Irish Youtuber - cold shower punishment for 2 yr old

Mam of 4 · 19-08-2019 12:44PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

He is a professor of child psychology. And a parent.

Can you at least see even if you don't agree with him that HIS opinion and its weight might convince a parent to do it.

People reported this family to the authorities for this they are being hounded online for basically following the advice of an expert.

It just so happens random people online disagree with his expert opinion and want to harass this family.

That is what its coming across as.

Guess what you just might be wrong.

So if he said that tying the childs hands together to stop her from removing her nappy and smearing the excrement everywhere , you think the parents should do that just because a Professional said it ?

Wtf happened to common sense

ILoveYourVibes · 19-08-2019 12:44PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

How do you know they were following the advice of this specific expert or are you just assuming?
Did you miss the bit where said expert also said he doesn't recommend it as a form of punishment?

it is important to make sure the cleaning process is at least neutral and possibly mildly unpleasant (eg so the child associates cold water with smearing and thus is motivated to avoid the behaviour in the future)."

There are probably other experts giving the same advice. Other psychologists etc.

Perhaps it was her own GP.
It probably wasn't some random person online though.

ILoveYourVibes · 19-08-2019 12:45PM

Mam of 4 wrote: »

S

Wtf happened to common sense

Where is your common sense?

You are an adult woman.

andekwarhola · 19-08-2019 12:45PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

It was a child psychologist who gave the advise.

Dr John Sharry adjunct professor of UCD.

I think he knows his stuff.

I think people owe that family an apology.

Bolding your arrant nonsense for extra emphasis doesn't mean I'll be engaging with it. Just a little heads up for you there.

SusieBlue · 19-08-2019 12:45PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

It was a child psychologist who gave the advise.

Dr John Sharry adjunct professor of UCD.

I think he knows his stuff.

I think people owe that family an apology.

Because of the opinion of one expert? Who also stated it shouldn't be used as punishment, thus contradicting your point?

What about the hundreds of articles and studies that state its not recommended and borderline abusive? Do you owe us an apology, because those articles exist?

Lets not forget that just a few posts ago you were stating this was average, normal toddler behaviour that all children engage in, which was proven to be completely false.

Mam of 4 · 19-08-2019 12:46PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Where is your common sense?

You are an adult woman.

Apparently it must be in the same place as yours by all accounts .

ILoveYourVibes · 19-08-2019 12:47PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Because of the opinion of one expert? Who also stated it shouldn't be used as punishment, thus contradicting your point?

What about the hundreds of articles and studies that state its not recommended and borderline abusive? Do you owe us an apology, because those articles exist?

Lets not forget that just a few posts ago you were stating this was average, normal toddler behaviour that all children engage in, which was proven to be completely false.

Ha

He told people to use cold showers.

Sorry I will go with the Professor of child psychology in UCD if you don't mind .

ILoveYourVibes · 19-08-2019 12:49PM

Mam of 4 wrote: »

Apparently it must be in the same place as yours by all accounts .

No no. Mine is right intact thank you.

Now will you consider for a moment that this family has been reported by a some account at least to the NSPCC ???

For following expert advice ?? What a waste of the time of the NSPCC.

And will people following their channel maybe consider that your behavior is a little over the top?

To put it mildly.

Will people just NOT watch them if you don't like them.

And there are plenty of cases of REAL abuse let the authorities put their money and time into those.

SusieBlue · 19-08-2019 12:52PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Hahahahahaaaa

He told people to use cold showers.

Sorry I will go with the Professor of child psychology in UCD if you don't mind .

You don't seem to care what sources you use to prove your point so long as it aligns with your own opinion. Just a few pages ago you were using a parenting blog post as "proof" that you were right.

So I don't know why you seem to think you have some sort of moral highground because of the contraticting opinion of ONE psychologist.

Sardonicat · 19-08-2019 12:53PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Where is your common sense?

You are an adult woman.

You advocated several times in this thread that slapping children for toilet accidents is perfectly OK. Yet you haven't bothered to comment on this experts opinion that punishing a child for an incident like this in anyway can be psychologically harmful.

