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The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    Good luck getting sources out of kilns. Its one of the reason I put him on ignore.

    Lots of random figures pulled out of thin air, rarely a source to support them.

    Ah Frank with his baseless accusations has unblocked me, I feel honoured

    Carry on with your chip on your shoulder and hatred of all things Dublin


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,967 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    ClanofLams wrote: »
    This is nonsense. I’m sure there’s some wastage in funding in all counties including Dublin.

    But these repeated implications (Mayo players get mileage for traveling by bus, proven wrong) Corks development funding was affected by pairc ui chaoimh screw ups (in 2007!), now other counties aren’t spending development funding properly.

    These are all baseless allegations. If there is evidence fine post away but just throwing out theories about wrong doing is pretty shameful.


    It wasn't proven wrong. Just because one player says he is travelling by bus doesn't mean he is not claiming mileage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,967 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    bruschi wrote: »


    Perhaps you might comment on the following extract from that article:

    "People don’t like to admit it but other counties are being mismanaged. The financial mismanagement in Galway has been widely reported. Derry have appointed three treasurers in four years. Kerry ladies football has loads of good players but the structures aren’t right at the top and there’s a lot of internal fighting. Dublin are an example of good governance."

    We can take the extracts one at a time to make is easier for you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    Gachla wrote: »
    It's spent on coaches.

    So how many coaches does your county employ directly (not including provincial council coaches)?

    I am still waiting on the year for the 7000 funding


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,274 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    kilns wrote: »
    It wasnt an allegation as I stated I did know!:rolleyes:

    I was asking can other posters from other counties testify that the Games development funds are spent on just that and can they see it in action?

    Can you testify that every euro in Dublin is spent appropriately? Anyone who could state that confidently about any county would be acting inappropriately by posting such information online.

    These repeated implications about other counties that are posted without any evidence whatsoever shouldn’t be tolerated. It’s no better than those saying Dublin players are getting paid or whatever.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 255 ✭✭Gachla


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Did you read the article?

    Here are some quotes:

    "A lot of clubs started to get their act together and put in a big shift in their nurseries and juvenile sections. They began to coach the coaches so the skills were being coached correctly and that there’d be a unity of purpose running right throughout the club."

    No wonder the kids in later years had the skills.

    "But the population base is the big advantage.....For a Derry or Monaghan to have a good county team, you need every club to produce a county player. In Dublin it only has to be one in every three clubs."

    Sounds like amalgamations could help.


    "And now you have a Ciaran Archer.

    My two years with Maurs, he was the first man there and last man to leave, all the time with a bag of footballs. The weekend Conor McManus kicked that wonder point up in Omagh out by the sideline, Ciaran kicked a better point for us against St Brigid’s in a league match out in Rush. Our video analyst had it clipped and everything but we decided not to put it up on social media, that he didn’t need to be put on a pedestal at that stage.

    That score wasn’t the product of a GDO or an AIG or any culture I created. He just has a work ethic, a willingness to learn and a love of the game.
    "

    Reads like he is emphasising the natural skill and the hard work as the reason for Ciaran Archer, not the funding.

    "A huge emphasis went on in Dublin into the club nurseries. In Kilmacud we could have 100 kids coming into the nursery every year. And we are lucky that it’s very parent-led. It’s not like a Castleblaney where you are relying on ex-players to come back down and take teams. In Kilmacud if we get 100 kids coming in, we get about 50 parents willing to help out."

    He seems to be saying that they get more volunteers in Dublin clubs than in rural clubs, but that was rubbished on here earlier by the Dublin-haters.

    "People think Kilmacud is just about winning senior championships or All-Irelands but one of the things I’m proudest of is that recently we had the first U15 D team in Dublin."

    Again, seems like he is talking about increasing juvenile participation as being more important than the senior team.

    "In fairness, the standard of coaching in Dublin club football is excellent. The standard of volunteer coaching."

    Ah no, don't tell me he is agreeing with me about the standards of the volunteers. Thanks for this article.

    "The Dublin development squads aren’t better resourced than any other in the country but I know the people involved in their current U15 and U16 squads and the level of coaching those kids are getting exposed to is phenomenal. Just the level of attention to detail, the level of individual development they’re getting.

