Formula 1 2019 - General Discussion Thread

Cork Trucker · 05-08-2019 06:15PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Kubica's mirror fell off for a 4th time this season mid-race yesterday, Russell lost his once in Spain.

Why arent the FIA calling Williams on this? Is it not considered dangerous if a driver has only one mirror like they cant see cars behind them then there would be a blind spot?

And why the hell cant Williams properly attach the mirror in the first place.

Was Spain not where Russell raced in Kubica's chassis?

El_Duderino 09 · 05-08-2019 06:23PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Kubica's mirror fell off for a 4th time this season mid-race yesterday, Russell lost his once in Spain.

Why arent the FIA calling Williams on this? Is it not considered dangerous if a driver has only one mirror like they cant see cars behind them then there would be a blind spot?

And why the hell cant Williams properly attach the mirror in the first place.

Kubica never has anyone behind him but he's lapped so many times he should have 3 mirrors.

El_Duderino 09 · 05-08-2019 06:24PM

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Was Spain not where Russell raced in Kubica's chassis?

I think so. But did they ever swap back or did they just determine there was no difference so they didn't swap back?

Cork Trucker · 05-08-2019 06:26PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I think so. But did they ever swap back or did they just determine there was no difference so they didn't swap back?

Yeah they swapped back for the following race AFAIK, if that's accurate then the same car has been affected 5 times.

Cork Trucker · 05-08-2019 06:28PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Kubica never has anyone behind him but he's lapped so many times he should have 3 mirrors.

If Kubica's "buddy" had his way there'd have been no mirrors at all, good oul JV

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/motorsport/villeneuve-wants-wing-mirrors-out-of-f1-20030826-gdhafj.html

El_Duderino 09 · 05-08-2019 06:30PM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.motorsport.com/f1/news/russell-kubica-williams-chassis-swap/4385285/amp/

According to this article, kubica was dur to get a new chassis in Spain. Then Russell had the crash the previous race in loving a loose manhole Cover which damaged his chassis. So he used the grand new chassis in Baku and kubica uses it from then on.

pjohnson · 05-08-2019 06:33PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Kubica never has anyone behind him but he's lapped so many times he should have 3 mirrors.

Predictable :pac:

Bants aside is this not a problem if the team still cant build a bloody car?

pjohnson · 05-08-2019 06:36PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.motorsport.com/f1/news/russell-kubica-williams-chassis-swap/4385285/amp/

According to this article, kubica was dur to get a new chassis in Spain. Then Russell had the crash the previous race in loving a loose manhole Cover which damaged his chassis. So he used the grand new chassis in Baku and kubica uses it from then on.

Both Williams have had major upgrades since Germany so basically both are new by now completely revised covers. They just cant seem to assemble the blooming things which I would have thought would be a pretty basic requirement?

Cork Trucker · 05-08-2019 06:41PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Both Williams have had major upgrades since Germany so basically both are new by now completely revised covers. They just cant seem to assemble the blooming things which I would have thought would be a pretty basic requirement?

Don't the FIA do scrutineering at every race? LeClerc's car was checked over by the FIA at the weekend after his qualifying accident, surely the Williams are checked as well.

El_Duderino 09 · 05-08-2019 06:46PM

Cork Trucker wrote: »

If Kubica's "buddy" had his way there'd have been no mirrors at all, good oul JV

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/motorsport/villeneuve-wants-wing-mirrors-out-of-f1-20030826-gdhafj.html

He's quite a character. I always thought he just said mad stuff to stay relevant. But Joe Saward says he just has a different outlook and says it as he sees it.

Can you imagine the chaos without mirrors? Might spice things up though.

Harika · 05-08-2019 07:14PM

Honda needs to be given credit as both Red Bull and TR are progressing. McLaren progressing with both drivers and Renault going backwards. And if you think Bottas is damaged, he clearly improved but to challenge Hamilton who is one of the best drivers of the last decade is a bit crazy. If RedBull sorts the second drivers or Ferrari gets his things together I only see Verstappen or Alonso to be a match for him.

Rumour is also that Ricciardo is on the way back to RedBull. #SillySeason

##Edited

chicorytip · 05-08-2019 07:15PM

vectra wrote:

Kimi is on a 2 year contract and as said above, if outshining what Charles did last year. What makes you think it was down to last years car and this years car? Have you not noticed the difference in midfield teams in both years?

Yes. McLaren and Toro Rosso are improving, Haas, Alfa and Racing Point are going backwards and Renault are static.

Top Dog · 05-08-2019 10:02PM

Harika wrote: »

If RedBull sorts the second drivers or Ferrari gets his things together I only see Verstappen or Alonso to be a match for him.

