2019 All Ireland Senior Football Championship Mod note: Post #1

gormdubhgorm · 11-08-2019 12:44pm

beggars_bush wrote: »

Hurling people knew that Kilkenny dominance wouldn't last
They didn't have the quality coming through from U21 and minor

Sure doesn't everyone know Cork and Kerry are going to dominate football for the next decade?

All them Kerry minors, Cork u20's etc?

threeball · 11-08-2019 1:28pm

CiarraiAbu2 wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/the-kieran-shannon-interview-the-real-jackanory-behind-dublins-perfect-storm-942964.html

Good read

Surprise surprise, every advantage that Dublin supporters deny they have their own GDOs say otherwise.

C__MC · 11-08-2019 1:30pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Sure doesn't everyone know Cork and Kerry are going to dominate football for the next decade?

All them Kerry minors, Cork u20's etc?

Very hard to know re cork
Very good underage pedigree in last decade as well, they gave us nothing this decade in terms of senior success
Hurling is the big thing and commitment are problems

SophieLockhart · 11-08-2019 1:32pm

fergus1001 wrote: »

not disputing that dublin are a great team they are but it's the fact that the competitiveness of the championship has gone out the window

and I was beating the same drum a few years ago when kilkenny were so dominant in the hurling

wtf?? Kilkenny have a smaller population than most.

rossie1977 · 11-08-2019 1:48pm

Step up is going to be tougher at U20 level compared to U21 in the past and you don't really know how good Cork are because had this been old U21 format Kerry would have had Clifford, O'Shea, O'Connor etc playing in this years Munster. Any player with an inkling of potential at start of year will be on senior panel instead of U20.

fergus1001 · 11-08-2019 1:53pm

SophieLockhart wrote:

wtf?? Kilkenny have a smaller population than most.

where in my post did I mention population re: kilkenny ?

I am talking about skill gaps

Prestonites · 11-08-2019 2:10pm

Population is a null and void argument for success. It boils down to the coaching and you can't beat the coaching around Munster.

Chalk McHugh · 11-08-2019 2:22pm

Kerry going for 6 All Ireland minors in a row i think. Looking good here v Galway. Hard not to see another Kerry senior era of dominance in the next while.

Fann Linn · 11-08-2019 2:24pm

Thought the Specsavers 20/20 palaver was a bit ott yesterday.

Prestonites · 11-08-2019 2:24pm

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Kerry going for 6 All Ireland minors in a row i think. Looking good here v Galway. Hard not to see another Kerry senior era of dominance in the next while.

That means nothing, unless the integration is good it won't matter how good they were underage.

Chalk McHugh · 11-08-2019 2:27pm

Prestonites wrote: »

That means nothing, unless the integration is good it won't matter how good they were underage.

All that quality coming through married with Kerry's rich traditiion and winning culture is a very dangerous mix for the rest of us. I can see Kerry winning 3 or 4 All Irelands in the next decade.

Prestonites · 11-08-2019 2:30pm

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Prestonites wrote: »

That means nothing, unless the integration is good it won't matter how good they were underage.

All that quality coming through married with Kerry's rich traditiion and winning culture is a very dangerous mix for the rest of us. I can see Kerry winning 3 or 4 All Irelands in the next decade.

I think they are a few years off winning an all Ireland yet. They are a constant there or thereabouts but I feel they are still a way off. I think Tyrone by a handful today.

11-08-2019 2:30pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Why so.

Because I want to see my county win, and its better when they win well. Everyone does. Anybody who says otherwise is only codding themselves.

Yeah, closely fought contests can be more exciting sometimes. But that 10 mins after HT yesterday was breathtaking. Watching this team when they click is something else. I'd like to see that for 50+ minutes, to see how long they could actually keep it up for.

As for Kerry, it would be poetic to beat them in the final to clinch the 5 in a row. Plus, we owe them a hiding. The QF in 2009 still rankles.

Powerhouse · 11-08-2019 2:31pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

Exactly.

I remember being at 2009 final and chap sitting beside me - who was not from Tipp - spend practically whole match ranting about Kilkenny being the "Tyrone of hurling."
Some people just can't abide excellence as it reflects badly on their own lack of worth.

This is a little bit over-the-top Freudian is it not? Sometimes people just have opinions without them reflecting their self-worth either way? Like if I say I don't think Roger Federer (even though he is excellent) is as good as Novak Djokovic can it not be just an opinion?

The argument could be posited the other way too - that swooning over success is just small-mickey compensation. I wouldn't have a whole lot of time for that either. Balance I think is better.

rossie1977 · 11-08-2019 2:33pm

Prestonites wrote: »

That means nothing, unless the integration is good it won't matter how good they were underage.

