Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

iamwhoiam · 01-08-2019 03:33PM

El_Bee wrote: »

Ah sure there's nothing to be done, in the same way everyone who passes their driving test is an expert on the workings of an internal combustion engine, every child who has access to a computer/phone/tablet is an expert in network protocols and how to bypass them. Sure this guy was able to use Tor that proves every other child in the country can as well. Also we don't want a nanny state enforcing things on us it'd be just like nazi germany.

So you think the state clamping down on young children watching hard porn is like the Nazi state ? Well no it isn’t actually

Emme · 01-08-2019 03:37PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

So you think the state clamping down on young children watching hard porn is like the Nazi state ? Well no it isn’t actually

+100 to that. I don't think anyone, men or women, benefits from watching hard "torture" porn on the internet, particularly what's on the dark web. The BDSM community may not agree, but I'm talking about porn where the actors (or victims) involved do not have the option of a safeword and there are no rules or regulations.

ampleforth · 01-08-2019 03:42PM

Birneybau wrote: »

Nah, never.

Dexter Morgan will grow up that is for sure...

Limpy · 01-08-2019 03:50PM

Emme wrote: »

+100 to that. I don't think anyone, men or women, benefits from watching hard "torture" porn on the internet, particularly what's on the dark web. The BDSM community may not agree, but I'm talking about porn where the actors (or victims) involved do not have the option of a safeword and there are no rules or regulations.

How come something like the dark Web can exist? And how can they stop it from existing.

Would it be possible if the parents of both murderers could apologise for the actions of these two. I mean if it was my kid and he did that I would disown him. But these people are side by side defending them, Offering support ect.

Dont give me the "it's maternal instinct" ect. They are adults who know what's right and wrong.

punisher5112 · 01-08-2019 03:50PM

I'm actually surprised more doesn't happen to be honest as I come across all sorts when at work and not unfortunately.

Some seriously deluded people out there.

ScottCapper · 01-08-2019 04:26PM

Limpy wrote: »

How come something like the dark Web can exist? And how can they stop it from existing.

Would it be possible if the parents of both murderers could apologise for the actions of these two. I mean if it was my kid and he did that I would disown him. But these people are side by side defending them, Offering support ect.

Dont give me the "it's maternal instinct" ect. They are adults who know what's right and wrong.

the majority of these parents are scrotes no better.

tuxy · 01-08-2019 04:33PM

Limpy wrote: »

How come something like the dark Web can exist? And how can they stop it from existing.

It exists because encryption was invented. They could prevent it by taking the whole internet offline.

Although Boy A did a clear net search for dark web there is absently no evidence he ever used the tor network. There were no reports of such software had ever been installed on his phone.

tuxy · 01-08-2019 04:34PM

Limpy wrote: »

Would it be possible if the parents of both murderers could apologise for the actions of these two. I mean if it was my kid and he did that I would disown him. But these people are side by side defending them, Offering support ect.

How could they come forward without being in contempt of court for helping to identify the boys? I don't think anyone would care about some anonymous apology.

iamwhoiam · 01-08-2019 04:37PM

tuxy wrote: »

How could they come forward without being in contempt of court for helping to identify the boys? I don't think anyone would care about some anonymous apology.

I don’t see why not . They could just say they are the parents of A or B and put out a statement via the solicitor

Vicarious Function · 01-08-2019 05:10PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I don’t see why not . They could just say they are the parents of A or B and put out a statement via the solicitor

Maybe, at a later stage after the sentencing etc is done and dusted, we may hear from the parents, even at an anonymous level.

The sad thing is the youngsters know more than the parents do about getting into these dangerous sites.

Regarding Dun Laoghaire Boy, he was on these sites every night from midnight to 6 a.m. Without sleep, no wonder he was hearing voices. In hindsight now, there must have been a way his parents could have deprived him of his computer ware during the night. But then, they possibly feared for their own safety, if they came down on him too strictly. They probably already had a good idea as to what he was capable of.

Suckit · 07-08-2019 10:39PM

Files sent to DPP over naming of Ana Kriegel’s killers
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/files-sent-to-dpp-over-naming-of-ana-kriegels-killers-942486.html

corpusvile · 08-08-2019 06:21PM

Limpy wrote: »

How come something like the dark Web can exist? And how can they stop it from existing.

Would it be possible if the parents of both murderers could apologise for the actions of these two. I mean if it was my kid and he did that I would disown him. But these people are side by side defending them, Offering support ect.

Dont give me the "it's maternal instinct" ect. They are adults who know what's right and wrong.

It's not as black & white as that there's far more than porn on the dark web, it's also used by human rights & democracy campaigners who are living under dictatorships. It's simply the unregulated net & in such an environment you get good & bad, but the criminal/nasty aspects are just part of the dark web not all of it.

11-08-2019 03:24PM

Psychopathic killer Alexander Pacteau’s mother has expressed genuine remorse over his brutal murder of Karen Buckley in Glasgow, even though at first couldn’t countenance that he might be connected with her disappearance. I don’t think his father made any public comment, though I could be wrong there. From what I saw on social media it seemed their other children are normally-adjusted human beings who get on with both parents. I also saw that the mother once had an unfortunate relationship with a not-very-nice man, I think before she married her now ex-husband. Apparently Alexander was sociopathic since he was very young.

