Firearm stored in car boot.

Fastnet50 · 12-08-2019 7:03pm #1

A lot of people use Peli rifle cases to protect their firearms. As these cases are very long to facilitate the larger rifles they have to drop one of the seats as they will not fit entirely in the boot. If they are locked in the boot albeit somewhat on the lowered seat is this still legal when travelling to a range or shooting venue.

alanmc · 12-08-2019 7:07pm

Isn't there something about it not being accessible from the cabin? Nearly sure I read that somewhere.

Fastnet50 · 12-08-2019 7:11pm

Yes but physically it is not, at least without a lot of hassle, just like to know as a lot of gun cases will not fit in a car boot entirely.

alanmc · 12-08-2019 7:23pm

Just had a quuck look at the Commissioners Guidelines there and the phrase is "not readily accessible".

I think having most of the case in the boot and a bit poking through the dropped seat should be ok. It's all a bit vague.

Fastnet50 · 12-08-2019 7:27pm

Yes it is especially if you have a few to transport

minktrapper · 12-08-2019 7:38pm

On my licence in the conditions section I think it says " Not to be left unattended in car". Is this to be taken literally.

Mehaffey1 · 12-08-2019 7:40pm

minktrapper wrote: »

On my licence in the conditions section I think it says " Not to be left unattended in car". Is this to be taken literally.

No knowledge here but I'm sure it is, nice big jackpot for any scummy car thief, he/she's not going to hand it in.

Fastnet50 · 12-08-2019 8:23pm

Is that a serious question Mink trapper

Wadi14 · 12-08-2019 8:24pm

My take on it is if you have the case out of view a coat or something thrown over it, the case locked and secured by steel cable to an anchor point in the boot, then it is secured and not easily accessible.

TeaBagMania · 12-08-2019 8:27pm

You need a pickup truck and a gun rack

Fastnet50 · 12-08-2019 8:29pm

TeaBagMania wrote: »

You need a pickup truck and a gun rack

Yeah or a securicor van whatever.

Grizzly 45 · 12-08-2019 8:45pm

You can pretty much say a long firearm,locked in a pelicase and stuck thru the back seat from the boot ,is NOT very accesible to the driver or passenger.:p

Fastnet50 · 12-08-2019 8:58pm

Thank you Grizzly, just been nagging me a little.

minktrapper · 12-08-2019 9:04pm

Mehaffey1 wrote: »

No knowledge here but I'm sure it is, nice big jackpot for any scummy car thief, he/she's not going to hand it in.

What about getting a bite to eat or a call of nature.

Grizzly 45 · 12-08-2019 9:53pm

Fastnet50 wrote: »

Thank you Grizzly, just been nagging me a little.

If you want to be belt & braces.Put your gun case keys on the ignition key bunch.That way its impossible to get at,unless you stop the car and switch off the ignition.

The pigeon man · 12-08-2019 9:55pm

These are the commissioner's guidelines. They are not the law. You do not have to adhere to them unless this is specifically stated in the condition on your license.

You may find that is more convenient to leave the gun on the back seat until the commencement of the new SI. This can be handy when traveling a short distance to the next permission.

BattleCorp · 13-08-2019 10:46am

minktrapper wrote: »

What about getting a bite to eat or a call of nature.

The pigeon man wrote: »

These are the commissioner's guidelines. They are not the law. You do not have to adhere to them unless this is specifically stated in the condition on your license.

You may find that is more convenient to leave the gun on the back seat until the commencement of the new SI. This can be handy when traveling a short distance to the next permission.

I have the condition on my licence that I cannot leave the gun unattended in the car so I too have the dilemma, do I leave it in the car when I'm going to the jacks in Obama Plaza on the way to a comp or do I sling it over my shoulder and rock into Obama Plaza on my way to the jacks?

Grizzly 45 · 13-08-2019 11:53am

Option C ,boycott a greasy spoon named after the man who was one of the worst presidents in the USA,who would gladly have banned you guns for you,and go water the dasies at the roadside?:D

The pigeon man · 13-08-2019 12:02pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

I have the condition on my licence that I cannot leave the gun unattended in the car so I too have the dilemma, do I leave it in the car when I'm going to the jacks in Obama Plaza on the way to a comp or do I sling it over my shoulder and rock into Obama Plaza on my way to the jacks?

Approach a lad wearing a tracksuit and tell him you have a licensed firearm in the car. Offer him a free SuperMacs if he sits in the car while you go to the toilet. This hopefully would satisfy the condition on your license.

Cass · 13-08-2019 12:19pm

How about everyone stop overthinking this and realise that most of this SI is unenforceable (not to mention unworkable) and there will not be an additional 140,000 Gardaí to monitor every firearm owner at all times.

TeaBagMania · 13-08-2019 1:15pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Option C ,boycott a greasy spoon named after the man who was one of the worst presidents in the USA,who would gladly have banned you guns for you,and go water the dasies at the roadside?:D

I second this ^

Thought BC was taking the piss and googled to confirm no such place existed, unfortunately i was wrong.