    Ger Lyons is overlooking them. Again, he’s a volunteer, a teacher out in Lucan, but who has coached teams out in UCD with John Divilly and won Sigersons.
    "


    Once again, it's not the money, that's the same as elsewhere, but the quality of the volunteer coaching!!

    "People don’t like to admit it but other counties are being mismanaged. The financial mismanagement in Galway has been widely reported. Derry have appointed three treasurers in four years. Kerry ladies football has loads of good players but the structures aren’t right at the top and there’s a lot of internal fighting. Dublin are an example of good governance."

    Oh dear, now they are saying that other counties haven't got their act together.

    "The work Kerry have been doing at underage is phenomenal; they’re going to win All-Irelands again. Galway have loads of good footballers. Mayo, Tyrone, those counties aren’t going to go away. Cork are going to come back strong. Dublin’s dominance will end."

    Just as I and the other Dubs have been repeatedly saying. Thank you very much for that link, it backed up the majority of what I was saying, that good volunteers, good coaching, once-in-a-generation players and hard work have been the main factors in Dublin's success.

    :D This is desperate stuff. Your arguments have been blasted out of the water. These fellas who've been working for Dublin GAA for decades admit that the GDO's have made a huge difference in standards in Dublin GAA. Game, set and match.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,149 Mod ✭✭✭✭bruschi


    kilns wrote: »
    Thats not what i was saying, Dublin could have sqaundered the funding they received, like other counties have previously. But they got organised and put the structures in place. Perhaps they will not work for every county but it is a template to follow.

    Do you we know how other counties are spending the development funding they are receiving? I dont, but would be interesting to see if every penny goes into it and do politics of some county boards take over?

    again, there is a huge misunderstanding of the actual practicalities of money spent. The GDO's, employed by the clubs, have their wages paid by central/provincial council and the club puts their half or share or whatever direct to the council then too. The money doesnt come into either Dublin or the clubs hands that they can mis spend it or use it how they feel.

    Similarly with other county funds. All money received has to be accounted for, whether through playing gear purchased, transport or whatever, it has to be accounted for otherwise the funding the following year does not get approved. And the same goes for any GDA/GPO/GDO employed in these counties, the money comes from their provincial council, not from the county. The county cannot spend development money how they feel.

    Which is another reason why I previously asked a question of someone who clearly stated that Mayo spend their money on their senior team when in fact, it would be nigh on impossible for them to do so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,274 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    blanch152 wrote: »
    It wasn't proven wrong. Just because one player says he is travelling by bus doesn't mean he is not claiming mileage.

    I posted a link from GAA/Revenue that wouldn’t allow mileage to be claimed for bus travel, you can find it my posts last night.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 255 ✭✭Gachla


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Perhaps you might comment on the following extract from that article:

    "People don’t like to admit it but other counties are being mismanaged. The financial mismanagement in Galway has been widely reported. Derry have appointed three treasurers in four years. Kerry ladies football has loads of good players but the structures aren’t right at the top and there’s a lot of internal fighting. Dublin are an example of good governance."

    We can take the extracts one at a time to make is easier for you.

    Other counties could have been spending money on hookers. Completely irrelevant to the buying of success by Dublin GAA, financed by all of us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    ClanofLams wrote: »
    Can you testify that every euro in Dublin is spent appropriately? Anyone who could state that confidently about any county would be acting inappropriately by posting such information online.

    These repeated implications about other counties that are posted without any evidence whatsoever shouldn’t be tolerated. It’s no better than those saying Dublin players are getting paid or whatever.

    Well someone broke the structures down quite well and if drill into the number of coaching admin staff and coaches themselves you can see that the funding is being spent, I am sure coaching equipment comes under it too.

    and as I will repeat as I said I do not know whether or not other counties spend their funding on games development, I was asking other posters if they can see evidence of it in their counties. I will not be like a certain poster here who claims to have full of knowledge of a county when I dont.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,149 Mod ✭✭✭✭bruschi


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Perhaps you might comment on the following extract from that article:

    "People don’t like to admit it but other counties are being mismanaged. The financial mismanagement in Galway has been widely reported. Derry have appointed three treasurers in four years. Kerry ladies football has loads of good players but the structures aren’t right at the top and there’s a lot of internal fighting. Dublin are an example of good governance."