At some stage it is likely enough that a parent will make an anonymous apology, even with the help of wording that from a member of clergy etc.

pablo128 · 11-08-2019 03:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Psychopathic killer Alexander Pacteau’s mother has expressed genuine remorse over his brutal murder of Karen Buckley in Glasgow, even though at first couldn’t countenance that he might be connected with her disappearance. I don’t think his father made any public comment, though I could be wrong there. From what I saw on social media it seemed their other children are normally-adjusted human beings who get on with both parents. I also saw that the mother once had an unfortunate relationship with a not-very-nice man, I think before she married her now ex-husband. Apparently Alexander was sociopathic since he was very young.

At some stage it is likely enough that a parent will make an anonymous apology, even with the help of wording that from a member of clergy etc.

They won't say anything until any appeals are done and dusted.

Larsso30 · 12-08-2019 09:42AM

tuxy wrote: »

It exists because encryption was invented. They could prevent it by taking the whole internet offline.

Although Boy A did a clear net search for dark web there is absently no evidence he ever used the tor network. There were no reports of such software had ever been installed on his phone.

It was actually created by the USA government.

sk8erboii · 12-08-2019 09:50AM

Larsso30 wrote: »

It was actually created by the USA government.

LOL

Yes. Math was created in 1777

mrjoneill · 12-08-2019 09:03PM

tuxy wrote: »

How could they come forward without being in contempt of court for helping to identify the boys? I don't think anyone would care about some anonymous apology.

Not true, a solicitor could represent them without disclosing their client.
Boy B father doesn't believe he did anything wrong as for Boy A his parents & grandparents sought & got bail over the Christmas period pre-trial which shows a level of support for him.

mrjoneill · 12-08-2019 09:05PM

Limpy wrote: »

How come something like the dark Web can exist? And how can they stop it from existing.

Would it be possible if the parents of both murderers could apologise for the actions of these two. I mean if it was my kid and he did that I would disown him. But these people are side by side defending them, Offering support ect.

Dont give me the "it's maternal instinct" ect. They are adults who know what's right and wrong.

What I understand is the Dark Web is used by journalist and such sharing stories without fear of being traced.

Vicarious Function · 13-08-2019 01:08AM

Was someone arrested recently for attempting to import guns or other ammo sourced on the Dark Web?

tuxy · 13-08-2019 02:25AM

Vicarious Function wrote: »

Was someone arrested recently for attempting to import guns or other ammo sourced on the Dark Web?

There was a guy in England.
The NY times is also available on the darknet and many journalists use it to transmit info that could get them in legal trouble.
I don't see what it has to do with this case. Boy A did google dark web but as far as we know he never had any software installed to access it.

Ralph Ciffereto · 06-09-2019 03:32PM

One thing has mystified me about the drive to preserve the identities of the boys.

A short few years ago in Dublin there was an altercation in which a teenage boy (14 IIRC) stabbed another to death. From the outset the boy was described as a close associate of a well known criminal gang. A few weeks later it was reported he had fled the country for Holland with a named, shall we say, household name gangland figure.

Now, a 14 year old boy does not go abroad sharing hotel rooms with a man in his 30's unless they are very closely related.

In fact, during a committal hearing with the boy, the media talked to the named and on the day photographed gangland figure on unrelated matters, the article mentioned they ran into him at the childrens court, another article by the same media outlet mentioned the boy appearing that day at the same court.

All in all, the media all but told us who the boy on trial for the stabbing was without naming him. In fact he was named in previous articles about his older male gangland relative and his partner that pre dated the stabbing. The media have continued to report on this boy since he has turned 18 and moved to Mountjoy, albeit without naming him.

Why was such blatant clue feeding allowed for that case, but not for that of Ana's killers? Quite literally the only thing we can gauge from the court reports is the occupation field of the father of Boy B (and in news that will devastate various idiots on social media with an axe to grind against the establishment, he certainly isn't a Garda as they all seem to think he is)

Cupp3r · 06-09-2019 03:35PM

Ralph Ciffereto wrote: »

One thing has mystified me about the drive to preserve the identities of the boys.

A short few years ago in Dublin there was an altercation in which a teenage boy (14 IIRC) stabbed another to death. From the outset the boy was described as a close associate of a well known criminal gang. A few weeks later it was reported he had fled the country for Holland with a named, shall we say, household name gangland figure.

Now, a 14 year old boy does not go abroad sharing hotel rooms with a man in his 30's unless they are very closely related.

In fact, during a committal hearing with the boy, the media talked to the named and on the day photographed gangland figure on unrelated matters, the article mentioned they ran into him at the childrens court, another article by the same media outlet mentioned the boy appearing that day at the same court.

All in all, the media all but told us who the boy on trial for the stabbing was without naming him. In fact he was named in previous articles about his older male gangland relative and his partner that pre dated the stabbing. The media have continued to report on this boy since he has turned 18, albeit without naming him.