Who's dumbass idea was it to name a place after the biggest idiot of a president that ever existed ?

minktrapper · 13-08-2019 1:27pm

Cass wrote: »

How about everyone stop overthinking this and realise that most of this SI is unenforceable (not to mention unworkable) and there will not be an additional 140,000 Gardaí to monitor every firearm owner at all times.

Appreciate that. But why do they put theses conditions on your licence. Whatever happened to common sense.

minktrapper · 13-08-2019 1:29pm

The pigeon man wrote: »

Approach a lad wearing a tracksuit and tell him you have a licensed firearm in the car. Offer him a free SuperMacs if he sits in the car while you go to the toilet. This hopefully would satisfy the condition on your license.

I presume that would be someone out getting a bit of exercise.

BattleCorp · 13-08-2019 2:12pm

TeaBagMania wrote: »

I second this ^

Thought BC was taking the piss and googled to confirm no such place existed, unfortunately i was wrong.

Who's dumbass idea was it to name a place after the biggest idiot of a president that ever existed ?

Pat McDonagh of Supermacs fame built it so I'd guess he named it.

For the record, the place is a feckin gold mine. Always busy.

oldgit1897 · 13-08-2019 2:37pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Option C ,boycott a greasy spoon named after the man who was one of the worst presidents in the USA,who would gladly have banned you guns for you,and go water the dasies at the roadside?:D

He is opening another one soon, called the Che Guevara-lynch shopping centre

oldgit1897 · 13-08-2019 2:41pm

What about people who don't drive cars ? I know lads who shoot pistol and if the weather is good or the missus is using the car, they get the motorcycle out of the shed and tip on to the club. Same with people who drive company vans, if the cab is open to the back, its basically one large space, no separate compartment.

The pigeon man · 13-08-2019 2:51pm

oldgit1897 wrote: »

What about people who don't drive cars ? I know lads who shoot pistol and if the weather is good or the missus is using the car, they get the motorcycle out of the shed and tip on to the club. Same with people who drive company vans, if the cab is open to the back, its basically one large space, no separate compartment.

The new SI refers to when the firearm is being transported "in" a vehicle. A motorcycle is a vehicle you get on not in so you don't have any new obligations under the SI if you travel by motorcycle.

The same goes for a bicycle or walking. You may carry your firearm openly provided you don't have a condition on your license preventing you from doing so.

Cass · 13-08-2019 3:19pm

minktrapper wrote: »

Appreciate that. But why do they put theses conditions on your licence. Whatever happened to common sense.

Yeah, i wasn't intending to sound snarky. Should have added a smiley face.

However i think the point is still valid. Without, and i stress this point very LOUDLY, condoning any sort of criminal act if people use their common sense and judgement then you won't have a problem.

As for AGS common sense. Without being a dick they don't need it. They have the law on their side and it says we [the shooting community] are responsible for basically every aspect of gun ownership. So the onus is on us to be compliant.

Cass · 13-08-2019 3:34pm

The pigeon man wrote: »

You may carry your firearm openly provided you don't have a condition on your license preventing you from doing so.

Eh, no.

There are multiple parts of ALL the firearm Acts and even a few in the 1990 offensive weapons act that says possession of an article/firearm/weapon in public without just cause or reasonable excuse is an offence and the prosecutor does not need to show intent only that people were alarmed and felt threatened/intimidated.

Also it's just asking for trouble.

In America where they have a 2nd amendment and some states have open carry laws people have tried to push this Right to the limit and have been arrested and even shot for it. So doing it in a country where the gun laws are tighter than a Frog's ass is never going to be acceptable. Condition on your license or not.

TeaBagMania · 13-08-2019 3:43pm

I dont even open carry in the states because as you said you're really just asking for trouble.

Guaranteed you will cross paths with an anti firearm leftest loonie who will taunt or berate you for it

oldgit1897 · 13-08-2019 3:51pm

TeaBagMania wrote: »

I dont even open carry in the states because as you said you're really just asking for trouble.

Guaranteed you will cross paths with an anti firearm leftest loonie who will taunt or berate you for it

Very brave, or foolhardy thing to do in America.

Cass · 13-08-2019 3:53pm

I've watched videos on Youtube, not sure if its a channel or just random videos, where lads that call themselves "2nd Amendment Checkers" go around their own states with firearms openly carried. It's legal and above board, but it doesn't even take a leftist loony to draw attention. The cops don't appreciate this.

I've seen lads that support the police arguing against the cops actions of stopping these people. It seems contradictory to support the police then lambast them for stopping someone exercising their Right.

There was one particular video where two guys carrying semi autos on their back, and side arms, entered a cop shop to "check the station" for 2nd amendment violations. They were greeted by multiple officers all with their firearms drawn and bellowing commands to get down and drop the guns. To me this is just excessive. They were arrested, charged and convicted and lost their appeal. So even with open carry and 2nd amendment rights they were still charged.

