treat myself to a fancy watch at Christmas.
    • 16 July - Long run - 9 kms easy - 39:10 Legs v tired from day before. Humid overcast day (21 degrees) but lovely to run easy in.
    • 17 July - 3.5 km - very easy - 16 minsNo problem running slow here.
    • 19 July - Hill progressions 12 reps increasing pace by 2 secs every 2 reps. On track. Bit of of a made up drill but I enjoyed it. Approx 7m incline over 210 metres so not a monster. Reps were [44,45, 43,43, 41,41, 40,39, 36,37, 34,35] off 1:20-1:30 rest. After rep 12 and a 2 minute rest I decided to do a 13th - [32 secs].
    • 20 July - 6.7 km easy - 29 mins Easy run here but after about 12 mins I decided to do a 3 x 2 minute tempos with 2 mins rest in the middle of the run. Felt the legs were tired during the 3rd so didn't kick on as I didn't want to overdo it.

    33.7 kms for last week. That's definitely a weekly record.

    I only log 3 kms for any day I do football as I've no idea of the distances typically covered.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    5 days running last week was a lot for me and I definitely felt it in the legs this week. Championship is back this weekend and I haven't been at football training due to timetable clashes which allowed me to get some good runs in in the last 3 or so weeks.

    I'm hopeful I won't be starting Saturday or I could end up regretting putting in a heavy session last night. I borrowed a trundle wheel from work and measured out 400 m on a tarmac track near home. I'd decided to do a long overdue 10 x 400m.

    Week 36
    • 22 July - 4.65 km moderate - 17:29
    • 23 July - Long run - 9 kms easy - 39:10 - Very hot running mid afternoon
    • 25 July - 10 x 400s - Very tough workout. It could be cumulative fatigue. I also had to walk half of my 2 km warm down jogging back home. I was carrying the trundle wheel too which probably made the cool down a little more awkward. After the rigmarole of measuring out with the trundle wheel I forgot that I was to start with 90sec recoveries and ended up starting with 60sec, so this is what probably killed me most. After 6 reps I copped on that this may be why I was struggling so much and went back to 90 secs, otherwise the times would have run away further northwards. (Rounding - 75, 73, 74, 76, 75, 75,[back to 1:30 rest] 77, 76, 76, 72)
    • Plan 27 July - Football match
    • Plan 28 July - 6.5 km easy


    I've a eye on the Dublin graded meet on August 7th but not confident I'll be able to make it (depends on how the championship pans out among other things I guess), we'll see. If I do register would I be best saying I am part of a club or not?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Small landmark for me too. Using 3 kms for matches and training I decided to work it out.

    I passed 500 annual kms last week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,825 ✭✭✭IvoryTower


    If that 400 session is even close to accurate I would say you're in sub 5 shape. Will you make the last graded meet?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    IvoryTower wrote: »
    If that 400 session is even close to accurate I would say you're in sub 5 shape. Will you make the last graded meet?

    Too early to know for sure but I really hope so.

    The last time I did the 400s was March and I feel I handled them better back then (on a running track). Then again my legs were certainly fresher for the March session and I did most of them off 90 secs recovery. My weekly mileage is much higher now too though, hence the fatigue, so I'm hopeful my endurance will be much improved.

    As Sacksian said though, I guess I won't know until I race.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    The run that started it all was my 4.65 km out-and-back lunchtime route from work. This was the run that had me looking at my minutes per mile pace and was the genesis of my 5 minute mile target.

    I had always wanted to complete it in under 17 minutes and finally managed it :)


    After a hard couple of weeks following the Day of PBs the week gone by was always going to have a few more rests and easy runs in there.

    Week 36
    • 29 July - 9.05 kms - long run, easy/moderate. 37 mins
    • 31 July - 4.65 kms moderate/hard. 16:54. Half the road had been resurfaced since I last ran which probably aided a couple more seconds. Overcast day and legs not tired so I decided I'd have a go at this. I've got 4 splits on this route. The first was over by about 3 seconds but the last 3 splits were all under as I finished hard. Intermediate goal achieved. :D I don't like to be extrapolating too optimistically but I might actually be close to an 18 minute 5 k.
    • 01 Aug - Football training
    • 03 Aug - 10 x 400s off 1 min rest [74, 75, 74, 75, 75, 75, 74, 74, 76, 72] - Wanted another crack at this as I was disappointed last week at how shagged I was doing them. Did my best to pace the first few better. Still a bloody tough workout though but I managed to maintain only the minute rest in between.
    • 04 Aug - 6.7 km easy - 29 mins

    So, next round of the Championship is this Thursday I'm going to have to give the graded mile in Dublin a miss.