    We can take the extracts one at a time to make is easier for you.

    tell you what, why dont you back up your claim that Mayo spend their development funds on the senior team
    And then expand on your claim about how Kerry ignore mass participation.

    I've broken out the questions that I previously asked you to make it easier for you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 255 ✭✭Gachla


    kilns wrote: »
    Well someone broke the structures down quite well and if drill into the number of coaching admin staff and coaches themselves you can see that the funding is being spent, I am sure coaching equipment comes under it too.

    and as I will repeat as I said I do not know whether or not other counties spend their funding on games development, I was asking other posters if they can see evidence of it in their counties. I will not be like a certain poster here who claims to have full of knowledge of a county when I dont.

    You basically don't have a clue what you're talking about.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭ToBeFrank123


    blanch152 wrote: »
    It wasn't proven wrong. Just because one player says he is travelling by bus doesn't mean he is not claiming mileage.

    Evidence, proof, sources?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    Gachla wrote: »
    You basically don't have a clue what you're talking about.

    I have asked two questions of you which you refuse to answer


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    The same feckers laughing at Dublin for years and now crying foul.

    'Murphy's Dog'- they can give it but can't take it.

    I am not a Dub with not loyalty or affiliation to Dublin but I like to call out BS and bitterness when I see it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 255 ✭✭Gachla


    kilns wrote: »
    I have asked two questions of you which you refuse to answer

    I've answered everything. Your posts are proving that you really don't have a clue. Why should I waste my time when you don't even know the basics?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 255 ✭✭Gachla


    The same feckers laughing at Dublin for years and now crying foul.

    'Murphy's Dog'- they can give it but can't take it.

    I am not a Dub with not loyalty or affiliation to Dublin but I like to call out BS and bitterness when I see it.

    But you think the buying of success was wrong too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,262 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Gachla wrote: »
    Other counties could have been spending money on hookers. Completely irrelevant to the buying of success by Dublin GAA, financed by all of us.

    So you do not accept -

    Dublin vastly underachieved for decades

    Other counties mismanaged themselves or a have overachieved in the past so they have regressed?

    Dublin have an exceptional group of players - none of these has any relevance to you?

    Are you a member of a local GAA club because I am sure any motion you would get your club delegate to bring would be swayed by your completely non-antagonistic unbiased and informed 'Dublin doping' chart? :rolleyes:

    You could do a power point maybe?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    Gachla wrote: »
    I've answered everything. Your posts are proving that you really don't have a clue. Why should I waste my time when you don't even know the basics?

    When did a county receive 7000 in development funds and Dublin received 1.5m you said you knew the year but have failed to reveal it

    I am afraid you are the bluffer on here


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭ToBeFrank123


    The same feckers laughing at Dublin for years and now crying foul.

    'Murphy's Dog'- they can give it but can't take it.

    I am not a Dub with not loyalty or affiliation to Dublin but I like to call out BS and bitterness when I see it.

    Who was laughing at Dublin?

    Before the millions were pumped into Dublin, they couldn't win a Leinster Championship. After the millions were pumped in, they couldn't lose one.

    Its hardly a surprise.

    In every sport, the team with the most money 9 times out of 10 win the most. There are a few exceptions to this of course, but as I say 9 times out of 10, the team with most money wins whether its advantages with coaching, resources, strength and conditioning, numbers, and the like.

    The huge Dublin GDF is like a Premier League soccer team with 10 times the spend over everyone else in the transfer market. If one player is underperforming, no trouble, just transfer in the latest starlet who came through the hugely inflated GDF system.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 255 ✭✭Gachla


    So you do not accept -

    Dublin vastly underachieved for decades

    Other counties mismanaged themselves or a have overachieved in the past so they have regressed?

    Dublin have an exceptional group of players - none of these has any relevance to you?

