The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Can the dubs supporters please give a straight yes or no on this

Was the money allocated to Dublin a significant favor in their recent success

Yes or no??

No.
The structure, planning and USE of those funds has been a key part of recent success.
Funds have been used wisely, management are top notch, the squad of players have incredible drive.
Money cannot buy class.
Without that any amount of funds would mean little.
Google 'Parnell's GAA money'

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/airport-pays-23m-for-21-acres-near-planned-metro-1.893590?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fbusiness%2Fcommercial-property%2Fairport-pays-23m-for-21-acres-near-planned-metro-1.893590

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=24847.0

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/a-spectacular-reversal-of-fortune-28955015.html

Keep the answers coming folks

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Keep the answers coming folks

Interesting Ewan McKenna used a similar phrase not so long ago ... in that goading know-it-all fashion.

https://twitter.com/EwanMacKenna/status/1160838495411326977

Great minds and all that....folks

In case the tweet is deleted -

Lucy8080 wrote: »

Kerry played 35 in row Munster finals between 1958 and 1992. They contested 8 of the naughties All-Ireland finals and won five.

They are in their fourth Final this decade( a period of transition for Kerry) and still managed to be winners in 2014! 12 finals in two decades!

Who knows whats coming in the next few years with their new/latest crop off the production line?

To paraphrase Kieran Donaghy-

"What do ya think of that Ewan Mckenna?"

Kerry are also top of list of semi finals and finals lost as well.
Not poor auld Mayo.

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

For the record I am NOT ewan mck lol

Oh I never said you were. That is against boards.ie charter rules to speculate on the identity of a poster.
I am merely pointing out you have like minded people to support you on twitter... who make equally cogent comments.

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Can the dubs supporters please give a straight yes or no on this
Was the money allocated to Dublin a significant factor in their recent success
Yes or no??

It's yes and no. I would say it was a catalyst, in the chemical sense of the word. In that it unlocked the potential that was always there within Dublin GAA.

That does not mean financial doping. Dublin were like a BMW with no oil in the engine. The money was the oil not the BMW - unlike say Man City, who bought the BMW and the oil. The engine is going now as it should have been decades ago.

We should realistically expect Dublin to be there or thereabouts every season in the mix for All Ireland football titles, even if all funding was cut off tomorrow (not saying it should be). Like Kerry are in football and Kilkenny are in hurling. I don't see it destroying the game, I think a territorial based amateur game is facing new challenges in the 21st century such as players commuting and the level of commitment versus previous generations, but that is a major challenge regardless of who is winning the All Ireland. The distribution of money from the Sky Sports deal for example should go to the teams who play in the matches, unlike the FTA deal.

In football Dublin should be winning at least 3-5 a decade. At times with the right manager and a top generation, as they currently have, the potential to win multiples in a row.
At hurling at least a title a decade - and it's a good thing for the GAA to have another hurling county challenging for the title.

The GAA shouldn't go back to the 90s, they should maintain the development funding for Dublin at a level that takes into account both their player base AND population base (for games participation funding). Ditto for Cork.

They should also be looking at looking at what other counties\regions need a catalyst or are facing especially challenging circumstances - commuter counties, border counties, enclaves up the north etc If that means re-allocating some GDOs from outer Dublin to Kildare, Meath, Louth, Wicklow that would be less drastic to redundancies.

I found thia page interesting as well it is linked to dominance of GAA it lists teams who did the double

- League and Championship /Hurling-Football Championship

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Double_(Gaelic_games)

Kerry did it in football (L+C) - 04 - 06 - 09 with thier exceptional recent crop

Dublin did it in football (L+C) - 13 - 15 - 18 with thier exceptional recent crop

Cork did it in football (L+C) - 2010 before they destroyed thier exceptional crop

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I don’t want to focus on personalities.

The main thing we need to debate is the sheer amount of money pumped into Dublin over the last 15

Not arguing the toss over whether someone is modest or not.

That is where you are extremely wrong.
A manager is a refection of his team.
He drives the ethos of a team.
It makes a huge difference to team's culture.
Jim sets the example and leads by example there are no egos, no cliques, no over the top celebrations

As I said earlier all the funds in the world would not make a difference if he structure ethos and players are not there.
Parnell's were the complete opposite of this despite all thier money - and it even drove Cluxton to play for thier junior team because he wanted to play with his mates.

kilns wrote: »

Of course they have! Pathetic stuff

Yes they have.

Im not going to go into it

More interested in the macro level

It’s not down to personalities

It’s down to finances.

Thankfully
That will be rectified.

Strumms wrote: »

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Can the dubs supporters please give a straight yes or no on this

Was the money allocated to Dublin a significant factor in their recent success

Yes or no??

No, because if it was, do we attribute the success Kilkenny have had in hurling to ‘their’ funding....? Or was that just hard work, organization and a talent pool that shone through ? I’d say it was just that.....like the Dublin footballers in fact.

Did Kilkenny have a massive funding advantage over everyone else in the years leading up to their success?

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Nope but then Kilkenny had been winning titles on a regular basis. Its not like they went from being very poor to very good after a massive injection of cash.

Very true.

Kilkenny genuinely have talent and a store of experience

odyssey06 wrote: »

How did they come by that?
Do hurling coaches in other counties not work as hard?

It wasn’t through financial doping or huge population advantages anyway ...

Gachla wrote: »

Is that a huge increase from the years before then? How much money have they taken from all of us?

The question is whether you are bitter and twisted about Dublin or whether you want an even competition?

If you want an even competition in men's football, you will want to do something about Kerry, who have won more titles than anyone else since 2007. If you are bitter and twisted about Dublin, you will continue down your misguided path.

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I would rate about ten diff managers over JG for what it’s worth

Why idolize a guy who has it all handed to him on a silver platter

The real man dubs fans should idolize is Bertie

Well the bitterness always rises to the top.

Whether or not one accepts that Dublin have had financial advantages (like Liverpool in the 1970s or Man U in the 1990s) if you are in anyway unbiased, you would have to acknowledge that Jim Gavin is one of the greatest ever managers in Gaelic Football.