You also failed to note that he does not recommend the cold shower technique himself outright. He hides behind 'some parents recommend ' . A disingenuous way of distancing himself from something he knew would be controversial but probably doesn't believe it to be himself. The vast majority of people would consider this abusive, psychologists or no,t and I think he knew that so worded it carefully shield himself from criticism

Other clinical psychologist in the past have recommended clitoradectomies on little girls who masterbated. Was that not abuse because an expert or two advocated it?

ILoveYourVibes · 19-08-2019 12:55PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

You advocated several times in this thread that slapping children for toilet accidents is perfectly OK. Yet you haven't bothered to comment on this experts opinion that punishing a child for an incident like this in anyway can be psychologically harmful.

You also failed to note that he does not recommend the cold shower technique himself outright. He hides behind 'some parents recommend ' . A disingenuous way of distancing himself from something he knew would be controversial but probably doesn't believe it to be himself. The vast majority of people would consider this abusive, psychologists or no,t and I think he knew that so worded it carefully shield himself from criticism

Other clinical psychologist in the past have recommended clitoradectomies on little girls who masterbated. Was that not abuse because an expert or two advocated it?

you didn't read the whole article

he does advocate it

Mam of 4 · 19-08-2019 12:56PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

No no. Mine is right intact thank you.

Now will you consider for a moment that this family has been reported by a some account at least to the NSPCC ???

For following expert advice ?? What a waste of the time of the NSPCC.

And will people following their channel maybe consider that your behavior is a little over the top?

To put it mildly.

Will people just NOT watch them if you don't like them.

And there are plenty of cases of REAL abuse let the authorities put their money and time into those.

My behaviour is over the top ?
That's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time

I'm out of this , as you don't seem to want people's opinions on the subject , you just want others to accept what you're saying and to leave it at that .
But maybe I'm reading you all wrong as I've no common sense

Professor Moriarty · 19-08-2019 12:59PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

You advocated several times in this thread that slapping children for toilet accidents is perfectly OK. Yet you haven't bothered to comment on this experts opinion that punishing a child for an incident like this in anyway can be psychologically harmful.

You also failed to note that he does not recommend the cold shower technique himself outright. He hides behind 'some parents recommend ' . A disingenuous way of distancing himself from something he knew would be controversial but probably doesn't believe it to be himself. The vast majority of people would consider this abusive, psychologists or no,t and I think he knew that so worded it carefully shield himself from criticism

Other clinical psychologist in the past have recommended clitoradectomies on little girls who masterbated. Was that not abuse because an expert or two advocated it?

It's more ignorance than abuse. Not so long ago, a well-known Irish clinical psychologist suggested that autism was just a theory and was caused by dysfunctional parenting.

Sardonicat · 19-08-2019 01:01PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

you didn't read the whole article

he does advocate it

I did read the whole article. I advocates it passively by stating that some parents recommend it.

Did you? You're so impressed with his recommendations I presume you no longer believe it's OK to lightly slap a little girl who wet her knickers?

lertsnim · 19-08-2019 01:02PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Here is the video

You can judge for yourself. Tell me what you think actually.

She seems like a kind lady to me to do anything too mean. Maybe I am fooled.

Very fake like any of the other vloggers I've seen. ****ty accent on her too.

ILoveYourVibes · 19-08-2019 01:04PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

You don't seem to care what sources you use to prove your point so long as it aligns with your own opinion. Just a few pages ago you were using a parenting blog post as "proof" that you were right.

So I don't know why you seem to think you have some sort of moral highground because of the contraticting opinion of ONE psychologist.

He is adjunct professor of psychology of UCD.

ILoveYourVibes · 19-08-2019 01:05PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

I did read the whole article. I advocates it passively by stating that some parents recommend it.

Did you? You're so impressed with his recommendations I presume you no longer believe it's OK to lightly slap a little girl who wet her knickers?

He never said anything like that.

And i didn't either.

You come slightly ..nuts.

Sardonicat · 19-08-2019 01:10PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

A very light smack yes.