    I'm determined to have a crack at the mile sooner rather than later though so with missing that I might have to borrow the track in Navan and bring along a supporter or two to help me round. I just better not get injured in the meantime.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    I'm new to all this training plan stuff and truth be told still don't have a set training plan in mind myself. I've been letting my body and head guide me for the most part with "what do I feel capable of doing today" being my plan for a lot of days.

    Fusitive made a very interesting post here and it's given me pause for reflection.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058004839

    I can see I never did any specific base building but have been slowly trying to up my workout distances and durations. As for intense workouts, I've been doing at least 1-2 intense workouts per week for about 13 or 14 weeks since I started feeling healthy again. I don't feel I've been overdoing it but want to be careful I don't burn out. Apart from my health set back a few months back I'm thankful I've no new injuries to report.

    We are into the quarters finals in the football now even with one group game left. The championship could last for another 4-8 weeks depending on how we get on. I think I might ease off on the intense workouts until the football finishes for now as I'm even finding the legs are a little tired before I even kick a ball (like today). But I will keep up long runs and recovery runs to complement the speed work I'll do around the football. Hopefully that will be enough for me to get over the line.

    When the football is over I'll be formally hanging up the boots and will hopefully focus on running a bit more. I may even buy a running book or two for some winter reading.

    Assuming I haven't overdone the training I'll have one or 2 more cracks at the mile (albeit outside of a race) in the next month.


    Week 37
    • 06 Aug - 4 x 3 minute tempos at 6 min/m pace approx. 28 minutes running. 6.7 kms
    • 07 Aug - Football training
    • 08 Aug - Football match
    • 09 Aug - 6.6 km easy/moderate. Contained two 3.1 kms splits. 1st in 12:20. 2nd in 11:27 (equates to 18:30 5k pace approx.)
    • 11 Aug - Intervals - 20 x 40 secs hard with 30 seconds rest. Total distance 7.2 km. 30 minutes. First time doing a full 20 of these so I was delighted. Hit a nice rhythm through the middle ones. Last 2 or 3 were a bit messy but I was adding to my planned running route so not concentrating on form as much as where I was going.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    05:05

    Exactly a month to the day since the day of PBs I hit the asphalt outside work again. I was quietly hoping I'd surprise myself and come in under the 5 but it was not to be on this occasion.

    The hard thing about this route is that I don't have any splits to hit so am running completely by feel. The only real waypoint I have is the top of the humpback bridge which is at around 280 m to go so I'll glance at the watch there hoping to be between the 4:00 to 4:10 mark. I was at 4:12 today.

    Post run musing - what is the change of elevation on my route? Turns out its a 17 feet rise over the mile. According to the aptly named Jack Daniels (https://runnersconnect.net/hill-running-training/) - apparently every 10 feet of elevation alters your time by 1.74 seconds. So the elevation change may be costing me 1.9 seconds. Darn, still not enough :D

    I did 20x40 second intervals 3 days ago and had a recovery run the day after followed by a rest day yesterday. The legs didn't feel tired today but I still wonder if there was a little fatigue holding me back. Anyway, as I mentioned yesterday, I'm going to hold back on the intense stuff for the next couple of weeks but will be giving the mile another go, preferably at a track so I can check my splits and have a bit of support.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭MY BAD


    Would you race this?
    https://griffithavenuemile.ie/


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,807 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    Would you race this?
    https://griffithavenuemile.ie/

    If that's a mile in one direction towards Marino it will be fast, slightly downhill all the way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Actually I spotted a typo in my previous post. The 17 feet elevation equates to 2.9 secs/mile (not 1.9). So if I changed direction and ran back to the office as opposed to away from it my 5:05 could be 4:59. It's that easy :pac:

    I might feel like a bit of a fraud though if it panned out that way. Anyway, my plan is to get to a track this week or next.

