The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

gormdubhgorm

Gachla wrote: »

"I went back the following year to an U15 development squad. And if you were to compare the quality of player coming through then to the U13s now, the difference is night and day. Kids were coming into us without the basic skills. They were kick-passing a five-yard pass instead of hand-passing it but their instinct was to kick it along the ground. So they obviously hadn’t been exposed to any level of coaching.

I look now at U14 football in Dublin and the standard of football in the county is phenomenal. The level of individual skill the players have, the level of coaching teams, it’s incomparable to the late ’90s, early ’00s. And a big reason why is obviously the GDO system going into Dublin."

This quote is the one that matters. This is the one you were staking your house on. The GDO's were just visiting the children in primary schools, they had no impact on elite player development. Your argument has been blown to smithereens!

There are two key points you are missing here

1) Dublin's underachievement for decades

You are missing the point again Dublin were not making the most of what they had and WERE UNDERACHIEVING -DRASTICALLY.
Dublin were not producing 'footballers' like Kerry.

2) The rise in the standard of football overall since the 1990's across the board

Maybe you want to go back to the 1890's and compare the standard between then and now.


You only have to look at all-ireland gold

Gachla

blanch152 wrote: »

Sorry, "the development squads were not better resourced than any other county". Which bit of that did you not understand?

Again, you were hoping that you could get away with saying the GDO's were there just for the children. You can't repeat that lie anymore. Myth busted.

Gachla

kilns wrote: »

So Gachla is claiming only Dublin have development squads to improve the best at their age group as these are the group of players this guy was referring to.

Are Dublin the only county with development squads Gachla?

What are you on about?

kilns

Gachla wrote: »

Here's the 2007 accounts:

Perfect thank you and are the figures sent to the provincial councils included who via the games development funds are distributed to counties except Dublin.

ArielAtom

Gachla wrote: »

Another one calling these GDO's who've been working in Dublin for 2 decades liars. Have a read of the article linked.

No one said liars, they’re your words. I am speaking from experience with at a big club in Dublin. You can either take my word or not.

Gachla

kilns wrote: »

And? One coach covering 9 clubs and you know where those clubs are and how many schools are in that catchment area??

Then more coaches were employed enabling more schools to be reached and the games developed

Yes, more professional coaches helped improve the system and improve standards. Basically proving the point!

gormdubhgorm

Gachla wrote: »

Which part of my post is untrue?

You are just picking and choosing bits again you have not listed the 80 - now nearly 90 - tomorrows post nearly 100 titles.

Plus my point is Dublin are not dominating club football that is where your argument about financial doping falls completely and utterly flat.

If it is doping it is not very good dope is it?
Longford champions, Galway Champions, Wicklow champions and Roscommon champions must be on the good stuff?

Gachla

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

There are two key points you are missing here

1) Dublin's underachievement for decades

You are missing the point again Dublin were not making the most of what they had and WERE UNDERACHIEVING -DRASTICALLY.
Dublin were not producing 'footballers' like Kerry.

2) The rise in the standard of football overall since the 1990's across the board

Maybe you want to go back to the 1890's and compare the standard between then and now.


You only have to look at all-ireland gold

Nearly 90 titles since 2005. They hadn't won that many in 40 years before that! Everyone knows it happened because of money, it can't be denied any more. Even Dublin GDO's are admitting it.

gormdubhgorm

Gachla wrote: »

Here's the 2007 accounts:

It proves that Dublin were underfunded when you factor the scale and costs into account.
Makes them even more impressive.

Gachla

kilns wrote: »

Perfect thank you and are the figures sent to the provincial councils included who via the games development funds are distributed to counties except Dublin.

Ah lad, Have you not made a big enough show of yourself? The Leinster council were funding Dublin too. Sometimes giving them more than 300,000 yearly. Do you want to doubt this claim as well?

blanch152

Gachla wrote: »

Here's the 2007 accounts:

Wow, Dublin got only 2.5m in funding compared to Leitrim who got 700,000. Well done Leitrim, per capita they were out of sight.

Gachla

ArielAtom wrote: »

No one said liars, they’re your words. I am speaking from experience with at a big club in Dublin. You can either take my word or not.

That's a not from me.

kilns

Gachla wrote: »

Yes, more professional coaches helped improve the system and improve standards. Basically proving the point!

His point was the area he was trying to cover was impossible and not reaching children.

Anyways I’m out for the day finished work these arguments will go on and on you have guys who hate everything Dublin amd what it represents and will argue every single point and people who will defend Dublin. The mods should lock these senseless threads down and let people go to their own county thread and hate and love there all they want

rebel girl 15

Underage standard has changed hugely because of the GoGames model

Gachla

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

You are just picking and choosing bits again you have not listed the 80 - now nearly 90 - tomorrows post nearly 100 titles.