    Are you a member of a local GAA club because I am sure any motion you would get your club delegate to bring would be swayed by your completely non-antagonistic unbiased and informed 'Dublin doping' chart? :rolleyes:

    You could do a power point maybe?

    Dublin have won nearly 90 titles since 2005. This was done off the back of millions of euro pumped into their systems. Dublin GDO's admit the influence they system has had on standards. It's across the board improvements. The game is up, the armument has been won. Dublin have bought success. The only argument now is what should be done about it. Many of us are already onto our county boards, the number will continue to grow.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 255 ✭✭Gachla


    kilns wrote: »
    When did a county receive 7000 in development funds and Dublin received 1.5m you said you knew the year but have failed to reveal it

    I am afraid you are the bluffer on here

    I already said! It was 2007. Remember it was you and the other fella who were desperately hoping the GDO never existed. The games up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    Gachla wrote: »
    Dublin have won nearly 90 titles since 2005. This was done off the back of millions of euro pumped into their systems. Dublin GDO's admit the influence they system has had on standards. It's across the board improvements. The game is up, the armument has been won. Dublin have bought success. The only argument now is what should be done about it. Many of us are already onto our county boards, the number will continue to grow.

    and what are your solutions that need to be done about it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,262 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Gachla wrote: »
    But you think the buying of success was wrong too.

    So how come Dublin do not win the AI club each each year?

    Plunkets had the Brogan clan - brought in T Corrigan, Jayo Paul Galvin and still never even won a Dublin club.

    Parnells spent millions (sold land) mismanaged and destroyed thier club for a while.

    There is no such thing as buying success - the GAA is not like soccer.
    Players give thier all for the area they are in

    Players play for the county they are born with (bar the odd Cox Roscommon - Darcy Leitrim or Karol O'Dwyer - Larry Tompkins- Kildare ).

    This buying a success in the GAA is a fallacious argument - you know and I know it.
    The Dubs are just a one in a generation side at the moment backed by a superb management structure.
    I can understand while some counties are jealous - that is fair enough.

    It is far easier for some to want to destroy, than to create and innovate thier own plans and ideas.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 256 ✭✭ciarang85


    Gachla wrote: »
    Dublin have won nearly 90 titles since 2005.

    Cork have won 130+ since 2005

    Any problem with that?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 255 ✭✭Gachla


    kilns wrote: »
    and what are your solutions that need to be done about it?

    My suggestions have been given to my county board. What's important now is to convince others to also go to their county boards. Showing up the lies and deflection from Dublin supporters is a small way of starting the move to change things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    Gachla wrote: »
    I already said! It was 2007. Remember it was you and the other fella who were desperately hoping the GDO never existed. The games up.

    first time you mentioned the year, care to share the link as i cannot find those figures from GAA


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    Gachla wrote: »
    My suggestions have been given to my county board. What's important now is to convince others to also go to their county boards. Showing up the lies and deflection from Dublin supporters is a small way of starting the move to change things.

    Ah ok so they are top secret I get it, all to revealed at the next congress


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 255 ✭✭Gachla


    So how come Dublin do not win the AI club each each year?

    Plunkets had the Brogan clan - brought in T Corrigan, Jayo Paul Galvin and still never even won a Dublin club.

    Parnells spent millions (sold land) mismanaged and destroyed thier club for a while.

    There is no such thing as buying success - the GAA is not like soccer.
    Players give thier all for the area they are in

    Players play for the county they are born with (bar the odd Cox Roscommon - Darcy Leitrim or Karol O'Dwyer - Larry Tompkins- Kildare ).

    This buying a success in the GAA is a fallacious argument - you know and I know it.
    The Dubs are just a one in a generation side at the moment backed by a superb management structure.
    I can understand while some counties are jealous - that is fair enough.

    It is far easier for some to want to destroy, than to create and innovate thier own plans and ideas.

    Dublin were never in an All Ireland club final, they've won two in the past few years. Dublin football clubs have won 4 All Ireland's since 2007, they won one in the 30 years before that. This is a common theme.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 255 ✭✭Gachla


    ciarang85 wrote: »
    Cork have won 130+ since 2005

    Any problem with that?

    Back that up? Did they buy success with all of our money?


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