    Cheers for the heads up on that race Mellow, it might be far enough off that the football is concluded at that stage. And downhill too...


    Week 38
    • 12 Aug - 6.2 km easy. 29:30
    • 14 Aug - 1 mile attempt. 5:05 5 kms total running
    • 15 Aug - Football training A few sprints in here. Could feel a bit of a twinge in my quad during these.
    • 17 Aug - 5.5 km easy. (3.5 kms on grass). 24 minutes
    • 18 Aug - Mixed Moderate run. 9.2 kms. 41 minutes. Two 3.1 km splits [11:54, 11:38]. The two 3.1 km splits started with a 4 minute tempo at 5:40/m pace. Finished with a very slow 2.6 km recovery.

    I couldn't keep my promise and take all my runs easy in the week, but I had missed football training on the morning of the 18th to mind the kids so wanted to get the heart rate up a bit. Feeling the quad a little here though more so during the warm down but I'm sure its just a little strain.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭MY BAD


    I'm not a mile racer but I think I'll do this one. It depends where you're based and mid week so it might suit if you play football on weekends
    http://www.popupraces.ie/race/ray-flynn-mile-2019/


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,807 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    Actually I spotted a typo in my previous post. The 17 feet elevation equates to 2.9 secs/mile (not 1.9). So if I changed direction and ran back to the office as opposed to away from it my 5:05 could be 4:59. It's that easy :pac:

    I might feel like a bit of a fraud though if it panned out that way. Anyway, my plan is to get to a track this week or next.

    Cheers for the heads up on that race Mellow, it might be far enough off that the football is concluded at that stage. And downhill too...


    Week 38
    • 12 Aug - 6.2 km easy. 29:30
    • 14 Aug - 1 mile attempt. 5:05 5 kms total running
    • 15 Aug - Football training A few sprints in here. Could feel a bit of a twinge in my quad during these.
    • 17 Aug - 5.5 km easy. (3.5 kms on grass). 24 minutes
    • 18 Aug - Mixed Moderate run. 9.2 kms. 41 minutes. Two 3.1 km splits [11:54, 11:38]. The two 3.1 km splits started with a 4 minute tempo at 5:40/m pace. Finished with a very slow 2.6 km recovery.

    I couldn't keep my promise and take all my runs easy in the week, but I had missed football training on the morning of the 18th to mind the kids so wanted to get the heart rate up a bit. Feeling the quad a little here though more so during the warm down but I'm sure its just a little strain.

    Looks like the Griffith Ave mile is one direction. You'd be following in some great footsteps! It's a smashing avenue and is undoubtedly fast.

    https://griffithavenuemile.ie/history-of-the-race


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    I'm not a mile racer but I think I'll do this one. It depends where you're based and mid week so it might suit if you play football on weekends
    http://www.popupraces.ie/race/ray-flynn-mile-2019/

    Reading through your log there, you've got some nice mile repeats in there at decent clips.

    If you ran that one yourself what'd be your plan? Are you hoping to post a particular time or just using it as a training run? It's an awkward time and location for me so won't be heading to it myself.

    The Griffith Ave run looks very tempting but might clash with the CShip semi final if we get that far. I might register just in case it sells out anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭MY BAD


    Reading through your log there, you've got some nice mile repeats in there at decent clips.

    If you ran that one yourself what'd be your plan? Are you hoping to post a particular time or just using it as a training run? It's an awkward time and location for me so won't be heading to it myself.

    The Griffith Ave run looks very tempting but might clash with the CShip semi final if we get that far. I might register just in case it sells out anyway.
    If I run it I'll do it balls out and see what happens. That mile race in Longford is on a Tuesday and I've a 5k race on the Saturday so I'd be using it as sharpener. I haven't done any specific mile work so I'd be thinking 5:10 to 5:15.... (Hoping for faster) Its not a straight mile like Griffith Avenue either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    If I run it I'll do it balls out and see what happens. That mile race in Longford is on a Tuesday and I've a 5k race on the Saturday so I'd be using it as sharpener. I haven't done any specific mile work so I'd be thinking 5:10 to 5:15.... (Hoping for faster) Its not a straight mile like Griffith Avenue either.