Rumour is also that Ricciardo is on the way back to RedBull. #SillySeason

##Edited

Ummm (bolded bit) ... :pac::pac::pac:

Rossi IRL · 05-08-2019 10:43PM

Harika wrote: »

Rumour is also that Ricciardo is on the way back to RedBull. #SillySeason

I would pay to see that

recyclebin · 05-08-2019 11:26PM

I'd say Ricciardo has a get out of jail free clause in his contract if a Ferrari or Mercedes seat became available. It wouldn't be the worst decision to go back to Red Bull next season either.

Cork Trucker · 05-08-2019 11:56PM

recyclebin wrote: »

I'd say Ricciardo has a get out of jail free clause in his contract if a Ferrari or Mercedes seat became available. It wouldn't be the worst decision to go back to Red Bull next season either.

Such a clause does exist

Cork Trucker · 06-08-2019 12:00AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

He's quite a character. I always thought he just said mad stuff to stay relevant. But Joe Saward says he just has a different outlook and says it as he sees it.

Can you imagine the chaos without mirrors? Might spice things up though.

Villeneuve was never a likable character in a similar fashion to the way Alonso carried on like a spoilt child. JV must have been a bad influence in Alonso during their brief spell as teammates.

The mirrors thing would interest me if I’m honest. A few collisions every now and again helps make the spectacle more interesting

pyramuid man · 06-08-2019 12:07AM

I know Romain Grosjean has had his fair share of chances in F1 but to say he is in trouble is a bit of a stretch of you ask me. K Mag is more likely to get the boot if you ask me. He is constantly complaining and underperforming. He is being very vocal publicly about how he doesn't like the car and I think he is not bring any way constructive.

Grosjean on the other hand has been relatively positive about the car and has come with a solution of running the Australia spec car now. And he does seem to have sorted his head out after his skimp last year.

El_Duderino 09 · 06-08-2019 12:15AM

pyramuid man wrote: »

I know Romain Grosjean has had his fair share of chances in F1 but to say he is in trouble is a bit of a stretch of you ask me. K Mag is more likely to get the boot if you ask me. He is constantly complaining and underperforming. He is being very vocal publicly about how he doesn't like the car and I think he is not bring any way constructive.

Grosjean on the other hand has been relatively positive about the car and has come with a solution of running the Australia spec car now. And he does seem to have sorted his head out after his skimp last year.

K-mag has 18 points. Ro-gro has 8.

Groajean seems like a driver who will never be consistently good. I would start looking around for a new driver if I were haas

Harika · 06-08-2019 05:56AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

K-mag has 18 points. Ro-gro has 8.

Groajean seems like a driver who will never be consistently good. I would start looking around for a new driver if I were haas

Rumor is they have their eyes on Ocon

vectra · 06-08-2019 09:20AM

chicorytip wrote: »

Kimi is doing just about enough which is what he's been doing for the past six seasons. Leclerc had more points at the same stage last year in an inferior car. Giovinazzi is Ferrari's man and they are hoping he'll come good and lead the team when Raikkonen finishes which could be this year.

vectra wrote: »

Kimi is on a 2 year contract and as said above, if outshining what Charles did last year.
What makes you think it was down to last years car and this years car?
Have you not noticed the difference in midfield teams in both years?

chicorytip wrote: »

Yes. McLaren and Toro Rosso are improving, Haas, Alfa and Racing Point are going backwards and Renault are static.

Are you contradicting your first comment then?
Kimi is doing worse than Charles last year, then you say Alfa is going backwards, Yet Kimi has more points than Charles had this time last year.
How do you reckon he is "just about doing enough"?
Only for him, how many points would Alfa have now?

pjohnson · 06-08-2019 09:31AM

pyramuid man wrote: »

I know Romain Grosjean has had his fair share of chances in F1 but to say he is in trouble is a bit of a stretch of you ask me. K Mag is more likely to get the boot if you ask me. He is constantly complaining and underperforming. He is being very vocal publicly about how he doesn't like the car and I think he is not bring any way constructive.

Grosjean on the other hand has been relatively positive about the car and has come with a solution of running the Australia spec car now. And he does seem to have sorted his head out after his skimp last year.

Yep. His age is probably the only factor against him. If Magnussen stopped hitting him/forcing him off track he'd have done better this year aswell.

Grosjean did a similar solution to problems when he was at Lotus. He has wanted the Australia back spec since Barcelona but they only just gave it to him a few races ago. He seems extremely good at development side of things.

H3llR4iser · 06-08-2019 11:23AM

chicorytip wrote: »

Yes. McLaren and Toro Rosso are improving, Haas, Alfa and Racing Point are going backwards and Renault are static.