Why was such blatant clue feeding allowed for that case, but not for that of Ana's killers? Quite literally the only thing we can gauge from the court reports is the occupation field of the father of Boy B (and in news that will devastate various idiots on social media with an axe to grind against the establishment, he certainly isn't a Garda as they all seem to think he is)

For a start the boy who stabbed the other boy- Family was easily to identify by google. Maybe the Kriegel killers families are clean so cannot bring anything up so easily with clues.

Gadgetman496 · 06-09-2019 03:36PM

Sentencing of killers of Ana Kriegel adjourned to October, do we know what date in October?

Cupp3r · 06-09-2019 03:38PM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Sentencing of killers of Ana Kriegel adjourned to October, do we know what date in October?

When the Psychiatrist reports are due recording to reports. Id imagine the day wont be made public untill the evening before.

Ralph Ciffereto · 06-09-2019 03:43PM

Cupp3r wrote: »

For a start the boy who stabbed the other boy- Family was easily to identify by google. Maybe the Kriegel killers families are clean so cannot bring anything up so easily with clues.

Yes, but look at it like this. In the weeks between the initial arrest and charge the media never dared to state along the lines of "the family of one of those arrested is well known and highly respected in the Leixlip area, with a long established presence in the local restaurant* industry"

*: I'm in no way suggesting they are involved in local eateries and have seen no claim that they are, just using this as a hypothetical example.

As opposed to the boy in Dublin being tagged as linked to a dominant local named crime gang. It made it pretty easy.

Cupp3r · 06-09-2019 03:46PM

Ralph Ciffereto wrote: »

Yes, but look at it like this. In the weeks between the initial arrest and charge the media never dared to state along the lines of "the family of one of those arrested is well known and highly respected in the Leixlip area, with a long established presence in the local restaurant* industry"

*: I'm in no way suggesting they are involved in local eateries and have seen no claim that they are, just using this as a hypothetical example.

As opposed to the boy in Dublin being tagged as linked to a dominant local named crime gang. It made it pretty easy.

So youd rather an innocent family is ruined like a well known convicted gangster cause their relation committed an appalling act?

Ralph Ciffereto · 06-09-2019 03:50PM

Cupp3r wrote: »

So youd rather an innocent family is ruined like a well known convicted gangster cause their relation committed an appalling act?

Certainly not, although from what I gather the secrecy around this means that the wrong people have been identified in some instances.

For all the hype I doubt 99 percent of the population know the names/ photos of these boys. I have it screenshotted on my phone (if it even is them) but the authorities have been pretty successful in wiping ones ability to find active info on it via Google. I've only ever seen a single mention of Boy A's name, Boy B seemed to be far more widely circulated for some reason.

The hope of some idiots on social media that he was a guard's son (he almost certainly isn't from what I can see) shows the pathetic me against the world mindset of some of the welfare reprobates in this country.

Cupp3r · 06-09-2019 03:53PM

Ralph Ciffereto wrote: »

Certainly not, although from what I gather the secrecy around this means that the wrong people have been identified in some instances.

For all the hype I doubt 99 percent of the population know the names/ photos of these boys. I have it screenshotted on my phone (if it even is them) but the authorities have been pretty successful in wiping ones ability to find active info on it via Google. I've only ever seen a single mention of Boy A's name, Boy B seemed to be far more widely circulated for some reason.

The hope of some idiots on social media that he was a guard's son (he almost certainly isn't from what I can see) shows the pathetic me against the world mindset of some of the welfare reprobates in this country.

But you have his details screenshot on your phone Why?

Ralph Ciffereto · 06-09-2019 04:13PM

Cupp3r wrote: »

But you have his details screenshot on your phone Why?

Because I'd like to have a google of their names in 15 years and see if they ever come to attention again (although they may have adopted new names after release). Why wouldn't I? It's well in the public interest and in our neighbours the UK teen offenders are routinely named post trial.

Even in this country there are articles actively available online naming a then 9 year old boy who stabbed an acquaintance to death in an altercation around 20 years ago. This rush to hide the identity seems to be for this case solely, predicated on the risk of violence from an angry public. There's plenty of teen killers from past years who were fully identified post trial, legally.

I've no intention of disseminating said image and name to anyone, but I see no harm in my having accessed it. To my knowledge it isn't illegal to possess this info, just to communicate it.

Cupp3r · 06-09-2019 04:15PM

Ralph Ciffereto wrote: »

Because I'd like to have a google of their names in 15 years and see if they ever come to attention again (although they may have adopted new names after release). Why wouldn't I? It's well in the public interest and in our neighbours the UK teen offenders are routinely named post trial.

Even in this country there are articles actively available online naming a then 9 year old boy who stabbed an acquaintance to death in an altercation. This rush to hide the identity seems to be for this case solely, predicated on the risk of violence from an angry public. There's plenty of teen killers from past years who were fully identified post trial, legally.

I've no intention of disseminating said image and name to anyone, but I see no harm in my having accessed it.

I have no interest in knowing their names personally. It's your right I suppose if that interests you. But more so for the Kriegel family I'd rather they faded into obscurity and names never mentioned again. The very mention of the name who have murdered their beautiful daughter will bring it all back up.

Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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