    I'm looking forward to seeing how you get on. Good luck!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,825 ✭✭✭IvoryTower


    I've entered Griffith, you have installed mile fever into the athletics forum


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    I saw that. I'll be super relieved when my own fever subsides.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,807 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    I just had a look at the 'course video' on the website and it shows it as an out and back...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,484 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    skyblue46 wrote: »
    I just had a look at the 'course video' on the website and it shows it as an out and back...

    Hmm. The course map shows a route from Dominican College to Ardscoil Rís, which doesn't seem to be quite a mile. Hopefully this will all be clarified.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,484 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Confirmation from organisers that course will be officially measured and will start closer to the airport road end of Griffith Ave than the map suggests. Finish at the Malahide end. No turnabout and slightly downhill from start to finish. Should be a fast one but apparently not eligible for road race records due to the slope!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭Wubble Wubble


    Murph_D wrote: »
    Confirmation from organisers that course will be officially measured and will start closer to the airport road end of Griffith Ave than the map suggests. Finish at the Malahide end. No turnabout and slightly downhill from start to finish. Should be a fast one but apparently not eligible for road race records due to the slope!

    Ah here! If I run this, and go sub-6 I'm taking it :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,484 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    It’s the Jingle Bells of mile races. ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,807 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    Ah here! If I run this, and go sub-6 I'm taking it :pac:

    There must be a difference between a road record and a PB haha


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,807 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    Murph_D wrote: »
    It’s the Jingle Bells of mile races. ;)

    Did you mention that the prevailing wind normally provides some assistance too? ;-)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭Wubble Wubble


    Jaysis at that rate I'll find DG and see if I can hang on to him for a sub-5 attempt :pac:
    Sure it's downhill, short (allegedly), and there'll be a gale behind us. What could go wrong? :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    2nd mile attempt on a track: 05:07

    Disappointed with this but not completely surprised in that I wasn't feeling too hyped about the run beforehand. It was a breezy day yesterday and I'd taken a days leave to do the school run and collections for the first days back. I had a normal mornings breakfast , dropped the kids to school, done a couple of jobs and set off for the track at around 10:30. Around 11 is certainly an unusual time of the day for me to run but that's what I had. The track was breezy (cross wind mostly on the straights) but I figured it wouldn't play that big a part. Warm up done - 2 kms, strides and dynamic stretches. Off I set -
    • Lap 1 - A nice pace, feeling pretty comfortable making sure I don't go out too hard. Cross the line 75 seconds, which included the extra metres. Perfect
    • Lap 2 - So I just need to maintain the same effort level. I was still pretty comfortable but unknowingly dropped my pace. 79 seconds. Okay I don't feel feiced so maybe it's not time to panic yet.
    • Lap 3 - Not panicking I know I need to up the effort level a bit but not blow up. I could still beat 05:05. Not feeling I was redlining but working a bit harder. 78 seconds. Darn it could I have pushed a bit harder on that lap.
    • Lap 4 - Time to really pick it up. Quick look a the watch at around 150 m I knew I was a few seconds up on the previous laps pace. Last 100 m, a flailing mess getting across in 75 seconds. Expected a quicker last lap time than that too considering the pace on the previous 2.

    So there it was. I messed up my pacing. Maybe I was watching it too much. I probably left 2-3 seconds out there yesterday but given how I was feeling beforehand, only 2-3 seconds. No more than that.

    I'd had a match 2 days earlier that I was a little tired the day after but I don't want to be blaming that for underperforming. I had eased off the intense sessions last week as I said I wold. Definitely I could have tried a little harder yesterday but never fully believed it was on so maybe a little mind games at play too.

    Perfect way to get on with it though. I followed up with football training last night which finished with 8*200 m and 4*80 m sprints. Then 4*300 m runs. Legs were as tired last night as they have been in a while. There's still a few months left in 2019 and I hope to get there yet.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,484 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    That was a very admirable attempt but I think you should think of it as a training session. It's so much harder to run at race pace when there's no one to riff off. Hopefully you'll make the Marino mile - if you can keep ticking over between now and then I'd be confident you'll do it with other runners around you to work with. As long as you choose the right ones, of course!