The pigeon man · 13-08-2019 3:58pm

Cass wrote: »

Eh, no.

There are multiple parts of ALL the firearm Acts and even a few in the 1990 offensive weapons act that says possession of an article/firearm/weapon in public without just cause or reasonable excuse is an offence and the prosecutor does not need to show intent only that people were alarmed and felt threatened/intimidated.

Also it's just asking for trouble.

In America where they have a 2nd amendment and some states have open carry laws people have tried to push this Right to the limit and have been arrested and even shot for it. So doing it in a country where the gun laws are tighter than a Frog's ass is never going to be acceptable. Condition on your license or not.

Apologies for the lack of clarity. I'm taking about carrying it in a sensible manner down a country road when walking or cycling to your next permission.

Does it have to be covered in such a case?

Cass · 13-08-2019 4:03pm

Its not always practiced and before this SI there was a common sense approach to how to do it.

If you are, as you say, walking a short distance to you other permission then most lads wouldn't bother casing it, but would have it broken or made safe and "covered" by your side. Some others would have a soft case and put it in the case even for short trips.

This SI addresses what to do when transporting it, but transporting by its definition means using a vehicle, aircraft, ship, etc.

This is yet another reason why i say this SI is unworkable.

The best approach is to have a soft case, possibly the one you use to cover the firearm on the initial trip to the permission(s), and use it between permissions. Or stay on your permission and if they border each other stay off the public roads.

BattleCorp · 13-08-2019 4:07pm

I'd apply this logic. When going from field to field with the gun across ditches/gates etc., I wouldn't bother casing it but if I was going on the public road between fields, then yes, I'd case it.

grassroot1 · 13-08-2019 4:15pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

I'd apply this logic. When going from field to field with the gun across ditches/gates etc., I wouldn't bother casing it but if I was going on the public road between fields, then yes, I'd case it.

Well I wont argue the law with you but I for one will not be bringing a gunslip with me when I am going for a shot on Sunday afternoons.
I will be engaging in my lawful sport as I have done for nearly 30 years without any issue. If a garda wants to summons me for walking up the road from my farm to the house then I will have to deal with that if it occurs

BattleCorp · 13-08-2019 4:18pm

grassroot1 wrote: »

Well I wont argue the law with you but I for one will not be bringing a gunslip with me when I am going for a shot on Sunday afternoons.
I will be engaging in my lawful sport as I have done for nearly 30 years without any issue. If a garda wants to summons me for walking up the road from my farm to the house then I will have to deal with that if it occurs

Quiet rural road, 99% guaranteed no problem.

Through a well populated urban area, then 99% guaranteed a problem.

grassroot1 · 13-08-2019 5:07pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

Quiet rural road, 99% guaranteed no problem.

Through a well populated urban area, then 99% guaranteed a problem.

I am pig headed not stupid ::D

but yes show commonsense and there should be no issues

Grizzly 45 · 13-08-2019 8:50pm

oldgit1897 wrote: »

Very brave, or foolhardy thing to do in America.

Yup..I enjoyed open carry in AZ.No ne ever batted an eye about it going into shopping centres,before the "Free FIRE with no return fire ever" zones...AKA GUN FREE ZONE idiocy started. Funny to read what some of the keyboard warrior antis claim they would do if they saw open carry.Mace the carrier and take their gun and arrest them.No youu wouldnt,as that is a unprovoked attack on that person,and they could respond with deadly force on your idiot ass.
The most annoying for the anyis is,that it has been introduced in Florida over 25 years ago,it has worked!!

Even this week,some idiot got into his kevelar and tooled up with an AR 15 and decided he was going to see would WAL MART "respect" his open carry rights. He was arrested at gunpoint by an off duty fireman with a concealed carry permit.Utter plonker , he could have just stucj on his pistol in a belt holster and found out the same effect instead of kitting up like he was on the next chopper to some firebase in Iraq.:rolleyes:

oldgit1897 · 13-08-2019 9:12pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Yup..I enjoyed open carry in AZ.No ne ever batted an eye about it going into shopping centres,before the "Free FIRE with no return fire ever" zones...AKA GUN FREE ZONE idiocy started. Funny to read what some of the keyboard warrior antis claim they would do if they saw open carry.Mace the carrier and take their gun and arrest them.No youu wouldnt,as that is a unprovoked attack on that person,and they could respond with deadly force on your idiot ass.
The most annoying for the anyis is,that it has been introduced in Florida over 25 years ago,it has worked!!

Even this week,some idiot got into his kevelar and tooled up with an AR 15 and decided he was going to see would WAL MART "respect" his open carry rights. He was arrested at gunpoint by an off duty fireman with a concealed carry permit.Utter plonker , he could have just stucj on his pistol in a belt holster and found out the same effect instead of kitting up like he was on the next chopper to some firebase in Iraq.:rolleyes:

Yeah, some Americans seem to have very good attitudes and common sense with firearms, then you get the fundamentalists..............

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