The result in Germany plus the penalty for both Alfa drivers has skewed up the constructor's table quite a bit and it doesn't really reflect the pecking order; More than 50% (23 out of 43) of Toro Rosso's points came out from Hockenheim; to a lesser extent, Racing Point and Haas also scored big there.

This obviously happens because it's really, really close in the midfield - one wacky race and you have a team which consistently put at least one car in Q3 fall into 9th place behind one which consistently failed to get at least one car out of Q1.

McLaren, on the other hand, are moving ahead of the midfield - they've been extremely consistent since France. The problem is that they're not really closing in on the top 3.

chicorytip · 06-08-2019 11:37AM

H3llR4iser wrote:

McLaren, on the other hand, are moving ahead of the midfield - they've been extremely consistent since France. The problem is that they're not really closing in on the top 3.

Given the resources at McLaren you would expect them to be at least performing at their current level. Haas are minnows in comparison.

meeeeh · 06-08-2019 11:47AM

H3llR4iser wrote: »

McLaren, on the other hand, are moving ahead of the midfield - they've been extremely consistent since France. The problem is that they're not really closing in on the top 3.

McLaren are paying for their own arrogance. They blamed Honda for everything and made themselves irrelevant instead of looking how to cooperate. I hope they stagnate around midfield with their great Renault engines for long time.

Anyway a race in Saudi Arabia is on the horizon which is pretty despicable and not the direction F1 should go. While I don't overly want sport to take political stand it does seem F1 is just becoming a vehicle to legitimize any crack pot dictatorship willing to pay enough to host the race.

Harika · 06-08-2019 12:39PM

meeeeh wrote: »

McLaren are paying for their own arrogance. They blamed Honda for everything and made themselves irrelevant instead of looking how to cooperate. I hope they stagnate around midfield with their great Renault engines for long time.

Even if Honda had a bad start, McLaren soon started the blame game instead of working hard to get everything together. Like having no sponsors and then whinging and whining was not helpful.
RedBull and TR are now profiting massively as they don't have to pay for engines and get some pocket money with it.

H3llR4iser · 06-08-2019 01:00PM

meeeeh wrote: »

McLaren are paying for their own arrogance. They blamed Honda for everything and made themselves irrelevant instead of looking how to cooperate. I hope they stagnate around midfield with their great Renault engines for long time.

Anyway a race in Saudi Arabia is on the horizon which is pretty despicable and not the direction F1 should go. While I don't overly want sport to take political stand it does seem F1 is just becoming a vehicle to legitimize any crack pot dictatorship willing to pay enough to host the race.

Sure they did, it was very clear their chassis wasn't "the best on the grid" and just held back by the Honda engine, as they claimed; It is also fair to say that Honda were absolutely hopeless at the beginning of their cooperation in 2015 and the hyper-proud Japanese mentality of not admitting their concept was wrong and needed an U-turn in terms of management and design didn't help at all. It was the classic case where everyone from the public to the parties involved expected the simple existence of the "McLaren-Honda" moniker to bring back the glory of the late '80s.

In reality it was always going to be a long-term task that needed patience on the side of McLaren and cooperation on that of Honda and neither conducted themselves in a constructive fashion.

meeeeh · 06-08-2019 01:11PM

Probably not but weren't Honda surprised how much information and feedback Red Bull gave them in comparison to McLaren. I think Red Bull learned from the mistakes they made with Renault.

Cork Trucker · 06-08-2019 01:15PM

People seem to forget that Honda stated that they were not ready to return in 2015 but did so after pressure was applied by Ron Dennis and McLaren. They preferred a 2016 return as the technology regarding the engine had changed so much from the naturally aspirated version they had last used in 2008 to the Hybrid Turbo’s currently in use and didn’t have enough time to test it seems. And to be fair Honda were right in wanting to delay by 1 year. I doubt Mercedes would have supplied engines for 1 more year in 2015 as Lotus took the McLaren engine supply then. The McLaren-Honda negotiations prior to the reformation of the partnership is where it all started to go wrong

AMKC · 06-08-2019 09:00PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I'd say you're right. The Honda has come up to scratch. It's at least as good as the Renault and reliable too. Considering that the engine is as good, it was really u likely that Renault car would be as good as red bull - and it isn't even close is speed, let alone reliability.

His move away from red bull was a calculated on the fact that red bull would favour Max so he would never win a WC at Red bull. Merc and ferrari both have development drivers coming through. So he had few options: stay and fight against max and red bull, go to mclaren, go to Renault (who are paying him around $10 a year). He chose Renault which had a low chance of making him WC but probably higher than his chances of winning than at RB because they would treat him as no2 to max.

go to mclaren,

That's the choice Riccardo should have made but he took a gamble on Renault and it is not good so far.
Would have been interesting go have Riccardo and Lando Norris as team mates at Mclaren. I would say he would have been happier there too.

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