    Good stuff there. You're learning fast! I'm still learning how to run the mile but lap 1 is always fast because of the starting adrenaline. Lap 2 there can be a tendency to slow slightly as you settle in - the trick is to not slow too much. Lap 3 you really just have to HTFU and keep pushing as you start to feel sorry for yourself, and then with lap 4 the knowledge that it's the last one usually helps you open it up and shave off a couple of seconds. So the trick, I suppose, is to get to the end of lap 3 in 3:45 and not leave yourself with too much to do.

    The Marino race of course is on the road so not comparable to a track, but the same principles apply I think. Breaking it down into stages might help.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    The week numbers are starting to get very close to 52 :eek:

    Lucky I set the mile as a 2019 goal and not a 12 month goal.

    Week 39
    • 20 Aug - Football training
    • 21 Aug - 6.7 km easy to moderate - 25:59 mins. Went out brisk enough but comfortable and increased the effort a little as it went on. Happy with the time versus effort level on this run. Worked out at 3:52/km pace
    • 23 Aug - 4 kms moderate on a treadmill. Aim was 4 kms in 16 minutes. Did the 1st km in 5 minutes as a warm up and then upped the speed for the last 3 km which I did in 10:40. That equated to 17:46 for 5 km pace which looks very odd to me so this has me doubting the accuracy of the treadmill or maybe it's just easier to cover distance on a flat surface with no drag. Followed by a light gym and swim.
    • 25 Aug - 3.5 km easy/moderate run - 13:46. Football match tomorrow but hadn't been out in a couple of days so needed a bit of a leg stretch.

    Week 40
    • 26 Aug - Football match Qualified for the 1/4 finals
    • 27 Aug - 6.7 km easy - 27:30
    • 29 Aug AM - 1 mile attempt on a track - 05:07. Splits [75,79,78,75] Pesky wind probably deflated my optimism for this one. 4.5 km total.
    • 29 Aug PM - Football training Included 8*200m and 4*80m sprints
    • 01 Sep - Football training A busy weekend meant I didn't get out for a recovery run after a tough day on the 29th

    So no intervals, hill runs or tempos the last couple of weeks to have a mini recovery and more energy for the football. The 1/4 final looks like being out another couple of weeks so there's a temptation there to put in a couple off tough ones this week and try and hit the track again.

    I've my €15 invested in the Griffith Avenue mile anyway but we'll just have to see how the month pans out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,807 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    I'll run that Griffith Ave mile during the week and put the Garmin elevation trace up here for you...as a little incentive haha


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    @skyblue - Good luck with your own recovery.

    My own ankle is still giving me a little bit of grief still but not enough to hamper my running. It's more when I'm not running, and its obvious my range of motion in it hasn't improved even with the months of training behind me. I'm just thankful I haven't rolled it this year at all and now the football pitches are softening up again I'm hopeful I can survive the football season unscathed. Nearly there now but I intend to have an MRI on it before the year is out.

    Week 41
    • 02 Sep - 9.05 kms easy - 39 mins
    • 03 Aug - 6.6 km very easy - 31 mins.
    • 04 Aug - Missed football training
    • 05 Aug - 4.65 km hard - 16:49. Another PB for this route and second time under 17. Was annoyed at missing training the night before so wanted to give myself a hard run to make up for it.
    • 06 Aug - Football training
    • 07 Aug - 6.6 km easy/moderate - 28 mins Two 3.1 km splits. Easy on the first before picking it up for the second [13:30, 12:00]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,825 ✭✭✭IvoryTower


    im guessing youre the fittest on that team!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    IvoryTower wrote: »
    im guessing youre the fittest on that team!

    Fittest, not fastest :pac:

    I was also always at a disadvantage size wise too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Week 42
    • 09 Sep - 9 kms moderate - 34:37 mins. Long easy run planned. The energy levels didn't feel like they were there today but somehow glimpsing at my watch with around 3 km to go I saw that surprisingly I might be on for a record time for this route and so it turned out, finishing hard for the last km into a headwind. Not the most sensible I know.
    • 10 Sep - Missed football training . No karma for busting a gut the day before. Parental duties meant I missed training this evening.
    • 11 Sep - On grass - 4x400 w/ 200 r/ [75,75, 75, 75], 2x200 w/ 1 min r/ [35,35,34,35], 6x100 w/ 30sec r/ [17, 16, 16, 16, 16, 14]. wanted to do speed work after missing training the night before. The grass certainly made the 400s a lot tougher with the legs burning at the end of each. The 100s weren't as energy sapping on the legs more the chest.
    • 12 Sep - Football training. Wasn't planning on doing sprints two days in a row but that's what happened. This session finished with 12 minutes of 85 m sprints w/ 85 r/. I was fit to throw up after
    • 13 Aug - 4.2 km v. easy - 23 mins - Tower of Loyd Kells . Had NCT in Kells so went for a gentle trail run along the Blackwater before looping around and up to the Tower. Within the first 5 minutes a fly flew into my right eye and about 30 seconds later he was accompanied by one into my left eye so I wasn't taking too much of the view of the river in. They eventually pushed off to the side of my eyes to be removed once I got back to the car, as I headed up to hill towards Loyds Tower. The route from the Blackwater bridge is a forgiving slope and I as rewarded with a plesant sun drenched view as I neared the top. Came back down the hill on a different trail that is perpendicular to the slope, so very glad I didn't chose that route on the way up. Nice evening and didn't meet a sinner on my loop apart from some cows, sheep and the flies.
    • 14 Sep - 5.5 kms easy/moderate - 24:30. 3 middle kms on grass [4:30, 4:20, 3:50]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Squeaky bum time of the season so football has to take priority until next weekend at least, so unfortunately I couldn't make the Griffith Avenue mile.

    Week 43
    • 16 Sep(Monday) - 5 km run - Planned to include 2 x 6 min/m tempos. Actual was [5:55, 5:38]. We we due to have a challenge match on Wednesday day so I wanted to do a short but not too easy a run. 6 x 50 m strides between the two mile runs. Turned out the challenge match was postponed until Sunday so I could have done a bit more. I was determined to put in a decent shift the following day.
    • 17 Sep - On football pitch. Plan 2x800 @MP w/ 3 min r/, 2x400 @ MP w/ 3 min r/ and 4x200 w/ 1.5 min r/. Actual [2:33, 2:33], [1:13, 1:16], [35, 34, 34, 31]. With the game postponed I hit the pitch in my runners. I'm no expert on different running surfaces but I hope the surface was the reason I missed my 800 m target times by 3 seconds each.
    • 18 Sep - Football training
    • 20 Sep - Football training
    • 22 Aug - Football match No running between football training and matches this week. Days were shifted to Wed/Fri as opposed to the usual Tues/Thurs and I wanted to be fresh for the challenge game.

    Quarter final is finally scheduled for next weekend so by my next update I could be finished football wise. (We're playing the favourites.)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Week 44
    • 23 Sep - 9 km run - 34:56 Tired and hamstrings tight today setting out I just tried to focus on a consistent cadence throughout.
    • 25 Sep - Football training Eldest had his own football training beforehand, which I ended up helping out with. The heavens opened and I got soaked due to not having water proofs on. Straight into my dry training gear after which lasted about 20 minutes into training before the heavens opened again. I felt okay though and was hopeful I'd avoid a cold.
    • 26 Sep - 3 miles very easy - 21 mins Very tired and lethargic running today. Is there a cold coming on?
    • 27 Sep - Missed Football training Cold confirmed :mad: Sat out the pre-match run out
    • 28 Sep - Football match 3 of the older gents all had colds. My usual remedy is to load up on red bull which seems to get me through the warm up until my blood is pumping. The ground was boggy and I know I wasn't quite at the races which was a pity for my last game. Received a box to the temple too so I was going around looking like an orangutan afterwards. Lost by 4 points against the favourites but definitely annoyed to finish with a bit of a whimper.

    Still not 100% just yet and the recent weather is not inspiring me to try and shake it off. But on a positive note - No major injuries (apart form the shiner) to report, so all roads lead to me trying to get get this monkey off my back in the coming weeks.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Another setback.

    So the cold was only the start of it. I've been hit with a recurrence of the same non-diagnosed ailment I had back in March. I'm not as bad this week and am determined not to lose my base so after the week that's passed I've managed to get out for some very gentle runs the past 2 days in row. It could be a while before I'm pushing myself again. Or it could be next week. We'll just see where it takes me this time.

    Week 45
    • 02 Oct - 20 min v easy run I was hoping to snap myself out of my malaise with some endorphins/mitochondria. Not feeling well for the last 5 minutes of this though and wiped out when I got home.