I think size is more important at minor. If you look at the players who have transitioned with ease from minor last decade ie Aidan O'Shea, Cillian O'Connor, Paddy McBrearty, David Clifford, Ciaran Kilkenny, Paul Conroy their size and physicality was completely different level to the average minor players.

Chalk McHugh · 11-08-2019 2:34pm

Prestonites wrote: »

I think they are a few years off winning an all Ireland yet. They are a constant there or thereabouts but I feel they are still a way off. I think Tyrone by a handful today.

Thats why i said 3 or 4 All Irelands in next decade. They are on the right road for another successful era. No doubt im my mind. Could be this year but if not its just around the corner.

Strabanimal · 11-08-2019 2:35pm

I just feel we can beat Dublin in the final. At least I can understand why neutrals will be supporting Kerry today. Rather than last year when neutrals just supported every team playing Tyrone out of spite.

LoughNeagh2017 · 11-08-2019 2:37pm

It is a "dead rubber" game today but I will support Kerry though I suppose I could lend my support to any Lough Neagh shore players, I don't know if Tyrone have any Ardboe or Moortown players, I do admire Ardboes rich culture I admit, there is an ancient monastery there dating from the Airgialla kingdom times.

Prestonites · 11-08-2019 2:37pm

rossie1977 wrote: »

Prestonites wrote: »

That means nothing, unless the integration is good it won't matter how good they were underage.

I think size is more important at minor. If you look at the players who have transitioned with ease from minor last decade ie Aidan O'Shea, Cillian O'Connor, Paddy McBrearty, David Clifford, Ciaran Kilkenny, Paul Conroy their size and physicality was completely different level to the average minor players.

Ciaran Kilkenny wasn't particularly big at Minor he took a bit of a stretch. But I get what your saying, the ability to handle the pressure and the expectancy at elite level. Stepping up for a minor in Tier 3,4 is fine and can be quite fluid, not so much for Tier 1s

Prestonites · 11-08-2019 2:39pm

Strabanimal wrote: »

I just feel we can beat Dublin in the final. At least I can understand why neutrals will be supporting Kerry today. Rather than last year when neutrals just supported every team playing Tyrone out of spite.

Out of spite? Give your head a shake. Tyrone will be handed their holes like last year in 2nd gear again.

dog_pig · 11-08-2019 2:41pm

Strabanimal wrote: »

I just feel we can beat Dublin in the final. At least I can understand why neutrals will be supporting Kerry today. Rather than last year when neutrals just supported every team playing Tyrone out of spite.

It's been about 10 years now since Tyrone's last win against good non-Ulster opposition in knockout Croke Park. Just beating Kerry would be huge for Tyrone, never mind a prospective final.

rossie1977 · 11-08-2019 2:43pm

Neither of these teams want to win. Terrible wides in last 5 minutes

C__MC · 11-08-2019 2:45pm

Minors should still be under 18
Some awful errors here, only children

Strabanimal · 11-08-2019 2:46pm

dog_pig wrote: »

It's been about 10 years now since Tyrone's last win against good non-Ulster opposition in knockout Croke Park. Just beating Kerry would be huge for Tyrone, never mind a prospective final.

Why limit it to non-Ulster? Donegal and Monaghan have been 3rd and 4th during that 10 year period when we beat them.

It's not our fault Kerry are back to one of the top teams now.

Chalk McHugh · 11-08-2019 2:47pm

Good minor game. Kerry finally suffer defeat after years of dominance. Well done Galway.

rossie1977 · 11-08-2019 2:49pm

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Good minor game. Kerry finally suffer defeat after years of dominance. Well done Galway.

Technically Kerry lost at under 17 level in 2017

https://www.the42.ie/roscommon-beat-kerry-u17-football-semi-final-score-3543318-Aug2017/

But yeah well done Galway, their midfielders are both impressive

funkey_monkey · 11-08-2019 2:51pm

Pat looks as if he's done 70 minutes himself! Sweat lashing off him

11-08-2019 2:53pm

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Good minor game. Kerry finally suffer defeat after years of dominance. Well done Galway.

Split them in two

BonnieSituation · 11-08-2019 2:54pm

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Pat looks as if he's done 70 minutes himself! Sweat lashing off him

Watching on Sky. I'll be tempted to switch at HT if Tyrone are ahead.

It's like switching to BBC/ITV when the Tans lose in soccer.

Strabanimal · 11-08-2019 3:00pm

Rte going in hard on Kerry. Tyrone the best team of the 00s

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