Plus my point is Dublin are not dominating club football that is where your argument about financial doping falls completely and utterly flat.

If it is doping it is not very good dope is it?
Longford champions, Galway Champions, Wicklow champions and Roscommon champions must be on the good stuff?

The graph you hate showed where the titles came from, can you not add?
Dublin have won 4 titles since 2007, they won 1 in the 30 years before that. The influence of the money strikes again!

gormdubhgorm

Gachla wrote: »

Nearly 90 titles since 2005. They hadn't won that many in 40 years before that! Everyone knows it happened because of money, it can't be denied any more. Even Dublin GDO's are admitting it.

Again where are these list of titles?

What teams the same players what sports?
You seem to be extremely reluctant to list them which is telling in itself

Again it can be just an exceptional group of players like Ajax in the 70's 95 or now.

Or closer to home Crossmaglen....Corofin etc

Gachla

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

It proves that Dublin were underfunded when you factor the scale and costs into account.
Makes them even more impressive.

7,500 compared to 1.6 million?

kilns

Gachla wrote: »

Ah lad, Have you not made a big enough show of yourself? The Leinster council were funding Dublin too. Sometimes giving them more than 300,000 yearly. Do you want to doubt this claim as well?

In 2007 Leinster council spent 4 million on games development 275k of that went to Dublin

ArielAtom

Gachla wrote: »

That's a not from me.

Will you answer the original question posed to you then? Do you actually know the role of a GDO?

gormdubhgorm

Gachla wrote: »

The graph you hate showed where the titles came from, can you not add?
Dublin have won 4 titles since 2007, they won 1 in the 30 years before that. The influence of the money strikes again!

They don't show it clearly at all.

It could be the same group of players going through the age groups for example.
Which would show it was the same exceptional core of players in the different codes

Plus Dublin never used to focus properly on ladies football - it was only in recent years they gave it any attention - and because the base was so low and the depth of the game improvement was always going to happen with a small bit of TLC

That chart is just a visual cheap shot - which does not delve into the real details.
Details you obviously do not know.

Gachla

kilns wrote: »

His point was the area he was trying to cover was impossible and not reaching children.

Anyways I’m out for the day finished work these arguments will go on and on you have guys who hate everything Dublin amd what it represents and will argue every single point and people who will defend Dublin. The mods should lock these senseless threads down and let people go to their own county thread and hate and love there all they want

Oh yeah, Dublin's financial advantages proved beyond doubt so calling for the thread tio be locked has begun.

ArielAtom

Gachla wrote: »

That's a not from me.

Keep the head in the sand then.

kilns

Gachla wrote: »

Oh yeah, Dublin's financial advantages proved beyond doubt so calling for the thread tio be locked has begun.

Ha ha oh yes beyond doubt it’s been argued for years

Gachla

blanch152 wrote: »

Wow, Dublin got only 2.5m in funding compared to Leitrim who got 700,000. Well done Leitrim, per capita they were out of sight.

If you want to include paying for stadiums then it gets worse for Dublin, not better.

Gachla

kilns wrote: »

In 2007 Leinster council spent 4 million on games development 275k of that went to Dublin

Ah lad. Enough of the bluster. The Leinster council spent nearly 4 million on Games development in total, that included everything including schools and colleges for all Leinster counties, including Dublin! Look at how much was spent on GPO's.

gormdubhgorm

Gachla wrote: »

7,500 compared to 1.6 million?

Divide it up - needed to increase the participation rates - economies of scale- cost of living - land - facilities
It is like saying America should have the same GDP as Ireland.

Gachla

ArielAtom wrote: »

Will you answer the original question posed to you then? Do you actually know the role of a GDO?

Yes.

Gachla

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

They don't show it clearly at all.

It could be the same group of players going through the age groups for example.
Which would show it was the same core of players in the different cods

Plus Dublin never used to focus properly on ladies football - it was only in recent years they gave it any attention - and because the base was so low and the depth of the game improvement was always going to happen with a small bit of TLC

They do show it. Nearly 90 titles in 14 years. It's astonishing. Shows what money can buy.

Gachla

kilns wrote: »

Ha ha oh yes beyond doubt it’s been argued for years but the genius that is you have proved it beyond doubt. Game over ha ha

Fruitcake!

Not by me. By actual Dublin GAA GDO's!

blanch152

Gachla wrote: »

The graph you hate showed where the titles came from, can you not add?
Dublin have won 4 titles since 2007, they won 1 in the 30 years before that. The influence of the money strikes again!

The title of this thread is "The Dominance of Dublin GAA"

How does 4 titles since 2007 equate to dominance?