    So that was last week, but as I said above I've already done twice as many very easy runs this week so I'm hopeful I'll be back to normal sooner rather than later. I'm going to at least force myself to keep spinning the legs at whatever pace I can manage to keep the fitness from falling off too much.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,484 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Much better off taking a rest than pushing it while under the weather. Give yourself a break!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Cheers Murph. I'm not under the weather though per se. The cold has cleared off at this stage.

    The problem with this ailment, going on previous experience, is it could last a couple of weeks to a few months (first occurrence was in 2015 and lasted about 7 months). I know exercise is not the cause of it and resting doesn't make it dissipate any quicker, having given myself plenty of breaks in the past. My wife was blaming the black eye I got :pac:

    I know what I'm fit for and won't be pushing myself until I'm fit to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,713 ✭✭✭Cartman78


    Just read the last couple of pages of your blog - interesting challenge you've set yourself and something I'm interested in once I get this fupping marathon over with :pac:

    Just on your ailment/health issue - have you had your bloods checked lately?

    Might be worth doing if you haven't already. Was having similar issues this time last year (getting multiple colds, tired, lethargic etc) and it turned out my thyroid had gone out of whack. It's still not 100% now to be honest but symptoms under control.

    Best of luck!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Cartman78 wrote: »
    Just read the last couple of pages of your blog - interesting challenge you've set yourself and something I'm interested in once I get this fupping marathon over with :pac:

    Just on your ailment/health issue - have you had your bloods checked lately?

    Might be worth doing if you haven't already. Was having similar issues this time last year (getting multiple colds, tired, lethargic etc) and it turned out my thyroid had gone out of whack. It's still not 100% now to be honest but symptoms under control.

    Best of luck!

    Been through the health checks - although not in the last 12 months. Health screen, bloods, MRIs, a couple of trial and error meds for example for vertigo. Seen 3 different GPs, a dentist and a neurologist a couple of years back when it first presented itself. I nearly didn't get a mortgage because I honestly divulged the issue to the Mortgage Life Insurance agent, so they made sure I was given a decent MOT.

    I won't go on about it here though as it's the athletics forum. I'd be happier posting in personal health.

    Happy to report though I've no new sports related injuries.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,713 ✭✭✭Cartman78


    Been through the health checks - although not in the last 12 months. Health screen, bloods, MRIs, a couple of trial and error meds for example for vertigo. Seen 3 different GPs, a dentist and a neurologist a couple of years back when it first presented itself. I nearly didn't get a mortgage because I honestly divulged the issue to the Mortgage Life Insurance agent, so they made sure I was given a decent MOT.

    I won't go on about it here though as it's the athletics forum. I'd be happier posting in personal health.

    Happy to report though I've no new sports related injuries.

    OK - sounds like you've got all the bases covered so.

    Wasn't trying to be nosey or anything - I know plenty of fellas can be brutal for not getting themselves checked out.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Feeling close to normal again so have been trying to get back at it. I'm going to try and set out an actual plan (for the first time ever) for myself to follow for the next 3-4 weeks now that I can and see where it lands me.

    A bit of backfill

    Week 46
    • 07 Oct - 27 minutes very easy. No distance logged Feeling a bit better than a week previously. Didn't push my luck. Finished the run and wasn't wiped out
    • 08 Oct - 5 km easy - 21 minutes Encouraged from the night before I decided to do two days in a row. The run was fine but I felt no urge to push any harder than my easy pace. Just glad to be fit to plod along at all.
    • 10 Oct - 4.35 km easy - 19 mins.
    • 12 Oct - 4.35 km easy - 17:21. Definitely finding the strength coming back a bit.

    Week 47
    • 14 Oct - 6.6 km easy/moderate. 26:44 mins. Two 3.1 kms splits. [12:29,12:15]
    • 15 Oct - 4.65 km steady - 18:12 The old work run. Over a minute off my hard pace but I know that's not in the legs just yet
    • 16 Oct - 26 mins very easy run. No distance logged
    • 18 Oct - 9 km moderate - 35:39. A go at a long run. My endurance looks to be okay. Strength almost there. Green light to get back to doing some tempo work I think. Wearing skins today so I think I was overheating a little halfway round which may have slowed me a little too, so very happy with the time.
    • 19 Oct - 14 x 40 secs hard 30 secs recovery - 28 minutes running Did as many as I was fit for. The last one was almost at my house so the warm down was a very slow 5 minute jog. Delighted to be fit for these. No idea if my pace was good but the effort was. Out 5 from 7 days. A very good week by my standards.