Anything more no.

That in response to me saying would it be OK for a parent to beat a child for the pooh smearing.

shesty · 19-08-2019 01:12PM

If they are stupid enough to put something like that on the internet-particularly concerning their kids-then honestly, they deserve the reaction they got.They might be wonderful parents, but intentionally cold showering a two year old for messing with poo is just.....mind-boggling.There are a lot of other ways this could be dealt with.

If they were power-hosing a dog for peeing in the house, people would be justifiably angry.Why is it different if it's their kid?

ILoveYourVibes · 19-08-2019 01:12PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

That in response to me saying would it be OK for a parent to beat a child for the pooh smearing.

Deliberate Poor smearing. Not wetting her pants by accident.

You are twisting words and I am not even sure you are lucid to the fact you are doing it.

ILoveYourVibes · 19-08-2019 01:15PM

shesty wrote: »

If they are stupid enough to put something like that on the internet-particularly concerning their kids-then honestly, they deserve the reaction they got.They might be wonderful parents, but intentionally cold showering a two year old for messing with poo is just.....mind-boggling.There are a lot of other ways this could be dealt with.

If they were power-hosing a dog for peeing in the house, people would be justifiably angry.Why is it different if it's their kid?

Its the advice from an adjunct professor of psychology in UCD Dr John Sharry who wrote said advice in the Irish times.

He advocates cold showers to stop poo smearing.

it is important to make sure the cleaning process is at least neutral and possibly mildly unpleasant (eg so the child associates cold water with smearing and thus is motivated to avoid the behaviour in the future)."

His very words. It should be at least mildly unpleasant.

Did it not occur to people maybe you guys are the ones with the issues not this family?

You have accused them of abuse.

Its not their fault. Its YOUR fault.

You jumped to conclusions. You lost the plot. And to whomever reported them and made videos etc

Its a train wreck.

Its on you not them.

Sardonicat · 19-08-2019 01:17PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I was slapped for not making it to the bathroom on time as a kid and i wet my pants so i was slapped for not being careful and taking time to go.

I was never abused as a kid.

I was about 3 or 4. My mother was a wonderful mother and not an abuser.

I would far rather have a mother like her than one who wrapped me in cotton wool too.

Its shame how far the law has gone now.

Yep. It's a shame we can't hit our kids in Ireland for wetting their pants.

Bredabe · 19-08-2019 01:18PM

Never anything but cold water for washing when I was growning up, as long as its not freezing cold I dont see the issue. Its the penality part of the post that concerns me.

ILoveYourVibes · 19-08-2019 01:19PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

Yep. It's a shame we can't hit our kids in Ireland for wetting their pants.

Is it ok. I never said that.

You are the one with the issue clearly.

Sardonicat · 19-08-2019 01:19PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Deliberate Poor smearing. Not wetting her pants by accident.

You are twisting words and I am not even sure you are lucid to the fact you are doing it.

Throughout this thread you have called me an idiot, nuts and now I'm not lucid. Anymore insults you want to add?

Sardonicat · 19-08-2019 01:20PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Is it ok. I never said that.

You are the one with the issue clearly.

You clearly can't read your own posts.

ILoveYourVibes · 19-08-2019 01:22PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

Throughout this thread you have called me an idiot, nuts and now I'm not lucid. Anymore insults you want to add?

I said you were not lucid to the fact that you twist words as you just did there.

Or maybe you are.

Stop twisting my words. Stop lying.

ILoveYourVibes · 19-08-2019 01:22PM

OSI wrote: »

I love that you keep emphasising this point. I have a funny feeling you don't know what an adjunct professor is.

Its a calling card.

ILoveYourVibes · 19-08-2019 01:23PM

Wow some people don't like being called on their stuff.

Sardonicat · 19-08-2019 01:24PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I said you were not lucid to the fact that you twist words as you just did there.

Or maybe you are.

Stop twisting my words. Stop lying.

I'm re posting your words directly
. You are trying to twist them yourself.

Irish Youtuber - cold shower punishment for 2 yr old

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