    Best of luck to the DCM runners this weekend. I've to be in the office for a a little while on Bank Holiday Monday. I should mind but I've got all those race reports to look forward to :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Week 48
    • 21 Oct - 6 km run followed by 4 x 330 m Hills times [62, 64, 63, 62] Work took me to Dublin for the morning then my wife had a scan in the afternoon so I'd business going back out to the office. Plan was 10 x hills in the Phoenix Park. I did a 2.5 k warm-up as I jogged around looking for a hill to tackle. Settled on Military road from the bottom to a distance that turned out to be 330 m. I was stretching before tackling my first hill when I'm recognised by a friend and decide to join hims for a chat over a couple of kms. By the time I'm back to my start point I've done an extra 3.5 km so this may be what wrote me off. I knew after the 2nd that'd I wouldn't get near the 10 so pushed myself to keep the remaining times constant. The length and incline of the hill no doubt were factors also. Still though the scan went well and baby looking healthy at 20 odd weeks plus I got to have a very rare run in the Park so this was a very good day.
    • 24 Oct - 4.65 km moderate/hard- 16:54. Two days rest and wanted so see if I'm back to my previous level of a month or so ago. Was aiming for a mid 17s run here with a moderate effort so set off from the start with that in mind. No kick finish but the effort level was hard for the last mile or so to try and keep my pace consistent. Pleasantly surprised to come in under 17 minutes so hopefully I'm not in too bad of shape and can actually draw up a plan from next week to follow.
    • 25 Oct - 9 km long run - 34:57. Cold day but felt comfortable for the most part, digging in for the last km
    • 27 Oct - 3.5 km moderate - 13:08. It was hard to get time to get out this week so just a quick steady run before bed.

    So my rough plan for the next few weeks -
    Monday - Hills
    Tuesday - recovery run
    Wednesday - Long Run (8-10 km for me)
    Thursday - rest
    Friday - Intervals or some Milepace workouts
    Saturday or Sunday - Medium run (3-5 km)

    Lets see how disciplined I am in sticking to this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Plan was -
    Monday - Hills
    Tuesday - recovery run
    Wednesday - Long Run (8-10 km for me)
    Thursday - rest
    Friday - Intervals or some Milepace workouts
    Saturday or Sunday - Medium run (3-5 km)

    Week 49
    • 28 Oct - 10 x 180m Hills w/ 70 sec recovery [35, 35, 35, 36, 36, 35, 35, 35, 34, 34] 2 km warm-up and 2 km cool down
    • 29 Oct - 5 km recovery run - 21.5 mins
    • 30 Oct - 10 km long run - 39:50 Spotted the round numbers thread in the main forum so decided to up my usual 9 km run to 10 km to see if a sub 40 was doable on my long run. Expected it to be easier going but knew I'd have to push more than I planned for the last 2 kms to nip under the time. Last 2 km were done in 3:39/km pace.
    • 01 Oct - 17 x Intervals (40 secs hard with 03 secs jog)
    • 03 Oct - 6.7 km easy - 28:30

    Similar plan for this week


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Looking at ALSAA Mile race on December 3rd. Been in contact with the organisers to see about registering. So it's just a case of turning up on the day to register. Thanks IvoryTower for making me aware of this.

    There's a pseudo symmetry here as it will coincide roughly with week 52 from when I started off. It is also after my current 4 week plan which was 4 weeks but I'll stretch to 5 weeks now.

    Ran a moderate 3.5 km in 12:58 last night and felt good throughout. Obviously well off 5 minute mile pace but I'm taking that as a good sign that I'm progressing on the endurance front as that's the first time I've ever run that route in under 13 minutes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,825 ✭✭✭IvoryTower


    just to be aware on the same night is an indoor mile at the nia live https://embed.futureticketing.ie/c/sportirelandcampusevents/ . the big difference there is there'll be no wind

    I would love to run either but I have Jingle Bells on the 7th so I think i'll run the mile in the following NIA live later in December


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